The Right/Left illusion...is NOT an illusion

Originally posted by dreamingawake
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Gay Marriage
"It's perfect!
An issue EVERYBODY gets mad about and
NOBODY can agree on!"

from Illuminati-Mutal Assured Distraction Set/Steve Jackson

Divide and conquer.

edit on 31-5-2012 by dreamingawake because: link

One of the reasons why I want government to get out of religion all together, stop recognising religious institutions. Equality is equality. Religion is a club that does not recognise equality...we need to remove religion from government (and government from religion) and such debates need not happen.

Originally posted by jacobe001
I have a question for you SaturnFX.

Do you consider many of the Big Wall Street Banks as leaning toward the left or the right?

Facts on the frontline would show that they have no preference either way, as long as they can "buy" someone on either "team" to do their bidding.

They hedge their bets equally..until they can hire a fortune teller, then they will try to be in favor of both sides of the coin...because they want the coin when the flipping is over.

This is more about the people verses corrupt politicians and the corporatocracy we currently live in though. If I am debating someone about say, abortion laws...its a person to person debate..when someone comes in and says its an illusion, I personally want to smack that person in the head, as there is no illusion here, it is a discussion with very different sides and outcomes.

You guys are comparing Bush to Obama. And Obama to Romney.

But what you are missing is that Bush, Obama, and Romney are all cousins. All the descendents to the blood line.
Look it up. It is a family affair.

reply to post by SaturnFX


A reply of the form "You are wrong, there are no sides" would serve to reinforce Kurt Gödel's incompleteness theorem.

-rrr

Originally posted by intrepid
I disagree for a different reason. Republicans as a whole are ditching hard core values for more equitable ones. Why do you think Romney is doing so well? He's not the RNC's choice BUT he's the choice of Republicans. He's a moderate. You want Obama out? You've got to give the "swing voters" a candidate that they will vote for. In Romney they have that. He may not beat Obama's mighty machine, loaded with cash but he's going to give them fits.

Exactly. Moderate voters are a fickle bunch that swing the pendulum, and they are growing in numbers. Hard core liberal or conservative voters might be your voting base, but that isn't enough to win an election. With Romney, the GOP gives itself the chance to gain those moderate votes.

Personally, I would prefer more moderates in Congress. The President can be as far left or right as he or she wants, but a moderate Congress could actually get things done.

As long as each of the hand picked and groomed yes men puppets support a certain emotionalized domestic issue like pro life or pro choice, then the deciders always get their guy into the oval office. It could maybe even be an anti-war canidate against a pro war canidate. We seen that last time with Obama and McCain. And the easily misled leftists fell for the scam that Obama the nobel peace prize winner pulled over their doped up heads.

Could go the other way just as easily this time by duping Republicans into believing that Romney is a conservative. This is how the masters of puppets make sure that the sheople always come out and vote for one of their club members. This is why they fear Ron Paul so much because he's not one of their lap dogs. The entire two party system is a sham, and the mass media tycoons orchestrate their emperors agenda of division quite well. Well enough for the majority of the sheople to swallow time and time again.

Basically, They depend on easily misled morons to keep one of their two guys always in power. You can argue all day about left vs right issues, but it doesn't change the overall agenda because while people squabble over emotional domestic subjects, meanwhile both parties work to make the Globalists dreams become reality. Read between the lies robots. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by SaturnFX


I have never seen anyone post that it is an illusion.

it is a paradigm.

There is a huge difference.

The illusion people speak about in regards to politics is that you do not have any control of the choices offered to you. The choices are controlled so you are manipulated into choosing between two when there are truly many more to be offered.

We should rise above the currently left right paradigm because it is harmful to society as a whole.

I also believe that there is always a middle ground.

I don't see why intelligent adults who are capable of critical thinking, empathy and compassion cannot use those skills to peacefully resolve any issue.

