Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Haw

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by sonnny1

 

So, somehow to you Obama made birthers come out of the wood work for 4 years straight?

Assumptions much ? Did I say that ?

Obama is always going to be scrutinized before and after his Presidency.

One liners arnt going to get much dialog back from me. I would love to hear your take on NDAA and Obama resigning the Patriot act.........



Unfortunately,I can already here your excuse though.....We are not talking about that,we are talking about the birth issue.

I put ALL of Obama's inconsistency's into one basket,and I am willing to share my views on it. You? Not so much......

reply to post by sonnny1


You did say you thought Obama was intentionaly using this as a political tool.. That was not an assumption just going off what you said..

You might have missed my previous post for you so i will add it here also..

You mention NDAA alot, this might make you feel better.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

*Edit to add* Obama has already said why he wont release more.. The state of Hawaii has said there bit, what he has released he was simply attacked for.. At the end of the day they could have a video of his birth and some would still say it a fraud.. I might also add that so far the official evidence says Obama born right where he said he was, has that helped anything? No.. People just go off the same conspirecy propaganda.. There is not one single real fact that Obama born anywhere else other then misquotes, typos etc.

So this latest claim has been thouroughly debunked and put to bed.

The agent never talked to Obama or even spoke to him at all.

This is basically a big dissapointment for the anti Obama crowd.

The good news is Obama is polling ahead.

And more good news is Obama's economy is continuing to improve.

reply to post by BlueStatePatriot


And the same people continue it here, even though it been debunked.. That is why this will never end, no matter how much proof people put out that Obama was born where he claims.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by sonnny1

 

You did say you thought Obama was intentionaly using this as a political tool.. That was not an assumption just going off what you said..

You might have missed my previous post for you so i will add it here also..

You mention NDAA alot, this might make you feel better.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

*Edit to add* Obama has already said why he wont release more.. The state of Hawaii has said there bit, what he has released he was simply attacked for.. At the end of the day they could have a video of his birth and some would still say it a fraud.

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Hmmmm.

Did you add your TAKE in that thread? I looked,but couldn't find it.

And what I said was this.

For those like me,who believe he was born here, and would only like to see if Obama wasn't using the whole Kenyan thing,as a soapbox,to further his career.

Hes at his pinnacle,for his career,don't you think ? Past tense,is what I meant. Just Clarifying that for you.
I dont think it could further help his career,just prove what some had thought all along.

reply to post by sonnny1


*edit sorry misread*

I havent been the one going on about NDAA.. You say that is one of the issues you hold, i thought it might help.. Or do you just not want to hear it??

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by sonnny1

 

*edit sorry misread*

I havent been the one going on about NDAA.. You say that is one of the issues you hold, i thought it might help.. Or do you just not want to hear it??

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I sure as hell want to hear your take on it.....

Most definitely...

reply to post by sonnny1


No answer i see, i am used to that with you.


Anyway, you might want to answer in the other thread so we can stay on topic here... I'll keep checking for one, but i wont hold my breath.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by BlueStatePatriot

 

And the same people continue it here, even though it been debunked.. That is why this will never end, no matter how much proof people put out that Obama was born where he claims.

Well we have the facts on our side and we have the truth.

They will go down in a huge defeat Nov 2nd.

Just can't wait to see Obama sworn in for second term.

We cannot allow these Tea Party terrorists to continue destroying our country.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by sonnny1

 

No answer i see, i am used to that with you.

Anyway, you might want to answer in the other thread so we can stay on topic here... I'll keep checking for one, but i wont hold my breath.

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Answer to what?



I would love to hear your take on NDAA!

What is it ???

reply to post by sonnny1


I never spoke of NDAA either way, I only gave you the link because you kept bringing it up, stop attempting to derail the thread and the matters at hand. By the way i reported you in the other thread already for not being on topic.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by rockinground

 

I have seen no real data that says Obama was not born in Hawaii.. I have seen FACTS that say Obama was born in Hawaii..

Facts. Who needs facts?

Before the Constitution used the term "natural-born citizen" the closest reference we have is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. "The Law of Nations," was widely known and respected by the founding fathers, and therefore the "Vattel argument" makes the case that this term means an individual born of two citizens. And since one must be a NBC to be president and Barack Obama's father was not, as everyone acknowledges, a U.S. citizen, then this make Obama INELIGIBLE.

But wait, there is more...

John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 to two US citizen parents. Still, McCain’s eligibility was challenged at two different lawsuits were filed. The US Senate took up a resolution (S. Res. 511) that declared John McCain a natural born citizen. The resolution, it just so happens, was sponsored by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, passed unanimously.

goo.gl...

