WA Threatens to split from Australia

Bleh.

Originally posted by AussieDingus
And when the mining boom comes to a crashing halt, like all Industry booms do, the first place states like WA and QLD will come running to with their hands out will be................Canberra !

So if Qld and WA provide most of the income and if the mining boom crashed what would be the point in running to Camberra if they are broke?

And if mining companies are making billion dollar profits, then shouldn't they share some of the responsibility of putting funding back into the states being mined, and removing the need for assistance from Canberra in the first place ???

All the minning companies that I`ve worked for/with have always spent mega millions on the communities.
The way the Gov goes about it is to bite the hand that feeds you.Yeah penalise those for succeeding and working hard,steal from the rich and give to the poor makes for a welfare dependant country.The Gov should not push the mining companies as much as they do,that has disaster written all over it,they should look at the states not doing well and encourage growth in industry where its needed not rape those doing well.

We all know how this Gov operates and has done for many years with our farmers and industries etc losing out to cheaper imports or labour,these are areas that need their and your full attention,not grabbing what they can from the minning industries propping up or just to maintaining other states.Any state here in Australia should at least be self sufficent,if money was being spent specifically in these areas that would be a step in the right direction not the band aid approach to gapping wounds.

Mainly in my mind more needs to be given for the elderly across the country battling to make ends meet and at least keep warm in winter,but the Gov see`s them as least,where they have already earned their retirement and hands out too much to those on welfare that can work who choose not to.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
Posting here from Canada. Haven't read the whole thread. It's the okker in me.

We have this same disease here in Canada with Alberta. One part of the country moves into an economic boom and suddenly, they feel they can go it alone and that the rest of the country is dragging them down, like a crippled relative, who really, by rights, should be just shot in the head and left by the side of the road, so that they can go on to rule the world, like God intended them to.

Every part of a country should get a fair shake. One part of the country should not be a predator on the others, but this separation talk is a disease that could ruin everything for everybody. Don't kid yourselves WA. Negotiate fair deals, yes. But stow the separation talk, and don't be so quick to throw the rest of the country away as garbage.

A rainy day can come to WA too.

edit on 20-5-2012 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)

While I agree with what you said, however, the situation in Australia is different. Its not WA thats preying on the rest of Australia its the Southern states preying on WA.

Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Anyways...Australia has the potential to be a Great Country...but not necessarily the will.

Australia has always had the potential to be a great and powerful nation. However it is not the will which is holding Australia back, it is the rule of Britain and the USA.

No, it is lack of will. It's also lack of intelligence.

reply to post by petrus4


With a population of 20 million and 1 sq kilometer per person, why would they want to change?

Intelligent people choose to live in Australia.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


Not too sure how that would pan out to be honest with you, the military is a Federal entity regardless of where you are stationed in Australia so in effect the military would be gearing up to fight itself.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Anyways...Australia has the potential to be a Great Country...but not necessarily the will.

Australia has always had the potential to be a great and powerful nation. However it is not the will which is holding Australia back, it is the rule of Britain and the USA.

No, it is lack of will. It's also lack of intelligence.

Piss off and stop trolling. There is heaps of evidence showing that Britain and the USA have held Australia back from reaching great potential.

Originally posted by Funk bunyip
How about you stop the whinging WA and share the wealth with all Australians, we're in this together and the whole country needs infrastructure upgrades, not just WA.

This is socialist speak. What you're advocating is that WA should take more risks and work harder than the rest of the states. Do you think that is a sustainable and fair mindset to expect one state to pull most of the weight and get less of the reward? What is NSW Capitol of the Hunger Games?

Wow, I never knew people in WA are so bitter and childish.

Makes me wish we were more of a militarized country, so we could turn the place into a giant labor camp working in the mines. At least then we wouldn't have to put up with the constant whining and crying about how they are neglected and how Canberra robs them of their wealth.

WA is one of the states that is better off then the rest.
If a few of them over there are that greedy that they think they deserve more then everyone else from Canberra, then let them try and get more from Canberra, or let them try and break away from federation.

The majority of people in WA are smart enough to know that on their own they will not succeed.

Is there even a movement for an independent WA as a country anymore?
LOL

Give it a few more years, probably half of the WA population will be people from the east coast of Australia moving over to work in the mines for big money.

reply to post by gps777


Well I guess you'd have to ask WA and QLD that when they come crawling with their hand out ?

Mega millions spent on communities, compared to mega billions in profit................its the least they could do. And isn't putting mega millions back in to the community only fair affair taking all the communities natural resources ?

I'm not implying that the Governemnt are angels, i'm just saying that if a company can take a countries natural resources for its own profit, then they should be the most heavily taxed companies of all, and not to make idle threats just to get your own way.

You say the Government penalises hard working people for succeeding, but hasnt that been happening to every hard working person in every industry earning a wage or salary since the economy began ? And going by the body size of the average Australian mining magnate, i'd say they haven't seen a hard days work in years, but thats just my opinion.

Add together the personal wealth of Andrew Forrest, Nathan Tinkler, Clive Palmer and Gina Reinhart, and compare that to how much goes back into the community !

reply to post by calnorak


Don't feel bad I have a degree in Geography and still didn't know what WA was when I first saw it haha....but every time this happens I have to relearn the dang maps!

Originally posted by daaskapital
WA shouldn't cut ties with Canberra. If i were Canberra, i would be pulling out all military bases and forces out of WA just in case they decide to succeed.

Truly, get a grip! We aren't going to take the worst of other countries behaviours, and make it our policy, so every one else feels better about their inequality where they live.

