OWS is pro-Obama? Think again!

reply to post by Exemplar

America will always be transforming. That's why the constitution you speak of can be amended and is referred to as a living document.

Who calls it that beside liberals? Last I check it was an amendable document.

Who are you to tell another citizen that they are not an American?

Communism isn’t AMERICAN. Is the constitution a communist collaboration, professor?

Maybe one day you will realize that socialism and communism are not the threat, it's the rampant fascism that is already here and running things. Hopefully one day we will return to our constitution and a representative republic.

Hopefully you’ll realize one day that socialist policies dating back to FDR are the reason for the collapse of a great country.

Idealism is so ridiculous because it can never be wrong!

Meh!

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
The truth as I see it, is that OWS is not PRO-ANYTHING. They only stand against things.

corruption
TBTF
WALL STREET
among others

xp

All things they stand against. So what do they stand FOR?

Getting corporate money out of influencing Congress ( via myriads of lobbyists and shills ) to pass legislation favorable only to their interests, at the detriment of the middle class and poor.

Originally posted by seabag

Who are you to tell another citizen that they are not an American?

Communism isn’t AMERICAN. Is the constitution a communist collaboration, professor?

Speaking of logical fallacies, you're throwing the straw men around like it's harvest season. She asked you who you are to judge another person's "American-ness" and you're arguing about Communism not being American, when she's an avowed non-Communist? Nice one. Think you're the only person who was in Speech & Debate?

Dodge FAIL.

reply to post by 00nunya00

Speaking of logical fallacies, you're throwing the straw men around like it's harvest season. She asked you who you are to judge another person's "American-ness" and you're arguing about Communism not being American, when she's an avowed non-Communist? Nice one. Think you're the only person who was in Speech & Debate?

Dodge FAIL.

First of all it was two different people I replied to...try to keep up.

Secondly, communism is un-American. I am an AMERICAN! I don’t advocate communist ideals. So to answer your question about “who are you to judge” the answer is I am an AMERICAN.

Why don’t you stay on topic or address the posts I directed toward you??

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

Speaking of logical fallacies, you're throwing the straw men around like it's harvest season. She asked you who you are to judge another person's "American-ness" and you're arguing about Communism not being American, when she's an avowed non-Communist? Nice one. Think you're the only person who was in Speech & Debate?

Dodge FAIL.

First of all it was two different people I replied to...try to keep up.

Secondly, communism is un-American. I am an AMERICAN! I don’t advocate communist ideals. So to answer your question about “who are you to judge” the answer is I am an AMERICAN.

Why don’t you stay on topic or address the posts I directed toward you??

So you're only a hypocrite when you call out the same poster for fallacies? I see. That must be very convenient for you, only it doesn't work like that with the big kids. Sorry.

Secondly, you fail to understand the meaning of the question. No one's asking you who you actually are , you're being asked what credentials you have that allow you to judge who else can call themselves "American" or what ideals can be called "American". If you say the founding fathers, I'll point to their support of slavery---not very American in hindsight. If you say the majority, I'll point to the ever-changing face of the majority. If you say the Constitution, I'll point to its much-amended nature and say what is considered an "American ideal" is always changing.

And finally, it's my thread, and I'll reply to whomever the hell I want. Free speech and all; remember, you're the one who refuses to acknowledge reality and continues to post trollish BS about OWS being violent. I'll point out your BS all day if I want. As an American.

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by seabag

 

risked my life for AMERICA and I support your right to support whatever you’d like. But don’t EVEN TRY TO SAY that you support the America that I believe in; a constitutional America.

show mw where in the constitution WHERE does it say that BAILING OUT BANKS is constitutional?
show me where socialism for the TBTF banks is constitutional?

tell me about capitalism where money from your unborn childeren is pledged to the banks for their mistakes?

tell me a patriot would sit still and watch wall street crash the us economy?

you are disingenious to the zenith

xploder

You do know that Tea Party opposed the baillouts don't you? Guess not, you were too busy listening to the lies Huffpo and Janet Napolitano told.

reply to post by 00nunya00


Well, speaking of what is considered un-American, you did know that there was a House Committee on Un-American activities which investigated communist affiliations and subversives in the US? Maybe you didn't otherwise you would have answered your own question.

en.wikipedia.org...

