OWS is pro-Obama? Think again!

reply to post by Kali74

Had Wall Street and the wars not sucked the wealth from the middle class (a form of wealth re-distribution) while leaving Corporations and the extremely wealthy, untouched,

It's pretty much the same thing the bankers have been doing since the 1800's. Read Antony Sutton on the role of the bankers in the rise of HItler and also the banker support of the Bolshevik Revolution and you will understand the part they play in making money while supporting communist and socialist revolutions. Instead of understanding it, OWS is supporting the very people the bankers are bankrolling. Not very smart.

If you care enough to really understand this, here's a PDF of some of Sutton's work

vho.org...

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Oh please do tell me who Occupy is supporting?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

What credentials does a person have to have to make you believe them? A Harvard law degree llike O? Yale Skull and Bones admittance? Rhodes scholar? What?

(Facepalm) You aren't getting it. NO ONE is qualified to judge whether another citizen is "American enough" or to judge what is and isn't an "American ideal". America is and always has been made up of many, many, many different ideas, cultures, beliefs, and goals, and it always will be. At one time, slavery was an "American ideal". Not anymore. At another time, women being unequal to men was an "American ideal" and no so much now. 50 years from now, yes, Communism may be an "American ideal" if enough people agree with it. Just because you don't agree with it, doesn't make it un-American.

All someone has to do is watch the endless interviews with OWS folks to understand that they don't know what the hell they are even protesting against. Yeah, we all realize that the two party system that is controlled by the Banksters needs to be stopped, but it's gonna take alot more than some young dope somoking kids in berkinstocks to make a real change.

We are not gonna get any change whatsoever in America unless the U.S Military stands up and fights for the people and the United States Contitution. Without them, you can forget anything ever changing soon. The masters of puppets have removed any chance of Ron Paul getting nominated through their pre-season voter fraud, just as their buddies in the MSM have tweaked their polls in order to make sure that one of the two android yes men is victorious come next November. OWS isn't doing squat. I respect the intentions of many, but way too much confusion, not to mention the reality of the situation, has obstructed any sort of long term progress. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation


And to get Ron Paul elected, it's going to take a lot more than some young Jefferson-worshipping hipsters with bullhorns and libertarian stickers plastered all over the back of their cars, spending endless hours touting "the good doktor" on message boards. But it stings like hell when people criticize ya'll for trying, right? Trying to get someone like him elected was a joke from the beginning, because of---as you say----the "reality of the situation", but I would never disparage y'all for your efforts. OWS could be a very powerful ally in the fight to get a Paul-type person elected; why would you just alienate that and write if off? THAT is why he'll never get elected, because it's always got to be all-or-nothing support for Paul or you write them off. At least OWS isn't excluding people who don't spout the same rote that is channeled to them via email every day. Diversity of goals and opinions? Oooh, what a horrible thing for a movement to embody. Imagine, people who disagree still working together for the common goals they have. No room for THAT in this country.

The OWS movement is being infiltrated and defamed by Obamas henchmen to push his agenda.

The public image of the movement, which indeed combines much of the same aspects as the Tea Party and Libertarians, is corrupted in the mass media. The purpose is to make OWS look like a group of angry communists who want free hand outs. This defamation works for Obama because it makes his socialist agenda seem to have legitimacy within the public. Which it clearly does not have any legitimacy at all!

The media did the same song and dance when the Tea Party began to gain strength by making them appear to be ultra right wing Bush-ites. This image is far from the truth as many here may know.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by decepticonLaura

 

could we maybe stop it with the childish knee-jerk fear of mere systems of ideas

No, because some do not recognize or understand the implications of the One World Totalitarianism now taking place full fledge under this Marxist communist admin.

speechless.
are you copying from the Great Big Book of Incredibly Cliched and Thoughtless Replies?
every time i write something like my previous post, i cross my fingers, close my eyes and wish for a response that acknowledges the fact that ideas are both indestructible and harmless. it is PEOPLE that do bad things to each other, not the various political ideologies they may or may not espouse.
but no, no, One World Totalitarianism, Communist Marxist nonsense again.
what really gets me is that we are on the same side here.
none of us like what this admin is doing
all of us want change
but can we work together for the benefit of all?
not a chance! somebody may or may not have a different idea of how an ideal system might work!
there can be no discussion! there can be no compromise!
instead let us throw buzzwords of hate at each other all day!
then tomorrow we can get up and go to work and look at the world disintegrating around us and continue to wish it was different!

reply to post by 00nunya00


Of course OWS is not pro-Obama.

How many people thought that it was? And why?

Ditto for those calling OWS a socialist movement. Just because there are socialists marching in support, does not mean that the movement as a whole is socialist.

reply to post by SheopleNation


They don't know what they're protesting about?

What the hell is wrong with you?

