Cops Kill 1 Person a week with Tasers! Video(s)

Video from RT and this is related - Cops Kill 1 Person A Week With Tasers; Latest Victim Is A Black Boy Tased To Death

A person a week! I know this is a 'non-lethal' device, and I do know that they do work, but the amount of deaths that occur from their use is unnaceptable. Check out this vid.. The cops just walk up and taser the dude.. 10 cops! I can't say what happened before the incident or why they were arresting him but it seems to me they easily could have subdued him with the amount of cops there (also, the people video-taping are obviously neighbours who have an issue and are making fun of him):



Thoughts?!

The device. can be fatal if used on a person with a heart condition.Yet,unbelievably,they call it a non-lethal weapon.

This device has a place in law enforcement. I would much rather see the cops use a tazer on a person with a knife are bat, are a large person fighting with a single officer, rather than them pulling a Glock 40 and blowing them away.
The problem comes in a case like this. I will admit that we have no back ground and do not know what transpired before the video started, but I never once heard get down are put your hands behind you are a request for any type of compliance.
Its not the tazers. Its the cops who use them. It has become the answer for any question other than shooting someone. Its not the weapon that needs to be changed. Cops should have to do all the paper work for tazings just as for shootings. This should include the same review board after the incident. Then maybe they would go back to talking to people first.

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Ah yes.. more dribble propoganda from Rarely Truthful tv.

Originally posted by AgentX09
The device. can be fatal if used on a person with a heart condition.Yet,unbelievably,they call it a non-lethal weapon.

Actually no it cannot.

A taser does not affect the heart. Its neuromuscular only.

Tazers are lethal weapons. PERIOD! Get A F*N CLUE! This is the military state and the slap down is coming.

III% has become 26% and another 42% backing with full support. Govt is gonna get hurt and when it happens, i'm just a stupid annalist. all the warning i give are dust in the wind. I turn my back and walk away. Good luck to all the dumb ass stupid #s who keep on keeping on.

The only non lethal electrical weapon is the stun gun. Period >.<

It works just fine and if a subject doesn't go down then there is a radio. It can all be handled humanely without batons and punches. Your seeing worthless piece of crap, # heads on youtube. I damn sure would give most of them the steel toe up the ass if i was there.

Originally posted by David134
This device has a place in law enforcement. I would much rather see the cops use a tazer on a person with a knife are bat, are a large person fighting with a single officer, rather than them pulling a Glock 40 and blowing them away.
The problem comes in a case like this. I will admit that we have no back ground and do not know what transpired before the video started, but I never once heard get down are put your hands behind you are a request for any type of compliance.
Its not the tazers. Its the cops who use them. It has become the answer for any question other than shooting someone. Its not the weapon that needs to be changed. Cops should have to do all the paper work for tazings just as for shootings. This should include the same review board after the incident. Then maybe they would go back to talking to people first.

Agreed, it is better than shooting people, and it seems that its kind of an easy way out for cops. Something needs to be done.. its way too many people getting killed from a nonlethal device!

Check out this horrible story:

Cops Taser Pregnant Woman 3 Times Over Driving Violation

Cops Fight Court Ban On Tasing Non-Voilent Pregnant Woman

Police Taser use on Pregnant Woman Goes Before Court

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by AgentX09
The device. can be fatal if used on a person with a heart condition.Yet,unbelievably,they call it a non-lethal weapon.

Actually no it cannot.

A taser does not affect the heart. Its neuromuscular only.

edit on 6-6-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

You are total bull# and lies.
No second line needed

Originally posted by Nspekta
Something needs to be done..

How about people complying wih verbal commands instead of fighting / resisting the police?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Ah yes.. more dribble propoganda from Rarely Truthful tv.

Thanks for your opinion

Originally posted by Nspekta

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Nspekta

 

Ah yes.. more dribble propoganda from Rarely Truthful tv.

Thanks for your opinion

Not trying to be an ass or anything... RT has a problem of ignoring key information to achieve the story they want.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Nspekta
Something needs to be done..

How about people complying wih verbal commands instead of fighting / resisting the police?

maybe you should watch the video in the post as a good example of a person NOT resisting and gets tased...
Maybe cops should follow what they learn in the academy, subduing a person peacefully and without injury. Tasers can be effective, but only if the situation requires it.. it should be used as an absolute LASTresult before lethal force (As for some people, it is LETHAL). The cases that keep coming up are unwarranted tasings by cops who see it as an easy way to subdue, regardless of the health issues surrounding the device

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Or maybe people could do some more leg work to find out ALL the facts first?

Student dies after police use Taser at University of Cincinnati - August 2011

Nothing like using an old story to push propoganda??

Officers rushed to Turner Hall at about 3 a.m. after receiving a 911 call about an assault. The dormitory is located on Jefferson Avenue near the intersection with West University Avenue.

As officers were trying to figure out what happened, Howard approached them outside the hall.

He appeared agitated, angry and had balled fists, UC Assistant Police Chief Jeff Corcoran said.

Officers ordered Howard to stop approaching them more than once, but he refused, Corcoran said.

Howard was stunned by one cycle of the Taser and subdued.

Following protocol, the officer checked his condition. Corcoran said Howard had a good pulse and was breathing, but officers said he appeared incoherent and seemed to have an "altered mental status."

The fire department and paramedics were called to examine Howard.

So no, he was not compliant and kept approaching when told many times to stop.

The coroner has not issued a cause of deah so once again RT is just making it up as they go along.