Not to mention we spent decades fighting in wars against communist aggression. Namely Korean and Viet Nam, and other less spectacular limited military actions were against Marxist and communist guerillas in various places. Not to mention the COLD WAR against COMMUNIST RUSSIA.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
You do know that Tea Party opposed the baillouts don't you? Guess not, you were too busy listening to the lies Huffpo and Janet Napolitano told.

edit on 22-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

You do know that he never said the TP *didn't* oppose them, right? Maybe you were too busy listening to your own twisted interpretation of what you think he's saying.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

Well, speaking of what is considered un-American, you did know that there was a House Committee on Un-American activities which investigated communist affiliations and subversives in the US? Maybe you didn't otherwise you would have answered your own question.

en.wikipedia.org...

Not to mention we spent decades fighting in wars against communist aggression. Namely Korean and Viet Nam, and other less spectacular limited military actions were against Marxist and communist guerillas in various places. Not to mention the COLD WAR against COMMUNIST RUSSIA.

edit on 22-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

You completely missed the point. No one was ever trying to say Communism is an "American ideal", we're talking about who gets to say what IS an "American ideal". Keep up, and try to listen to what's actually being said rather than what you would like to argue about. Otherwise you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself using the McCarthy hearings as an example of "America at its finest".

Originally posted by novemberecho
Yeah. I think Obummer saw that OWS is a threat to him, and tried to get them on his side by trying to "support" them.

Reposting. That's exactly what happened

reply to post by seabag


I have never said the words "I am a communist". You again confuse not hating something with being something. Clearly you show the same ineptitude regarding wealth re-distribution. Had Wall Street and the wars not sucked the wealth from the middle class (a form of wealth re-distribution) while leaving Corporations and the extremely wealthy, untouched, we wouldn't be in more than half the mess we are.

We are not asking that the wealthy give their money away, we are asking that laws that allow for the wealthy to buy legislation be overturned. To put it as simply as I can.

These are mighty big distinctions that you are pretending don't exist.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Exemplar

 

America will always be transforming. That's why the constitution you speak of can be amended and is referred to as a living document.

Who calls it that beside liberals? Last I check it was an amendable document.

Who are you to tell another citizen that they are not an American?

Communism isn’t AMERICAN. Is the constitution a communist collaboration, professor?

Maybe one day you will realize that socialism and communism are not the threat, it's the rampant fascism that is already here and running things. Hopefully one day we will return to our constitution and a representative republic.

Hopefully you’ll realize one day that socialist policies dating back to FDR are the reason for the collapse of a great country.

Idealism is so ridiculous because it can never be wrong!

Meh!

edit on 21-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

You really have the with us or against us attitude ingrained, don't you? The fact that the constitution can be amended is exactly the reason it is called a living document. How can you not see that? Also, please don't call me professor. I have no such credentials. Nobody said communism was American. I asked what gives you the right to strip away a fellow citizens title of being "American" simply because you don't like their thoughts and beliefs? That's amendment #1 for a reason. And yes FDR's policies were no good. But those times are gone and over with. I'm focusing on what can be done today.

Oh come on, the president, the media and thus the establishment ALL support and defend OWS. The MSM is always carrying water for them and viciously attacking the tea party. OWS stands for more of the same.

Take a look back at these forums and see how the tea party was treated by both the MSM and the people on this forum (who now support OWS). Once again, you''ll find the media, democrat party and ATS on the same side.

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Oh come on, the president, the media and thus the establishment ALL support and defend OWS. The MSM is always carrying water for them and viciously attacking the tea party. OWS stands for more of the same.

Take a look back at these forums and see how the tea party was treated by both the MSM and the people on this forum (who now support OWS). Once again, you''ll find the media, democrat party and ATS on the same side.

edit on 22-5-2012 by PvtHudson because: (no reason given)

Obama is in re-election mode. It would be political suicide for him to go against OWS. The media was blacking out stories about OWS until they were forced to do a report when 700 people were arrested on the Brooklyn bridge on Oct 2nd, 2011. The right-wing media has done nothing but run smear campaigns against OWS. The democrats will hop on whatever will get them votes, just like the republicans will. ATS is clearly not choosing a side, as you can see in this thread.

