I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

That part I actually knew. I'm kind of an obsessive, so I bought large brown glass bottles for storing it before I'd even made it the first time lol.

Current experiments:

Megadosing D3 (found great borrow-or-$3 kindle book on amazon re this that I'm currently reading)
DMSO blends with herbs
All-Cell Salts (scheussler homeopathic, note I'm normally biased against this kind of medicine but found a book on the face and visible deficiencies of these that was so fascinating I've fallen into it)
spectrum-aminos focus (specifically hydrolyzed or already-broken-down proteins)

I think the phospholipids in the lecithin are really noticeably good for me, totally aside from the ascorbic. Too bad they taste so utterly vile.

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I think the phospholipids in the lecithin are really noticeably good for me, totally aside from the ascorbic. Too bad they taste so utterly vile.

You want to know how I got around the tastse?

I've realized that we project and invent labels on top of reality, that inherently might not be that way. For example, My Grandmother, 81, takes this Lipo C religiously and never not once complained about the taste.

Whereas for me, it was not the best from the very get go.

But that's where the epiphany is. She is not bothered by it, but I was, and some others are. So who is right? Its relative.

So upon realizing this, my next dose, I with held all judgement and reaction, and found the taste to eventually take on a neutral taste that no longer bothers me. Its all in the mind!!!!!

Other than that, I'm well over a year and 3 months, haven't been sick not one time. Oh, and I visited a Cousin unannounced, who has 3 kids, the whole household sick with stomach virus, throwing up all day, and every single person who visited them that week, also got sick.
Guess who the one person who didn't get sick was? Yes, me!!!!!!

I swear by this stuff!!!! Miraculous.

And those people who it does not effect, very few, I believe they are already in optimal health

Julie Washington

What I found most interesting in the study is that oxygen degrades Vitamin quicker than anything. Oxygen is worse that heat.

So keep your Vitamin C in the Fridge sealed tight!

I think that the encapsulated fraction is safe from oxygen -- it's like little waxy sacks, each holding its Vitamin C payload vacuum sealed until the cell dissolves the sack. Since the effects are detectable by many of us, this should be experimentally verifiable - just leave some of it in an open jar for the last dose of the batch, then try it and see if it does its magic.

When on "its magic", the closest I can compare the feel from Liposomal Vitamin C (LVC) with is the dopamine & nor/epinephrine (adrenaline) rush from PEA. But unlike the latter which is fast, sharp and of short duration (5-10 minutes), the LVC sense of well-being has a much gentler onset, softer peak and much longer duration (several hours). Plus the LVC rush doesn't feel intoxicating, doesn't produce hangover or build tolerance after repeated use which are characteristics of PEA effects. Has anyone found some literature on how does LVC do it?

My intuitive interpretation of the sensation is as if the cells are enjoying it and signalling 'I love this' which brain translates into that pleasant gentle LVC rush at the conscious level, which then motivates the repeated use.

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I hope you are not a new " player " trying to shut down this thread.

Conspiracy theories abound !

Have you tried the protocol - personally ?

Timely
I hope you are not a new " player " trying to shut down this thread.

Conspiracy theories abound !

Have you tried the protocol - personally ?

I am just another explorer who made several batches so far and became a believer. I am also curious what is this well-being / energy effect experienced by me and others? How does it work?

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Good to hear of your positive experience with this.
Personally I have not experienced the 'euphoric' effect, yet I have not taken I'll either.

Maybe it excites endorphins in some people ?

Timely
Good to hear of your positive experience with this.
Personally I have not experienced the 'euphoric' effect, yet I have not taken I'll either.

Maybe you didn't reach the right level. I get the clearest well-being effect using 3-4 spoons in a half a glass of apple cider, first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, half an hour before breakfast. Within about 10 minutes I get a flood of pleasant sensations cascading down from the top of my head, spreading throughout the body. These gentle waves of well-being last for hours, like subtle aftershocks which I can sense only if I deliberately focus on my inner feedbacks.

Without paying conscious attention to myself, I can do my work without being distracted by these sensations. They serve only to color the the day in brighter hues so that even on a rainy, gray morning it feels like 'what a beautiful day we got today'.

