Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Haw

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by dawnstar
michelle saying he was born in kenya,

Except Michelle never actually said that.... so what is your source for that claim? Let me guess, a birther site!

Originally posted by AllIsOne
First of all the lynching days are over.

Not according to birthers, several have made the same demands here that they want Obama lynched...

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

One former state Hawaii employee signed a sworn affidavit that no long form birth certificate exists.

www.presidentialfield.com...

Why don't you prove him wrong?

Why has the Arizona Secretary of State been waiting 8 weeks to get an email confirming that the Hawaii Department of Health has Obama's Birth Certificate? Could someone be afraid of lying to a SOS now that this guy has stuck his neck out and claimed the contrary to be true? I would be.

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams

I didn't know elections clerk had access to everyones long form birth certificate. But let's look at his claim a little more.

he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

So he signed an affidavit that someone told him something....are you kidding me...this is what you use as proof???

Not to mention that if this person really knows this information first hand, somehow gaining access to two hospitals medical records...he broke many laws...and the hospital should be in huge trouble for HIPPA violations.

But let's continue:

Adams was employed at the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division from May 2008 through September 2008.

He was employed for 5 months...but you take him for an expert on all government documents. And he is swearing that this unnamed "supervisor" told him all this information.


Is this honestly what you take as proof...a second hand source from an unknown "supervisor" from a many who was a freaking elections clerk for 5 months???

Truly pathetic.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Prove he's an "honest politician"!

Go on.

Prove theres such a thing as an honest politician. Come on i guarantee youll never find a politician that wasnt caught lying somewhere.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


why would I agree seeing it's been 48 years since the JFK shooting, that has been going on longer then the birther movement (yet it originates from the same era, odd that)

To say one is not the same as the other yet they have about the same length of time in essence makes no LOGICAL sense.

it was the era of the cover up, no??

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Someone who is honest doesn't lie rather simple and yep there is some intellectual dishonesty here.

Thanks

Seriously...take some logic and reasoning classes.


Do you honestly think that since I said I don't have the required information to make a claim that Obama is an honest politician, that this means I am claiming he is a liar???

Please...go look up the False Dilemma logic fallacy...educate yourself a bit.

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Thanks more proof Obama is a Liar!!

I concur!

Originally posted by MsAphrodite
Except Michelle never actually said that.... so what is your source for that claim? Let me guess, a birther site!

"You don't have any evidence that supports the statement "michelle saying he was born in kenya", because the youtube video you posted doesn't say that. She says his home country is Kenya, but so what?"


Why repost that video, why not answer the above question posted before?

reply to post by OutKast Searcher




Wow if he aint an honest politician there is only one other thing he is

A Liar!

Originally posted by thedigirati
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

why would I agree seeing it's been 48 years since the JFK shooting, that has been going on longer then the birther movement (yet it originates from the same era, odd that)

To say one is not the same as the other yet they have about the same length of time in essence makes no LOGICAL sense.

it was the era of the cover up, no??

No, you seem to not be grasping the concept.

For an assasination...how many people would need to know about it? 5? 10?

To create a huge hoax that Obama was born in Hawaii when he was actually born in Keny...how many people would have to know? Hundreds or thousands of people.

I really can't believe I'm having this conversation...it is beyond illogical.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


really? thousands would need to know?? sorry but [citation please]. it only took a few hours to change a news story, or did you over look that? how many thousands did it take to change and edit that??

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
One former state Hawaii employee signed a sworn affidavit that no long form birth certificate exists.

www.presidentialfield.com...

Why don't you prove him wrong?

It has already been shown that he had no access to birth records... why ignore that?
www.thefogbow.com...

As you can see in the affidavit, Adams' story changed in several ways over the seven months since he told it to the white supremacist radio hosts. By January 2011, it turns out that Adams was only a senior elections clerk, not the chief elections clerk. He adds that no Honolulu hospital has any record of President Obama's birth, and he says he worked "through September 2008," not that he left in August. Most important, he now makes clear that he is relating double hearsay: "Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division (in other words, local officials) further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires [sic] about Sen. Obama's birth records ..."

Why has the Arizona Secretary of State been waiting 8 weeks to get an email confirming that the Hawaii Department of Health has Obama's Birth Certificate?

Sure about that? Is an email the right way to access that information from Hawaii?

Yeah, he claimed he was told by other people in the office there was no record. Sorry, I haven't had time to read the MSM attack on his credibility.

Arizona Secretary of State Threatens to Remove Obama from Ballot
www.whitehousedossier.com...

he said, does not have to supply a certified copy of the birth certificate, merely send him an email confirming that it has one.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

Wow if he aint an honest politician there is only one other thing he is

A Liar!

This is the DEFINITION of a false delimma.


And please try to understand this...I'm not making a claim one way or the other.

But hell...let's use your false logic to see why it is a fallacy.

I'm not making a claim that he is a liar...which using your logic implies he is honest.

I'm also not making a claim that he is honest...which using your logic implies he is a liar.


So there you have it...your illogical thought process demonstrated....you are saying he is both a liar and he is honest.




Please stop...I'm embarrassed for you.

Originally posted by mwood
It does not matter where he was born at this point. They (whoever they are) have bypassed the Constitution and set a precedent that may change the future of our laws forever.