LOOK at what they're protesting against! This very forum is the embodiment of what's wrong with America. When people take to the streets to voice their opinions, they're trashed, denigrated and dismissed by the armchair politicos at ATS.

reply to post by seabag


Wow, reading this post is like watching a cartoon. It only makes sense in a cartoonish world like the one you apparently live in.

Ironic how you call someone a professor and here you are, acting like a know-it-all when it comes to communism.

You're just repeating the same # that Rush, Hannity and O'Retard have been spewing.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
All someone has to do is watch the endless interviews with OWS folks to understand that they don't know what the hell they are even protesting against. Yeah, we all realize that the two party system that is controlled by the Banksters needs to be stopped, but it's gonna take alot more than some young dope somoking kids in berkinstocks to make a real change.

I love this silly argument put out by MSM talking heads. The problem is that there is so much corruption to fix that nobody knows where to start.

I think they're mad at him like Rep. Luis Gutierrez is mad at him. This Representative, a Democrat, is steaming mad at Obama that he's complete broken his promise on immigration reform. He's an outspoken critic of him, and regularly denounces his immigration policies (or lack thereof).

But he's still voting for him. Just like a majority of OWS will. OWS isn't pro-Obama, but neither are they anti-. Their little pet grievances aren't enough for them to not vote for him. Most of them will. And they'll get their little hearts broken again.

/TOA

reply to post by The Old American


Oh, I didn't know we had the Oracle Of Votes among us! Wow, we should have just asked you what their motivation is and what their plans are, that would have saved us a lot of time!

reply to post by 00nunya00


I told you they won't listen. They know everything about Occupy because they bothered looking past the right wing media labels.

The fact is that most Occupiers won't be voting because we don't believe in the puppet theater. We won't have a true representative in the US government until the system changes. The system won't change until we make it. We make the system change by never shutting up no matter what horrible things they say and do.

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by SheopleNation

 

Imagine, people who disagree still working together for the common goals they have. No room for THAT in this country.

Back hand. People will never work together for a common goal is this Country because TPTB have succeeded with their divisionist tactics. That's the whole point of open borders. Well, one of them. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble guy. You can IMAGINE all you like, but that doesn't change reality. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by SheopleNation

 

They don't know what they're protesting about?

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

What the hell is wrong with you?

What the hell is right with you?

LOOK at what they're protesting against!

I understand what many of them are protesting against, that doesn't mean that there is any organization or common goal overall. Do I have to post the videos of alot of the dunces answers when asked?

This very forum is the embodiment of what's wrong with America. When people take to the streets to voice their opinions, they're trashed, denigrated and dismissed by the armchair politicos at ATS.

Well you're a member here are you not? So you're part of the problem yourself. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by Exemplar


Yeah sure there are many who understand the chokehold that the international banksters have on this planet, but far from all of them. Half of them are just cutting school to smoke dope and pretend that they are back in the degenerate 60's movement. What has been accomplished? = Absolutely nothing. It won't be until everyone stands up, including the U.S Military, that anything will be accomplished whatsoever. Meanwhile, many of them bow down to their Government fabricated ANON god. It's laughable actually.~$heopleNation

Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by SheopleNation

 

Imagine, people who disagree still working together for the common goals they have. No room for THAT in this country.

Back hand. People will never work together for a common goal is this Country because TPTB have succeeded with their divisionist tactics. That's the whole point of open borders. Well, one of them. Sorry to burst your fantasy bubble guy. You can IMAGINE all you like, but that doesn't change reality. ~$heopleNation

And yet, reality proves you wrong. No matter how much you insist that they're not working together, people in OWS *are* working together. You can put your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes, but that doesn't change anyone's reality but your own. Sorry to burst your illusions of grandeur. You can insist all you like, but that doesn't replace anyone else's reality with your own.

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Half of them are just cutting school to smoke dope and pretend that they are back in the degenerate 60's movement.

Really, can I get your roll-call roster on that one, where you polled everyone and half of them said they just wanted to skip school?

Okay, here, I'll play: Half the people at TP rallies are racists, and half of the people who use the word "sheople" are schizos. I have nothing to back that up, nothing more than you have anyways, but because I said it, you now have to argue against it as if it's fact until you prove otherwise. GO!

Originally posted by 00nunya00
And yet, reality proves you wrong. No matter how much you insist that they're not working together, people in OWS *are* working together.

Just as no matter how many times you say it, and you can say it until you're blue in the face, nothing is organized. Hell, You guys don't even have a leader. LMAO!

You can put your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes, but that doesn't change anyone's reality but your own.

You can blah, blah, blah all day long. You can try and build something up that never amounted to crap to begin with. That Son, doesn't change a thing either.

Sorry to burst your illusions of grandeur.

You have not done the bursting, I have like many others with commonsense have.

You can insist all you like, but that doesn't replace anyone else's reality with your own.

Which could be redirected back at you, yet you still would not get it. You may as well just watch paint dry or pound sand all day long. ~$heopleNation