You’re a fool if you think there is no illusion, Obama and bush might as well been the exact same person. Romney has the same voting records as Obama as well. The illusion of choice is what you have. You can either choose a puppet or Ron Paul. He is the only real presidential candidate I have seen in my life time.
You are one of three things,

1. Someone who thinks they are smarter than they are I.E ignorant

2. A paid shill

3. Someone who is so invested in the system that it is truly impossible for you to believe anything that is outside you realm of thinking. I feel sorry for you. You will not be prepared when everything collapses because you are so happy in your make believe reality.

Well if you care about Social Security Administrations and the Veterans Administrations Retirement, Survivors, and Disability Insurance. Then you had better Go left... Not that anyone cares right it doesn't effect anyone who matters...

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It is just an illusion, and those few things you pointed out are exactly the twists they put on it so people like you say "nah uh there is a difference!"

Right left illusion working as intended

It is absolutely not an illusion. The people who say crazy stuff like that are politically illiterate.

If I have to describe what each side stands for it just proves my point.

Which are both sides? Is it republicans and democrats or is it left versus right?

Who said people have to vote for either republicans and democrats? What about the other 50 odds parties?

Why the fear and ignorance of socialism? Why equate a capitalist society with a welfare system to socialism? True socialism is when the state runs business, either completly or partially.

Those that hammer "freedom and liberty" are usually conservatives masquerading as libertarians. A true libertarian is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Someone who keeps hammering on welfare, constitution and state rights is definitely conservative.

The constitution itself has become a corporate charter not to be revered as a sacred document anymore. The USA is a corporation registered in the state of delaware along with all the major agencies. State capitalism in all its horror.

Lastly yes there are corporate overlords who oversee everything. Those that started the industrial revolution in europe and america. Those that block ufo disclosure. Those that encourage elitism and block socialism from every developing.

You people who say left and right are the same disgust me!

reply to post by SaturnFX


The real truth is they are much more similar than they are different, and your opinion is playin right into it. Sure they can take minor issues like same sex relations, or birth control and hang a huge flashing sign saying "look how different we are!"

BUT!

When it comes to writing policy and the major issues at hand they are all the same...each side works only for those that lobbied and put money in their banks for the ellection and then say to hell with what ever the people of the country really want.

That my friend is the problem!

Sure there are a small handful of differences, but when it comes down to making real decisions on what's really important at hand...both parties walk hand in hand with the ones writing the checks for them.

There is no party lines when it comes to corporations and politics, both sides are bought and paid for...and that's what people mean when they say there's no difference between them.

The truth is there is no difference with the exception of the handful of spoonfed issues our media hype up to create the illusion that there is differences when they're almost exactly the same.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by dreamingawake
Similar to this:

Gay Marriage
"It's perfect!
An issue EVERYBODY gets mad about and
NOBODY can agree on!"

from Illuminati-Mutal Assured Distraction Set/Steve Jackson

Divide and conquer.

edit on 31-5-2012 by dreamingawake because: link

One of the reasons why I want government to get out of religion all together, stop recognising religious institutions. Equality is equality. Religion is a club that does not recognise equality...we need to remove religion from government (and government from religion) and such debates need not happen.

It is not about equality. It is about fair opportunity and respect for people who are different. Everyone is a racist to a certain degree. The amount of hate and intolerance is what makes someone a racist. Religion is a tool of racism, and a fake one at that.

Those that believe in the ancient alien hypothesis are much wiser than the fools that believe in mainstream religion. Spiritualism is great in my book, but atheism is not. Higher order of life exists throughout the cosmos and in dimensions we cannot comprehend. It is like the wind which you can feel but you cannot see.

The "plan" they have will always be carried out, no matter who gets voted in. If, in fact, voting is anything more than placebo, to make you think you have any voice in the matter. You probably don't.

What did Obama say? "I'm going to bring our troops home! Yes we can! Blah, blah, blah..."

Well, let's see... did he? Let me check... nope?... they're still there, killing and dying in the name of rich, old white men. The same rich, old white men who've been in power sense the beginning, passing their wealth and power down through their generations, carrying out the same plans again and again and again. The name of the game is, "We like the way things are... let's see to it that things never change..."