Wow. Seriously, I want what you're having. ;-)

I feel significantly better when taking fairly big doses regularly but not really per-dose and not euphoric, just 'better.' I wonder how much effect the lecithin has versus the ascorbic for many. Guess there's no way to tease that factor apart in this case.

RedCairo
Wow. Seriously, I want what you're having. ;-)

You mean like this scene

I feel significantly better when taking fairly big doses regularly but not really per-dose and not euphoric, just 'better.' I wonder how much effect the lecithin has versus the ascorbic for many. Guess there's no way to tease that factor apart in this case.

I experiment with lots of supplements, my spare smaller fridge in the garage is nearly full of bottles and potions. Most of them I try for a short time, then if I don't notice immediate beneficial effects and there is no research showing longer term benefits, I drop them. The Liposomal C scores on both counts, so it's a keeper. As noted few posts back, this immediate effect of LVC is most similar to dopamine and norepinephrine rush on higher doses of PEA or L-Tyrosine, except that it has much gentler slopes and a longer duration. Also, unlike the other two with which the tolerance builds within first few days, I didn't notice any fading of the LVC effects after several weeks.

Since, looking back at posts here, you have used it a lot longer, did you notice drop off in any effects you experience? Did you notice any skin, hair or other health / cosmetic effects? I have separated some into a small bottle, added few drops of alcohol and have used it as an aftershave. It seems that the skin likes it, but that has been too short of an experiment for evaluation of the benefits.

I don't think it is a placebo since, having tried before both supplements in larger doses than this, the last thing I expected was a dopamine-noreipinephrine rush (which I have learned to recognize and tune into from other supplements known for such effects). I am still wondering what the mechanism of action behind it may be.

You might find this medical study informative.

Vitamin C Function in the Brain

This is a very long medical study that discusses how Vitamin C gets through the blood/brain barrier and how it works. If you scroll down to section "3.2", it talks about:

"For example, it is well established that ascorbate is essential for catecholamine biosynthesis in neural tissues, serving as a co-factor for dopamine..."

Ascorbate has been proposed to function as a neuromodulator of both dopamine- and glutamate-mediated neurotransmission

The highest concentrations of ascorbate in the body are found in the brain and neuroendocrine tissues such as adrenal...

...Ascorbate is proposed as a neuromodulator of glutamatergic, dopaminergic, cholinergic and GABAergic transmission and related behaviors. Neurodegenerative diseases typically involve high levels of oxidative stress and thus ascorbate has been posited to have potential therapeutic roles against ischemic stroke, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and Huntingdon's disease.

This there is this about the effects on behavior: learning, memory, and locomotion. I truly believe this has helped to reverse and stop my mother's dementia.

Intraperitoneal ascorbate (125 mg/kg) reversed memory deficits in mice induced both by age and scopolamine treatment in a transfer latency task in the elevated plus maze and a passive avoidance task and in a habituation-based task in a light-dark paradigm. When ascorbate was given orally for 30 days (300mg/kg) in conjunction with vitamin E in aged mice (15 months), it also improved performance on a passive avoidance task. Improvement was not noted in 3 month old mice or when ascorbate was administered alone in that study. It should be noted, however, that these are atypical tests of learning and memory. The first two are variants of tasks more often used to measure anxiety than learning, and the third relies on learned associations between a response and an electric shock

And this test on quail:

Ascorbate provided in drinking water has been shown to reduce the fear response in Japanese quail chicks tested in a less stressful light-dark emergence paradigm.

And this test on rats: This is the scary one. This is what happens when Vitamin C is not in your diet - you die.

After 2 weeks of vitamin E deprivation, plasma and brain α-tocopherol concentrations were decreased by 65% and 32%, respectively. These animals gained weight and appeared completely normal. However, within 5-6 days of removing vitamin C from their diet, most of the animals developed a progressive ascending paralysis and died within 24 hours. No neurologic signs were apparent in animals with single deficiencies of vitamins C or E.

This medical report covers A LOT of info. Any of you that are serious about learning how Vitamin C works - I highly suggest you read the entire report. I do not understand some of the medical jargon... but I get the gist of what they are trying to convey.

Don't be afraid to google some of the medical words - I did and it helped me understand it MUCH better.