Originally posted by seabag


Communism isn’t AMERICAN.

oh seabag! well spotted! you are completely correct!
COMMUNISM is a political ideology [one of many] based on common ownership
AMERICAN means you were born on a certain lump of rock [one of many]
whew! tricky! now bear with me a minute...

what we are living in now is a system whereby all the money and all the power continues to be concentrated in the hands of a very few. a tiny minority who continue to treat their own people disgracefully, while they start wars and rape the land of it's resources across the globe with total impunity.
i'm not cool with that and it won't matter what collection of letters anyone uses to name it, still the same thing.
maybe you think it's fine
but i fail to see what either of the definitions i started with have
anything
to do with
anything
could we maybe stop it with the childish knee-jerk fear of mere systems of ideas
and focus on trying to pull this world back out of the drain?

reply to post by PvtHudson


Oh, because you insist it, it makes it so!

Except all of the evidence presented here says you're wrong.

reply to post by 00nunya00


First, you are the one with the Chairman meow reference. Second, you are suggesting that someone complaining about communism does not understand what it means to be unAmerican and I am saying that he does.
Take it however you will. Why do you have Chairman Meow?

reply to post by decepticonLaura

could we maybe stop it with the childish knee-jerk fear of mere systems of ideas

No, because some do not recognize or understand the implications of the One World Totalitarianism now taking place full fledge under this Marxist communist admin.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

First, you are the one with the Chairman meow reference. Second, you are suggesting that someone complaining about communism does not understand what it means to be unAmerican and I am saying that he does.
Take it however you will. Why do you have Chairman Meow?

Chairman meow makes me a commie? ROFL! That's the funniest sh*t I've heard today. Don't you think if I had respect for Communism I wouldn't use such an irreverent avatar? It's making fun of Mao. Seriously. Really?

Second, you are misunderstanding what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting Seabag doesn't have the credentials to be able to say who is an American and *what* is American. Not your Convoluted Jerry remix.

Originally posted by 00nunya00

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

First, you are the one with the Chairman meow reference. Second, you are suggesting that someone complaining about communism does not understand what it means to be unAmerican and I am saying that he does.
Take it however you will. Why do you have Chairman Meow?

Chairman meow makes me a commie? ROFL! That's the funniest sh*t I've heard today. Don't you think if I had respect for Communism I wouldn't use such an irreverent avatar? It's making fun of Mao. Seriously. Really?

Second, you are misunderstanding what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting Seabag doesn't have the credentials to be able to say who is an American and *what* is American. Not your Convoluted Jerry remix.

I don't know. It's hard to say around here. People who are naive about communism wouldn't have to wonder about it being considered un-American.

There are people making threads here with full on support of Chairman O these days. Seabag has all the credentials I need to agree with him on many points.

What credentials does a person have to have to make you believe them? A Harvard law degree llike O? Yale Skull and Bones admittance? Rhodes scholar? What?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by 00nunya00

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by 00nunya00

 

First, you are the one with the Chairman meow reference. Second, you are suggesting that someone complaining about communism does not understand what it means to be unAmerican and I am saying that he does.
Take it however you will. Why do you have Chairman Meow?

Chairman meow makes me a commie? ROFL! That's the funniest sh*t I've heard today. Don't you think if I had respect for Communism I wouldn't use such an irreverent avatar? It's making fun of Mao. Seriously. Really?

Second, you are misunderstanding what I'm suggesting. I'm suggesting Seabag doesn't have the credentials to be able to say who is an American and *what* is American. Not your Convoluted Jerry remix.

I don't know. It's hard to say around here. People who are naive about communism wouldn't have to wonder about it being considered un-American.

There are people making threads here with full on support of Chairman O these days. Seabag has all the credentials I need to agree with him on many points.

What credentials does a person have to have to make you believe them? A Harvard law degree llike O? Yale Skull and Bones admittance? Rhodes scholar? What?

edit on 22-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

edit on 22-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

I wonder, could you please point me to a list of things that are "American" and things that an "American" is not allowed to involve themselves in without losing the title of "American"? That would help a lot. Thanks.