We have vast amounts of inequality anyway (which we work very hard to rectify) without adding fear and military rubbish onto it, our military are one of the most sensible on the planet, don't insult them, by saying they would turn on citizens because of a border dispute, sheesh!
Do you want us to? Would that make every one else's situation better? Is that's what it takes, then bring it on!!!
If not, and doing the same thing over and over is not okay, we'll handle it a little differently, thanks very much for your valuable opinion though.

Aussies have a culture, and it includes a built in bull sheet alert, free with every birth and boat ride, it's a given.

What a silly thing to say! I hope you get a chance to visit one day, it's truly pretty cool, we get to learn all about other countries by our visitors, we are always friends first, or try very hard to be. Some of us aren't so great, some of us are fantastic, isn't it the same where you are?

Some of you guys though a pretty tough to like let alone love, but we always try our best, not give up, and go berserk, it serves no purpose in the end.

Good luck to you and yours friend and when your visiting check out the Territory too, Tasmania, Victoria, ACT Qld and NSW, all completely different and amazing because of it.

WA is like another country and it is as dynamic as the rest of the planet, how about NO Borders, ANYWHERE?

Where would you go?

I think australia needs a government that see where things are needed. It's so annoying how that dirty old ranga doesn't know how to spend money. Canberra is the most useless place in Australia yet that's where all the money goes.
All of the GST should stay in the area where it originates from.
I live in toowoomba. It's the life line to all the mines in the Bowen basin yet the govt won't spend the money to run the warrego highway around the city. Instead, over 2000 trucks and over 10000 cars go through toowoomba each day.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


Actually we used to call East Coasters, Banana benders, and yes it's a long way separated from Qld, but just as beautiful and dynamic and worth seeing.

Water is their main problem, vineyards were more important than the table waters for far too long, where most people in WA live.
You want water? The only time WA get's a generous amount is with a generous cyclone.

Stay connected....take your chances.....?

Fancy life not being about choices?!

How silly would that be?

Originally posted by camo1010
I think australia needs a government that see where things are needed. It's so annoying how that dirty old ranga doesn't know how to spend money. Canberra is the most useless place in Australia yet that's where all the money goes.
All of the GST should stay in the area where it originates from.
I live in toowoomba. It's the life line to all the mines in the Bowen basin yet the govt won't spend the money to run the warrego highway around the city. Instead, over 2000 trucks and over 10000 cars go through toowoomba each day.

Your local government is NOT working for it's people, or you're not....you choose.

Originally posted by AussieDingus
Well I guess you'd have to ask WA and QLD that when they come crawling with their hand out ?

No need to wait if your only talking only about the states,the states have had their hands out expecting fair treatment already

Mega millions spent on communities, compared to mega billions in profit................its the least they could do.

Good on them,wow just imagine if they used their own money toward more industry putting more Aussies in work around the country,instead of it going to extra taxs being put on them to give hand outs as the Gov see`s fit.

And isn't putting mega millions back in to the community only fair affair taking all the communities natural resources ?

Heck many of the comunities are only there because of the mining companies.

I'm not implying that the Governemnt are angels, i'm just saying that if a company can take a countries natural resources for its own profit, then they should be the most heavily taxed companies of all, and not to make idle threats just to get your own way.

The owners of the companies were pissed at the Gov`s new taxs (hope that they don`t push them too far as we know the Gov can get greeder,then we`ll really be in the crapper),barnett is only asking back whats fair to WA.If its an idle threat (which I agree) don`t worry about it then.

You say the Government penalises hard working people for succeeding, but hasnt that been happening to every hard working person in every industry earning a wage or salary since the economy began ?

Yep as far back as I know,hard work and extra long hours should be rewarded better than what it is imo.

And going by the body size of the average Australian mining magnate, i'd say they haven't seen a hard days work in years, but thats just my opinion.

well maybe only a shovel in their hands for front page pics,if thats what you mean by hard work,then yeah I`d have to agree.Though I`m also sure they are at it more than most as far as business is concerned.

Add together the personal wealth of Andrew Forrest, Nathan Tinkler, Clive Palmer and Gina Reinhart, and compare that to how much goes back into the community !

I don`t want to judge what they do with their own money,I`m sure they give plenty,I`m also sure every other Australian would not want to have all their finances scrutinised to see how much they do for everyone else.

Gillard must be on a pretty good wicket compared to the average Aussie how much should she be giving back and so on.

But what I think should be happening is not stopping at just refining the ore into brickets and go all the way and sell the steel or mostly the product made from the steel.Rather than just digging holes and selling our dirt and buying it back in the form of product.Though I`ve been saying that for thirty years and can`t see that happening anytime soon.But it would be great for all states and industries,Aussies have got the know how there just needs incentives for the companies not to flee over seas.

This headline in the OP didn`t even make it on the news,so its just a storm in a tea cup.

But its been fun throwing mud pies from east to west and vice versa,go Aussies

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


Hey Crimson... here's an idea.

Why don't you guys in WA join with us over here in NZ??

You bring all your resources and mining, we'll throw in all our un-mined Gold, Silver, Copper etc, plus our FTA with China!

We'll have Canberra (and the rest of Aussie) surrounded! Geographically and economically!

You gotta admit... it's got potential!

HA HA - can't believe this thread is still going.

Can't we just all kiss and make up. Life is much easier that way.

Peace Out - Remember we are all one brothers and sisters.

Originally posted by omega man
What we all need to do is unite, we are playing right into the divisional trap that they want us in through seperation.

You can not divide something you can not define

but good luck to them anyway...

Originally posted by Funk bunyip
reply to post by omega man

 

Dunno off the top of my head

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