Police reports show what happened night 18-year-old UC student died

The problem is not that people die from being tased, but that officers use them rather than doing some old fashioned work.
Back in the olden days....
If you had a weapon, an officer had to shoot and kill you or else he might die, if you wanted to go fisticuffs, the officer might have to tumble a bit.
Nowadays, they tase everything physical and verbal confrontations.
So, tasers have "SAVED" lives, the problem that I have is it is the wrong lives.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
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Or maybe people could do some more leg work to find out ALL the facts first?

Student dies after police use Taser at University of Cincinnati - August 2011

Nothing like using an old story to push propoganda??

Officers rushed to Turner Hall at about 3 a.m. after receiving a 911 call about an assault. The dormitory is located on Jefferson Avenue near the intersection with West University Avenue.

As officers were trying to figure out what happened, Howard approached them outside the hall.

He appeared agitated, angry and had balled fists, UC Assistant Police Chief Jeff Corcoran said.

Officers ordered Howard to stop approaching them more than once, but he refused, Corcoran said.

Howard was stunned by one cycle of the Taser and subdued.

Following protocol, the officer checked his condition. Corcoran said Howard had a good pulse and was breathing, but officers said he appeared incoherent and seemed to have an "altered mental status."

The fire department and paramedics were called to examine Howard.

So no, he was not compliant and kept approaching when told many times to stop.

The coroner has not issued a cause of deah so once again RT is just making it up as they go along.

Police reports show what happened night 18-year-old UC student died

He didnt have a weapon, did he? I took the liberty of doing a quick google search of cop takedown traing,
*forwhatever reason my link just wouldnt work*
A quick google shows that there are many techniques that are taught to police officers that are meant to be used in just such a situation. They are TRAINED to deal with people like this, yet so many choose to just shoot the taser and ask questions later.

Seems that they are trained in takedowns, and thats what should happen... Tasers should be used as a last result.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by AgentX09
The device. can be fatal if used on a person with a heart condition.Yet,unbelievably,they call it a non-lethal weapon.

Actually no it cannot.

A taser does not affect the heart. Its neuromuscular only.

edit on 6-6-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Actually, it can. And has, enough that TASER International have changed their product warnings to reflect this.

TASER.com product warnings.

Physiologic or Metabolic Effects The ECD can produce physiologic or metabolic effects which include, but are not limited to, changes in: acidosis; adrenergic states; blood chemistry, blood pressure; calcium, creatine kinase (“CK”); electrolytes (including potassium); lactic acid; myoglobin; pH; respiration; heart rate, rhythm, capture; stress hormones or other biochemical neuromodulators (e.g., catecholamines). Therefore, reasonable efforts should be made to minimize the number of ECD exposures and resulting physiologic and metabolic effects. In human studies of electrical discharge from a single ECD of up to 15 seconds, the effects on acidosis, CK, electrolytes, stress hormones, and vital signs have been comparable to or less than changes expected from physical exertion similar to struggling, resistance, fighting, fleeing, or from the application of some other force tools or techniques. Adverse physiologic or metabolic effects may increase risk of death or serious injury.

It is a shame, but I would guess most deaths occur when an over zealous or "payback seeking" individual holds that trigger too long, or gets in an extra shock or two for good measure. Unfortunately, these are the individuals who make all the good cops look bad in the public eye. I long for the day when good cops hold these bullying cowards accountable. Maybe then we will see threads such as this die away.

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Excellent information, thank you for finding that!
So it can affect the heart among a multitude of other things! This is why it should be an absolute last resort weapon.

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Looks like the Coroner has basically ruled out everything except the taser shock regarding his death, he is waiting for a heart expert to come and aid him in the final findings. So, you can't say that the taser did or didn't kill him,,, yet. My bet is they find that he died due to the taser, and its sad cause the cops should have used their training to take him down peacefully. Its hard to dispute the facts:

CINCINNATI - The I-Team was the first to discover telling new details surrounding the death of Everette Howard, the 18-year-old student who died after a Taser was used on him on the University of Cincinnati's campus this past August.

9 News anchor Julie O'Neill, the first reporter to see the preliminary autopsy results, was granted an exclusive interview with Hamilton County's coroner to discuss them.

Hamilton County Coroner Dr. Anant Bhati is not ready to rule on a cause of death, but he appears to have ruled out everything but the Taser shock. He said the investigation is waiting on a report from a cardiology specialist he's brought in to give expert opinion.

"He was (Tasered) and after he was (Tasered) he collapsed and had a cardiac arrest," Bhati said.


Bhati said Howard was struck with a Taser twice in the chest area, one probe right over the area of the heart and the second probe in the area of the belly.

Bhati indicated the Taser darts struck right where Taser International has warned officers to avoid using a Taser on people because of the potential of affecting the heart.

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While I applaud the effort to do some research in police take down methods, you are missing the key factor that the determination on use of force is the officers decision to make based on the circumstances at hand.

Hindsight 20/20 is not allowed when reviewing a use of force. Its what the officer perceoved at the moment he used force, and that is the guideline the US Supreme Court established.. Secondly whats the departmental policy for that agency when it comes to use of taser compared to the policy of going hands on with an individual?

Simply doing a google search does not give you the information required to make an informed decision on this one incident.

Again there is no cause of death determined yet RT is already stating its from the Taser.. As I said they make it up as they go.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by AgentX09
The device. can be fatal if used on a person with a heart condition.Yet,unbelievably,they call it a non-lethal weapon.

Actually no it cannot.

A taser does not affect the heart. Its neuromuscular only.

edit on 6-6-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

and of course the heart is NOT a muscle
Nor does it have any nerves connected to it

why am i deja-vung to the statements made by police concerning the non lethality of the sleeper/choke-hold
which killed quite a few folks years ago?