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Thanks Julie, that is a very useful review with lots of good citations (half the paper is the list of references). It seems that interaction of ascorbate with dopamine system is quite complex and ambivalent (boosts or reduces dopamine, depending on the brain region and conditions). One important role is that ascorbate is a cofactor in conversion of dopamine into norepinephrine, which should help with attention and focus.

Another interesting effect is that ascorbate counters the negative effects of scopolamine (date rape drug) and, related to that, it stimulates acetylcholine activity (which scopolamine inhibits, hence its use for inducing amnesia), which should help with detail oriented mental tasks, working memory and possibly against Alzheimer's.

The main general effect seems to be neuroprotective function under variety of challenges and pathologies (e.g. against amphetamine neurotoxicity and excitotoxic effects of excessive glutamate). This still leaves the unsolved mystery of the sensation of well-being many here have reported (experienced by me as well). Here is the summary of the review:

That ascorbate is important for neuronal maturation and function, as well as for protection of the brain against oxidant stress is well supported by the evidence presented in this review.

The vitamin is maintained at high concentrations in brain and in neurons in particular relative to other organs. In addition, strong homeostatic mechanisms maintain brain and neuronal ascorbate concentrations within very tight limits. Thus, not only is it difficult to deplete brain ascorbate, but it is also difficult if not impossible to increase levels for more than a short period above those set by uptake and recycling mechanisms. Whereas oral supplements generally increase brain ascorbate by only 20% at most, larger relative increases may occur if significant oxidant stress has caused localized ascorbate deficiency in brain areas affected by neurodegeneration or inflammation.

Study of the role of ascorbate in human brain function has been limited, but with the availability of suitable mouse models, ascorbate deficiency or excess can be studied in more detail, particularly with regard to effects of the vitamin on brain development, neurotransmitter function and responses to inflammatory or oxidant stresses, such as might exist in cerebral atherosclerosis or in several neurodegenerative diseases.

Hi everybody,

This is an open request....

Has anyone purchased Swanson's non-GMO Soy Lecithin Granules and/or non-GMO Sunflower Lecithin recently...?

I have taken my second delivery of the Three Pound Soy Lecithin (first was about March, 2013...) and it looks very different from the first....

The Granules are now quite dark...much like the Sunflower non-GMO "granules" I purchased from Swanson about a month ago (Sept, 2013)....

The Sunflower Lecithin Granules was a dark powdery substance not granular at all...

The colour (of the Sunflower Lecithin) when mixed with the reverse osmosis water heated to 100 F was a caramel colour....

I became quite ill from it (the Sunflower Lecithin)...assumed it was a (typical for me) allergic reaction....and I gave it away....in exchange for some Medical Mj cookies....EDIT NOTE: I phoned the Sunflower recipient and told him to wait on trying it until I speak with Swanson....

I am presently sonicating the new Soy Lecithin and it is a deep caramel colour...the first Soy Lecithin was more what I see as a typical colour...lighter and really granular...no mistaking how granular.....the new Soy Lecithin makes me nervous....I won't take any until I have some confidence in it....

Please feel free to comment....I'm going to telephone Swanson promptly and see what they say....

I'll be going out for a few hours (but with my iPad so I'll be monitoring for responses)

Many thanks,
Tarasco

PS....I told an acquaintance last nite that I just celebrated my 69th birthday....her response was to exclaim about the healthiness of my skin tone...!


PPS....It seems that Swanson is experiencing phone congestion...I'll try calling them from downtown....

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Tarasco,

That is an interesting dilemma. I also buy Swanson's products.

I haven't ordered recently. My latch batch of non gmo soy grandules was ordered several months ago. Same 3 lb container and the quality appear good, a nice golden color.

I will be interested in hearing what you find out.

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Interesting, what were your symptoms? I have been using the swansons sunflower lecithin for a while now. On my 5th lb. and they've all looked the same. I ordered twice, three lbs. each time.

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I haven't tried the powder form of Sunflower Lecithin. I've been using the gooey liquid stuff from Azure Standard. It's worked great for me and it's non-gmo. I'm on my second 1 gallon bottle and getting ready to order another. They've been consistent in texture and color. It seems to take a bit longer to sonicate but I like it much better than soy.

Julie Washington
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Tarasco,

That is an interesting dilemma. I also buy Swanson's products.

I haven't ordered recently. My latch batch of non gmo soy grandules was ordered several months ago. Same 3 lb container and the quality appear good, a nice golden color.