People who believe he is greater than sliced bread will not accept that he was here illegally and should have not been qualified to run for President of the USA. Hell, some of his supporters have told me they DON"T CARE where he is from or if he is here legally because he is the best president this country has ever had.
If that's not delusional I don't know what is.........

That Constitutional requirement was put there to be sure no people that had foreign birth / loyalties could be elected to run this country and subsequently run it into the ground intentionally.
That day has passed long ago and my opinion, he is doing one hell of a job proving the framers right for putting those requirements in there.

I believe it should be investigated and if proved he was not eligible he should be charged with treason, espionage and prosecute to the full extent of the law. Find him a nice room at GITMO.

Imagine what national secrets / top secrets he is privy to being the president. The most successful foreign spy in the history of the US.

I wouldn't be beyond tossing a rope in the nearest tall tree but that would be too fast and merciful.

And if can be PROVEN he is innocent then so be it.

edit on 17-5-2012 by mwood because: (no reason given)

edit on 17-5-2012 by mwood because: (no reason given)

I agree that he should be tried for treason, etc., etc., if it is found that he is truly not a natural-born citizen, but for anyone to think he's doing a great job of running the nation into the ground, well, I can understand that if you weren't here before 2009. Obama has done a terrible job destroying the nation compared to his predecessor. I think our worst presidents of all time were Bush Jr,. Bush Sr, Obama, and Reagan (not coincidentally, they're the 4 who most contributed to our debt -by far)
Taking a realist view, however, he certainly hasn't done a great job. Its been kind of like a 1200-lb woman losing 50 lbs - big deal, but an active foreign agent tryi g to destroy us from within? Actually, I do believe that, but I think W was doing a much better job of it. Did it really make sense to plug in someone who could so easily be disbelieved as natural-born citizen, when there are hundreds of anti-american republicans and democrats in state and federal government who could have worked out just as well?

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Yeah, he claimed he was told by other people in the office there was no record.

You never even read the post....

he claimed he was told by someone who was told by someone else there was no record...

Originally posted by thedigirati
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

really? thousands would need to know?? sorry but [citation please]. it only took a few hours to change a news story, or did you over look that? how many thousands did it take to change and edit that??

Well for Birthers crazy theories to be true...we have all the people that witnessed his birth in Kenya...we have people who deleted flight records and INS records...we have people that got him a fake SSN...we have people at the hospital in Hawaii where he was born to all pretend there are records there when there aren't any...we have all the people in college that Obama knew while apparently he dropped the hoax and walked around claiming he was born in Hawaii...we have all the family and friends of the family that knew he was born in Kenya...we have all the people involved in forging the multiple documents that Birthers claim he has...we have people in the Hawaiian government currently claiming they have seen his records...we have people in the Illinois government who verified his background to be a state senator...and we have the people on the board that approved him elgible to run as POTUS.

Nah...not too many people at all....and I'm sure I missed a bunch in order to make Birthers claims work.

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Yeah, he claimed he was told by other people in the office there was no record.

You never even read the post....

he claimed he was told by someone who was told by someone else there was no record...

Anonymous third hand information....this is Birthers bread and butter.

This they will take as fact no questions asked...but a Hawaiian official that does have access to these records...they are lying of course

reply to post by neo96


neo that also says that everyone you suppoer are liars and you might as well give up the little propaganda war you wage here every day of your life.

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Holy Moly Anon!!! your thread has exploded!!! Congrats on that and even a bigger thank you for authoring this into a thread that has been able to provoke so much discussion. It's is really great to see this subject has not been brushed off as if a final verdict has been reached and agreed on by the majority of folks interested.

One thing that has kind of stuck in the back of my mind, since the 'Obama U.S.A. Citizenship' controversy first made it's way into mainstream debate, is what would happen if Obama does indeed complete his term successfully. Could investigations take place after his term as POTUS has expired, without announcing intent to investigate before his term as the U.S.A. POTUS ends?

Would completion of his term as POTUS establish precedent, paving the way for an amendment that could allow future non-citizens the ability to campaign for and hold the office of the United States' President?

What are the possible consequences if it is discovered that the Obama camp, and Obama himself, perpetrated lies to the American public in order to gain, and maintain the position of POTUS?

Is it even a possibility that such actions could establish legal precedent?

If it's discovered he had been, not only, lying about his citizenship, but he is also loyal to another country, using his political power and resources to advance a his pledged country's agenda - what consequences would he most likely be eligible to have applied to him, theoretically thinking of course?

Hope these questions aren't overly redundant, I was unable to keep up with the incredible expansion of your thread and only read about the first thousand pages, haha, just kidding. I really did only make it about 12-14 pages deep.

Thanks again for everything you put into the production of this thread.


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so in all about 10-15 people, and what about the recently edited news story, you seemed to gloss over that fact. I'm by no means a birther, but you not thinking this logically enough.

I severed in the military, holding high rank never meant they knew what the lower ranks were doing at any given time, unless they were told.

I could see how this could be pulled off logically after the fact. I also wonder how a low level researcher would remember someone that was of no merit years later...


there is too much "scrubbing" that is going on in the last few days for logic not to dictate "something" is going on.


"or he could have been born in Hawaii"

and not born in Kenya

or he could have been born in Kenya

or he could have lied to get into Harvard and got his tuition paid for.......


it's one or the other, in either case, he is a fraud