If we accept that statutory law can be used to provide for uniform naturalization, this is still not how the term "natural born" is to be understood, under common law practices it is limited to being born on soil (the LAND). In the case of McCain, US military base is considered US soil. However, if the US can make 'natural born citizens' through statutory law and retroactively then the term "natural born" loses any meaning. Regardless, it is of much significance to me that Congress investigated and vetted McCain but failed the do anything with Obama. The cry for investigation into Obama’s eligibility was far far greater than that of McCain and yet Congress did nothing. Perhaps Congress refused to investigate Obama due to political reasons and fear of racism. What ever the reasons, it seem obvious to me that both McCain and Hillary knew full well of Obama’s eligiblity problem and that the resolution was a deal to keep McCain quiet about the issue (at one point, in the heat of battle, Hillary did bring it up, but then prompting dropped the issue).

Under the Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen if he were born in Kenya, unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old--or if were placed under Fourteenth Amendment jurisdiction by some other means (such as the resolution he and Hilary granted McCain). However, this changed, The Immigration and Nationality Corrections Act (Public Law 103-416) on October 25, 1994 revised this law to accommodate “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”.

But in 1961, if Barack Obama had been born outside of the country, the Dunham family had no way of knowing that in 1994 Congress would pass a law that would retroactively make him a citizen. A reasonable person would acknowledge that there are serious reasons to doubt that Barack Obama was born in the United States. This is especially true because, if Obama was born in a foreign country, his family had a compelling reason to lie about it. In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

People can debate the meaning of the term “natural-born citizen” as long as they like but this is clear: If, in 1961, 17 year old Ann Dunham gave birth to a child on foreign soil whose father was not an American citizen, then the Immigration and Nationality Act at that time denied Barack Obama any right to American citizenship. Therefore if at the time of his birth Obama was ineligible for American citizenship of any kind, then he cannot be a “natural-born citizen”. This is true even if the Immigration and Nationality Act was changed 33 years after he was born.

The big question is this: Can the law be retroactively changed to grant citizenship (AND “natural-born” citizenship) to someone, who had at birth been denied it? If we look to the case of McCain it would seem the answer to question is yes. How is that legal? I think the answer rests in Fourteenth Amendment jurisdiction, under it the common law ceases to have any meaning or application to Obama or anyone else.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by sonnny1

 

I never spoke of NDAA either way, I only gave you the link because you kept bringing it up, stop attempting to derail the thread and the matters at hand. By the way i reported you in the other thread already for not being on topic.

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Im scared. I told you here also. I put ALL of Obama's inconsistency's into one basket.

You have a great night.

A reasonable person would acknowledge that there are serious reasons to doubt that Barack Obama was born in the United States.reply to post by wasaka




What are those reasons? I only see alot of "if"s and no facts to say he was or was not.

reply to post by sonnny1


sonny, so far you havent answered many questions.. Other then answering them with other questions.. Sleepwell.

Originally posted by BlueStatePatriot
So this latest claim has been thouroughly debunked and put to bed.

The agent never talked to Obama or even spoke to him at all.

This is basically a big dissapointment for the anti Obama crowd.

The good news is Obama is polling ahead.

And more good news is Obama's economy is continuing to improve.

It's ALL about Perception though isn't it ??

The "Agent" could very well have talked to or corresponded with Obama himself to verify the Kenya info. We don't really know that do we ?

Since when does admitting a mistake make her "admission" true ?

I think she has been paid off to admit she "made a mistake".

I don't think the booklet bio was an error at the time.


"They" are scrambling for their very existence right now.

Panic !!

It's all about what People think, nothing else.

Right now, the Obama Campaign is Very Very worried about what People are "thinking"

reply to post by sonnny1




excellent post my friend, I have noticed that those who, quite reasonably and commendably, wish to scrutinise the most powerful leader in the world do so with reason and considered discussion, whilst the Obama defenders tend to go into irrational, demonising, hate filled mode "birther", "racist" etc etc

Obviously that is not an absoloute and people on both sides can be irrational, but that definitely seems to be the pattern

reply to post by xuenchen




also, I would have believed her if she said

"it was 20 years ago, I was working on dozens of bios, how the hell could I remember if this was an error or not"

That makes sense, what she said makes NO sense and actually strengthens the argument for scrutinising Obama- whether he is a deceiver, whether he was born elsewhere etc

reply to post by blueorder


I find it odd that you believe the origional article that she did but she when she expands on the issue you no longer belive her.

And birthers have done everything to make the name birther for 4 years now.. I dont see an issue with the name birther as it is not a negative word, only negative actions in the group. If you have an issue with it i would be more annoyed with those negative actions then the word birther.

Originally posted by xuenchen
It's ALL about Perception though isn't it ??

And the perception is birthers are really silly people, pushing stupid conspiracy theories!

They are scrambling for their very existence right now.

Vey true, more and more people are realising how racist some birthers actually are, and how silly the remainder are.

Right now, the Obama Campaign is Very Very worried about what People are "thinking"

Not really, with nutters like poor Orly Taitz losing every birther court case she runs with (even losing to a empty table) all they are worrying about is what to serve as an entrée at Obama's 2nd Inaugural Luncheon in 2013