I will be interested in hearing what you find out.

Julie, thanks for responding....

The Lot # on the new Soy Lecithin jar is: B2016562
Best Before Date: 08/14

I'm just off the phone to Swanson and paraphrasing from the product notes quote....Swanson is continually sourcing its Identity Preserved non-GMO Soy Lecithin and thus variations in colour and/or texture are to be expected...

My first three pound jar of Soy Lecithin was a nice golden/yellow colour with large granules....

The second jar is very dark and fine-granuled....and I have just sampled a 1/3 cup (80 ml) of the Lip C with the new Soy Lecithin....its been about 15 minutes and I'm still functioning....!

I feel no discomfort at all and should have by now....but there is always the possibility of a delayed reaction....

I'll update this if there is a change....

Tarasco

toastyr
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Interesting, what were your symptoms? I have been using the swansons sunflower lecithin for a while now. On my 5th lb. and they've all looked the same. I ordered twice, three lbs. each time.

Hi toastyr...

Thanks for responding...

My symptoms are flu-like, an overall malaise, bone-crushing fatigue, brain fog, insomnia....

What does your Sunflower Lecithin look like....?...colour and texture/size of granules....

Mine is much more a powder than granules and very dark in colour....like it was toasted...

Are you buying individual one pound jars of the Sunflower Lecithin...?....I was only able to find one pound jars of the Sunflower at Swanson....

Tarasco

papajake
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I haven't tried the powder form of Sunflower Lecithin. I've been using the gooey liquid stuff from Azure Standard. It's worked great for me and it's non-gmo. I'm on my second 1 gallon bottle and getting ready to order another. They've been consistent in texture and color. It seems to take a bit longer to sonicate but I like it much better than soy.

Hi papajake,

Thanks for replying....

I suspect I'm "allergic" to Sunflower Lecithin....so can't go there...I envy you....

(the new Soy Lecithin seems to take an extra or two 8-minute cycles of the ultrasonic cleaner to completely remove the foam...don't know if that matters)

So far I feel fine with the experimental dose of the new Soy Lecithin....

Tarasco

(I have this vision of the Product Specialists scratching their heads about the huge consumption of lecithin by individuals....)

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It seems everyone's reactions are different. My mother said she got a stomach ache after trying the sunflower. Yet myself and three others have had no ill reaction and we've been taking it over a year now. It's too bad you're allergic. Do you think it's the sunflower or the process to turn it into a powder form of lecithin? Are there chemicals needed to make lecithin?

I process 3 batches at a time and sometimes it takes up to 5 cycles to remove the foam. I have no idea why but the results are always good.

I'm sure the Product Specialists have caught on to why people are purchasing so much lecithin "and" vitamin c. I'd be surprised if they didn't ask the question as to why there's such an up tick in sales.

My current batch is from Swanson's non-GMO sunflower lecithin. As noted by others, it's in powder, not granular form and the color is grayish-beige, noticably darker than color of NOW non-GMO soy lecithin (which was eggnog color). I soaked it overnight before sonification and used Sodium Ascorbate (as I did for all my batches). I also don't heat the water before mixing it, using just plain distilled water right out of the container at the room temperature.

The foam took couple 3-minute cycles longer (for total of 12 cycles) to vanish than with the NOW's soy lecithin. The liquid temperature in the USC was noticably cooler (barely above room temperature) at the end of sonification than from the soy lecithin (which was like warmed milk). Since sunflower lecithin was denser than soy one, I ended up using 30 grams of lecithin (2 of their scoops) with 30 grams of SA for the same 1.5 cups of water that fit into the USC. Everything disolved and mixed fine and the milky liquid remains perfectly homogenious after couple days in the fridge, with no separation or any other non-uniformities that can be noticed.

As far as the primary effect, it seems exactly the same as with the soy lecithin descibed few posts back -- the nice sense of well-being cascading down from the top of the head within 10-15 minutes of taking the 3-4 table spoons with quarter glass of apple cider.

Since the taste of sunflower lecithin is much less disaggreable with my taste buds than taste of soy lecitihin, I will stick with the sunflower. It still has that waxy-oily feel, but no soy taste which I can't stand. It is almost drinkable without any juice. I might make both kinds at once for test that alternates one with the other for better comparison.