Islam the Religion of Peace? I don't think so...

reply to post by Murgatroid


Christian Claims about Ahmed Deedat's Death and Stroke

It has come to my attention that a group of corrupt Christians on the internet are focussing their hateful and deceitful propaganda on Sheikh Ahmed Deedat.

Ahmed Deedat, for those of you who do not know, was a self learned scholar of comparative religion and a debater for Islam who resided in South Africa. Yes, he was a Muslim who was familiar with Christianity and thus debated many Christians and proved to be highly successful in his ministry to Christians, so much so that he gained approbation, love and friendship all over the world from both Muslims and non-Muslims.

His charismatic oratory skills were gripping and perhaps he would be remembered best for coupling these oratory skills (and charisma) with piercing and coherent arguments.

He has of course passed away (in 2005) but it does appear as though a smear campaign against Deedat has begun on the internet. I do feel this smear campaign must be addressed as the perpetrators are looking to poison the well of discussion.

Deedat, before his death, had a stroke and was paralysed to the extent that he could not speak and communicated using his eyelids. This was seen, by the Muslims, as a test from Allah. Indeed Deedat had accomplished so much prior to this but continued in his work even whilst paralysed.

The reason why I mention this is due to this small group of Christians on the internet making deceptive claims about Deedat.

Their first claim is that Deedat prayed to God to mute whoever was wrong and a liar after his debate with the Christian evangelist named Anis Shorrosh. There is no evidence for this claim despite all the Deedat-Shorrosh debate being documented on video. So this claim is dismissed as a lie.

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Its funny
this thread is about Islam
All you do is bringing up bible and Christian stuff but offer no rebuttal for the contradictory nature of the Qumran. I am sure there are some Christian threads that are in need of your expertise. What we have here is the Qumran that offers all the information necessary to prove that Mohammed is an outright fraud, yet all you can offer in response are Biblical falsehoods. I guess you do not have any defense for the Qumran. Please keep going with the Christian stuff you only show how correct I am.
Mohammed was speaking to Satan.

Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22
Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division.
أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى
وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى
تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢‏

#2 Filth contains in the bible....

BASTARD:This word occurs in the Bible THREE times (a) “The BASTARD shall not enter the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation . . . DEUTERONOMY 23:2 (b) “And a BASTARD shall dwell in Ashdod . .ZECHARIAH 9:6 (c) “But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then ye are BASTARDS and not sons. ” HERREWS 12:8

reply to post by iIuminaIi

Christian imposters
Again quotes from the Holy Bible
You offer no defense of the Qumran that
Is telling us Mohammed is communicating with Satan
And talking about pagan deities

Mohammed was speaking to Satan.

Sura an-Najm (Star) 53:19-22
Now tell me about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,
The third one, another goddess.
What! For you the males and for him the females!
That indeed is an unfair division.
أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى
وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى
أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى
تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى. سورة النجم - سورة ‏٥٣: ١٩-٢٢‏

You must not know anything about which you speak

reply to post by redneck13


#3 Filth Contains in the bible....

AIDS AND HOMOSEXUALITY: The Holy Bible gives the cause of this cancer and blight: ” Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. Romans 1:22-27

reply to post by redneck13


lame attempt to make a point by confusing the readers

Al-lat, Al-Uzza and Al-Manat were 3 of the main "goddesses" which the pagan people were worshipping in the time of Prophet Muhammad and they claimed that these were the daughters of Allah.

So anyway despite this claim which they were making about daughters, when they had a daughter themselves they felt their honour had been affected, like it mentions in quran there face would go dark as if they have been given such a bad news. It was common in that time for them to bury their baby girls alive because they felt that negatively about them..

so the point here is that look @ the stupidity of what you are doing, you assign daughters to Allah yet you feel ashamed your selves in having daughters. And to show that these 3 "goddesses" are nothing, there is no legitimacy to worshipping those or to worship anything other than Allah alone.

Allah The Moon God Myth? Satanic Verses, 3 Daughters

reply to post by iIuminaIi


Worship Allah alone?
What about the Kaaba stone
Is the Kaaba stone Allah
Or is the Kaaba stone and idol?

reply to post by redneck13



Allah The Moon God Myth? Satanic Verses, 3 Daughters ?

Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by iIuminaIi

 

Worship Allah alone?
What about the Kaaba stone
Is the Kaaba stone Allah
Or is the Kaaba stone and idol?

The verses are seen as problematic to many Muslims as they are "profoundly heretical because, by allowing for the intercession of the three pagan female deities, they eroded the authority and omnipotence of Allah. But they also hold... damaging implications in regard to the revelation as a whole, for Muhammad’s revelation appears to have been based on his desire to soften the threat to the deities of the people."[13] Different responses have developed concerning the account.

[edit] Non-Muslim scholars' views

Since William Muir the historicity of this episode has been largely accepted by orientalists.[14] William Montgomery Watt and Alfred Guillaume claim that stories of the event were true based upon the implausibility of Muslims fabricating a story so unflattering to their prophet: "Muhammad must have publicly recited the satanic verses as part of the Qur'ān; it is unthinkable that the story could have been invented by Muslims, or foisted upon them by non-Muslims."[15] This argument resembles the criterion of embarrassment, an analytical tool used in assessing the historicity of Biblical accounts of Jesus, which holds that material that would seem to be "embarrassing" to scriptural figures such as Jesus but is nevertheless included in the canon is likely to be true
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Another Former Christian Embraces Islam

There is more than enough evidence in the Quran to prove Mohammed was a fraud
It is a shame that he has led his followers into believing they worship the All Mighty
Through trickery, Mohammed has his followers worshipping Satan via the Moon God Allah


www.bible.ca...

Hubal and Allah the Moon God?

Islam: Truth or Myth? start page
Introduction to basic facts of history:

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.
Hubal the moon god of the Kabah

Allah the moon god of the Kabah

Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran

Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah

Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship

Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today.

The Bible condemns moon god worship

Originally posted by redneck13


There is more than enough evidence in the Quran to prove Mohammed was a fraud
It is a shame that he has led his followers into believing they worship the All Mighty
Through trickery, Mohammed has his followers worshipping Satan via the Moon God Allah


www.bible.ca...

Hubal and Allah the Moon God?

Islam: Truth or Myth? start page
Introduction to basic facts of history:

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:
About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.
Hubal the moon god of the Kabah

Allah the moon god of the Kabah

Remnants of pagan Moon god worship in the Koran

Pre-Islamic Origin of the word Allah

Photogallery of the ancient history of Moon god worship

Modern usage of moon god symbols in Islam today.

The Bible condemns moon god worship

Coming from bible website? yeah , very convincing

Allah in the Christian Bible

The Rev. C. I. Scofield, D. D. with a team of 8 Consulting Editors, also all D.D.’s in the "Scofield Reference Bible" thought it appropriate to spell the Hebrew word "Elah" (meaning God) alternatively as "Alah" The Christians had thus swallowed the camel — they seemed to have accepted at last that the name of God is Allah — but were still straining at the gnat by spelling Allah with one "L"! . The subsequent "Scofield Reference Bible" has retained word for word the whole commentary of Genesis 1:1, but has, by a clever sleight-of-hand, blotted out the word "Alah" altogether. There is not even a gap where the word "Alah" once used to be. This is in the Bible of the orthodox! One is hard pressed to keep up with their Jugglery.

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Passion of the Christ (PBUH) mentions about Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as Mentioned in the Bible !

Many elements of pagan worship that Muhammad grafted directly into Islam virtually unchanged.

Arab Pagan worship 500-610 AD
The Kabah was of pagan origin.
The Pilgrimage to Mecca
Praying 5 times a day
Crescent moon symbol
The Run
The Throw
The Black Stone
Holy Days: Friday & Fasting during Ramadan
Abstinence during Pilgrimage
Allah
Praising Allah

Originally posted by iIuminaIi
logic and illogical, an example of intelligence

edit on 8-6-2012 by iIuminaIi because: (no reason given)

But where in the bible's new testiament does it say to kill non believers?
I know it says to forgive your enemies and love your neighbor
I haven't seen any news where christians have sawed off heads or killed their family members lately as I have in the case of islamists.

This thread is about defending "peaceful islam" - not christians
We don't see christians killing people in the 'name of God' - 'allah akbar' -
not since the 13th century when catholics went amok anyway.
I agree with the topic title:
islam the religion of peace? I don't think so