Hey, there's a Bilderberg meeting going on. Right now. They're making decisions behind closed doors. You're not invited. Do they care what you think? No... they're going to decide what's to be done, then it's going to be done.

I'm no psychic, but I can make a prediction with almost 99% accuracy. Here goes... the rich will get richer, the poor will stay poor, the wars will continue, gas prices will probably go up (or at the very least, not change very much), the national debt will continue to rise, at YOUR expense, you will lose more freedoms, and no amount of stomping the ground and shouting will change this... in essence, their lives will be good, and YOUR lives will be CRAP, and this whole system is set up to make sure that never changes. So go on ahead, and play into their divide & conquer scheme if you want to. Keep your heads buried in the sand, and keep believing that your government has your best interests at heart. And as long as you continue to do so, they will continue to rape you, while you're on your knees, completely unaware of how much a slave you truly are.

reply to post by MrUncreated


No one is saying that rich white protestants(more like luciferians) are not controlling things behind the curtain.

What I am saying is that capitalism and religion ENCOURAGE this kind of behavior to continue FOREVER!

The rich protect the rich and the poor fight among themselves for crumbs. WHO is that wants state welfare to be phased out in favor of charity? WHO is that wants the state to control almost everything while the federal government controls only the military? WHO is that wants a huge military industrial complex? WHO is that wants to continue polluting FOREVER? WHO is that wants big pharma to have a monopoly over natural remedies?

I made my point I think. And yes Obamma is a lier but at least he is trying to end the fake war on terror by dumping osama bin laden in the sea, after the republicans keep digging him out of his grave. Jesus Christ!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I wasn't exactly directing that at you, but I get what you're saying.
Well, they've certainly redefined the word "terrorist". Does anyone really know what that word means anymore?
Now I think it means "anyone who does not believe that all Muslims want Americans to die in a fiery explosion"...
Or maybe it means, "anyone who thinks the government is run by criminals"...
I am no longer sure what it means.

Technically, you're right, OP. However, and this is just my opinion, the "issues" they fight over are actually non-issues, that have no real effect on society, or reality, for that matter, and should not be left to politics in the first place.

For example, the homosexual rights issue. They are Human Beings, just like you and me. I have friends who are gay, on both sides, and I can guarantee you that they are not possessed by Demons, or Daemons, depending on which mind control cult you associate yourself with. (not you, people in general). These "Christians" who say # like put all of these people behind an electric fence in order to cull them from society have absolutely no idea who Jesus Christ is or was. These people are a victim of one of the biggest weapons of the TPTB, mind control. Specifically, guilt by association - "if I don't believe in what my pastor says, or another Christian, I will burn in hell for all eternity".

I could go on and on, but I think you get the point. It is all smoke screens and bull feces. Bread and Circuses. Don't fall for it, my friends.

Originally posted by MrUncreated
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I wasn't exactly directing that at you, but I get what you're saying.
Well, they've certainly redefined the word "terrorist". Does anyone really know what that word means anymore?
Now I think it means "anyone who does not believe that all Muslims want Americans to die in a fiery explosion"...
Or maybe it means, "anyone who thinks the government is run by criminals"...
I am no longer sure what it means.

Ok. Terrorism probably means anyone who belongs left of right.

Just my opinion, but I think I am correct!

The democrats are the lesser of two evils, BUT I would much rather have people voting libertarian, spusa, cpusa, green party, constitutional party...........to put an end to the monopoly. Informed citizens make for careful politicians.

The longer people keep saying "they are all the same" the more "freedom and liberty" hollow nonsense we will get. True freedom and liberty exists with making a good paycheck, affordable healthcare, stable foreign relations, space travel throughout our solar system and beyond, a decent vacation, population control, clean enviroment.

Words are hollow and actions are solid!

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There is a fundamental difference between a "Liberal" and a "Conservative" .. the difference is VAST, it a very way of thinking, it almost seems genetic.

There is however NO difference between a REPUBLICAN and a DEMOCRATIC politician!

I describe it in a simple way: Choose the left path or the right path, the paths will be slightly different but their destination is the same. That destination being social and economic ruin, and war.