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Originally posted by Malynn
Oh man. This thread is GREAT! LOL I'm not a follower of any organized religion but this tickles me just the same. Mostly due to a petty pleasure I receive from Christian indignation. I really love your evidence and the layout of your post! Bravo!
But I reject your assertion that I can't say it comes from aliens. There is as much proof of interdimensional angels or whatever you said as there are of aliens. So *sticks her finger in a light socket so her hair stands up all crazy*
Aliens.
Originally posted by NullVoid
Regardless, there IS a supreme being. Total rejection of God is kinda dumb. So even if we are being played by aliens, chance still sided with the belief of one God.
Originally posted by NullVoid
Regardless, there IS a supreme being. Total rejection of God is kinda dumb. So even if we are being played by aliens, chance still sided with the belief of one God.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by InfoKartel
I said Muslims see Jesus as one of the prophets, not the messiah. A messiah, not the messiah.
Saying Jesus was not THE Messiah" does not automatically imply that you meant to say Jesus was A messiah..
But you can keep telling yourself that.
edit on 31-5-2012 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
You're trying to make it as if Islam shoves Jesus into "Just another one of the guys" category
First you claimed he was just one of the prophets, you denied he was the messiah, now you say he's "just one of the messiahs". I think you missed my previous response on this point
Islam acknowledges NO other Messiah. Jesus Christ is the ONLY Messiah talked about in Islam. While Judaism refers to several Messiahs (although even they put special emphasis on the Prophesied Messiah), in the context of both Christianity and Islam, THERE IS ONLY ONE MESSIAH.
Now you are going on about Islam considering Muhammad the only human without sin. Newsflash: In Islam. ALL the prophets (including Jesus as well, who was THE Messiah) are considered sinless.
Great. Wonderful. Without any dodging and sliding about and backpedaling, you have acknowledged these facts. Progress!
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Because most Arab scientists were dumb as a rock and most of the "Arab" discoveries were actually Persians making discoveries. The twisting of history is so overwhelming.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Muslims see him as one of the many prophets.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Which is that he is one of many prophets. Not the messiah.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
He is one of the messiahs. Big difference.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Jesus becomes one of the messiahs, one of the prophets in Islam (the implication here being the 'messiah' just means 'prophet')
Originally posted by InfoKartel
I said Muslims see Jesus as one of the prophets, not the messiah. A messiah, not the messiah.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Muhammed is put on a pedestal as being the only perfect human being(ie. the only human without sin)
Not only are every one of these statements objectively false, they're not even internally consistent. First it was exclusively the kurds who did all the "intelligent" scientific work rather than Arabs and Persians, now it is the persians?
First Jesus was only considered a prophet, then he was only considered ONE of the Messiahs, now Messiah means prophet?
You keep going on about how you explained the "root of the word", (although you didn't).
Here, let me break it down for you:
"Messiah" means "annointed one".
Yes, there were many Messiahs in Judaism, but there is only 1 famous, end-times one, the Prophesied Messiah.
Christians believe this Messiah to be Jesus. In fact, when you ask a Christian "Who is the Messiah?", they're not going to answer "There are many messiahs" or "Even Cyrus the Great was a Messiah". They'll say "Jesus".
In the same way, Islam considers Jesus THE Messiah. Islam mentions lots of the other people mentioned in the Hebrew texts, but ONLY Jesus is referred to as THE Messiah. "Messiah" doesn't mean "Prophet". Since you talk about the root of words, the word for Messiah and the word for Prophet in arabic (and in the Quran) are TWO SEPARATE WORDS. In Islam, Muhammad was not THE Messiah. He wasn't even A Messiah. Moses wasn't either, nor was David, nor was Solomon, nor was anyone else. Along with Jesus, they were all sinless (being that they were Prophets of God), but they weren't the Messiah, or even A Messiah. I don't see how this is so hard to understand.
So now you are saying that yes, all that you said before was wrong, but that I am not addressing "the crux" of your post? What is the crux of your post, then? What are these points you are making that I have missed? It seems they have been built on a mountain of inaccuracies. If this mountain of inaccuracies was irrelevant to "the crux" of your post, then why did you mention them?
And it actually DOES mean that, if you had paid attention in reading comprehension classes.
You seem to think that Messiah means "THE Son of God".
If the crux of your argument is denigrating Muhammad, then do that. Write about that. Post about that. What on earth are you doing writing about who is or is not THE Messiah in Islam, who is or is not sinless, or which people among which ethnicities made which discoveries? The statements you made regarding these things have been shown to be objectively false...
You don't seem to be very knowledgeable about these things.
If you were paying attention is basic english class, you would have simply said "Jesus is a messiah in Islam" in your original reply. Instead you say "Jesus is not the messiah"....and then turn around saying you meant something else.
Here's a link for you, i'm sure you've read the folklore: en.wikipedia.org... So if the Ismaili "sect" was going out and about killing off leaders of other "sects" to ensure it's version of Islam was the primary version etc.. who's to truly say any version is "right"? From what i've been able to ascertain Islam has/had more variants than even Christianity until the last few years, are they all right, or are they all wrong?