Alert: Possible Terror-related activity in NW Ohio

reply to post by spoonbender


Star for you for posting something by the Kinks!

If they were 'terrorists'....you wouldn't be alive to tell the story. They would have taken those Uzi's....sprayed the entire place with bullets....stole what ever weapons were available...and gone on a shooting spree, around town. Not THAT'S terrorism. Sounds to me, like the word "terror" has got you "terrorized". Terror, Terror, TERROR!!!! raaaaaaaaah-hahahahahahhaha

reply to post by Furbs


Whatever........ you know nothing of me. It's fairly obvious that when it comes to modern international Islamic Terrorism that is it perpetrated by young Muslim men, predominantly from the Arabian Peninsula. If you want to stick you head in the ground, go ahead. If I were to see a group of "Middle Eastern looking" men take photos of a nuclear plant, then yes, I would report that. Sorry, that doesn't make me a racist, just observant and aware.

BTW, just so you know, I had to call the police at my establishment where I worked on the evening of 9/12/01 when a group of drunk white guys were surrounding and harassing two Saudi guys who were at my bar. I physically had to step between them to prevent the drunk white guys from starting something stupid till the police arrived.

I also have had to shut up a group harassing some Sikh guys, just for their head wear. They were shocked that the guys weren't even Muslim or Arabic.

Please don't play the racist card without all your facts, Thank You.

reply to post by garberinc


Middle eastern men like American men, like guns, and like shooting guns.

Get over it. Theyre human beings too....im pretty sure if some terrorists wanted to do some target practice, theyd head home and pop a few civilians for sport, or go back to theyre top secret mountain hide out....they arent at all stupid...

LET ME DEBUNK THIS!

People provide tip offs to the FBI and other law enforcement/inelegance agencies all the time so it is perfectly possible that the OP did indeed contact the FBI about this. Most of these public tip offs are investigated but most amount to members of the public being paranoid or there being a more innocent explanation as to why your neighbour is bulk buying bleach for example. It is therefore entirely possible that the OP had indeed contacted the FBI about the incident reported in his first post.

However I am still cautiously sceptical about his account of what happened, I suspect that the OP is lying and hear is why…..

The first issue I take with the OPs account of what happened is that it appears that it is mostly based on circumstantial racial profiling. All we really have here is four men going on a shooting range after that everything about them that the OP has described is entirely circumstantial and based on stereotypes of Saudi Arabian students. The fact that they only had Saudi visa’s in the new wallets and crisp cash means nothing as does the fact that one or more of them appeared to be proficient with weapons is also meaningless it does not mean they are “terrorists”. Also the OPs account is a third hand account of what happened this does make these specific details somewhat questionable.

What I find most suspicious about the OPs testimony is the amount of information the FBI have allegedly provided him with. I find it highly unlikely that the FBI would tell him that “they are in training” or tell his friend about the fact that the university did not have any students on their campus on a Saudi visa. It just seems like too many details to provide in what should be a sensitive investigation, I find it difficult to believe they gave the OP all of this information.

That takes me to the biggest problem I have with the OP’s claims that the FBI informed his friend that the university denied that they had any students studying on a student visa from Saudi Arabia. As I have already said I find it very hard to believe that the FBI would give such specific details but I have a bigger problem. I am going to assume that the OP is talking about Toledo university Ohio, that is a university with 23,000 students, and the university even has a “Saudi club” society for students from Saudi Arabia just check out these links.

www.facebook.com...
www.saudiclubut.org...
toledo.collegiatelink.net...


Now OP, are you really expecting us to believe that a university with a “Saudi club” society isn’t going to have any students studying on a Saudi Visa?

I think that effectively proves that the OP is lying about the information provided to him by the FBI, this leads me to doubt his entire story and this coupled with my other doubts leads me to conclude that this entire story is a fabrication.

And that was TheOtherSideOfTheCoin.

Originally posted by pavil
Please don't play the racist card without all your facts, Thank You.

The facts are that you present yourself as a racist by making racist comments. Most people that make racist comments are racists. It is called stereotyping, but some call it profiling. Pretty cool, eh?

Thanks for posting...I do not live far from the Fermi plant that you spoke of. Security is extremely tight at the plant. I have a friend whose father is an engineer there. He has been working there for years, and it is unlikely that anyone that does not work there can gain access, lets hope...

reply to post by garberinc


I would really love it for you to respond to my above post as I have pointed out a massive flaw in your OP and shown at the very least you have lied about what the FBI said about there being no students with a Saudi visa at the university

I just want to know what rural gun range has a supply of uzis for target practice. They specifically asked for an uzi.. and he had them?

Not saying story isn't true.. might be.. but seems rather overly detailed.. and convenient.

Originally posted by PaTommyJ
reply to post by Sahabi

 

Chilling.
Four hour 15 minute drive to Chicago....
G8 Summit begins this weekend....
Protesters in danger, I wonder???

G8 summit was in the UK on 7/7 Attach
So good shout out.

Shauny

Originally posted by fleabit
I just want to know what rural gun range has a supply of uzis for target practice. They specifically asked for an uzi.. and he had them?

Not saying story isn't true.. might be.. but seems rather overly detailed.. and convenient.

Not only an Uzi, an American Uzi… in a VERY rural gun range.

I am more concerned about what is going on at the gun range on a day to day basis than anything the OP brought up about the 'arabs'.

Originally posted by Shadowalker
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

To practice with a long barrel Uzi. Much different from a real one and handle very different.

The kind they would handle here.

Long-barreled Uzis are crap. Don't get me wrong - the Uzi in it's original configuration is one of the most effective and efficient weapons ever devised for it's intended purpose, but when you double that barrel length, things start going wrong. balance and handling are affected. That wrap-around bolt is like that to keep the center of gravity right over your hand, and minimize climbing and jumping. Double the barrel length, and all that goes out the window. Portability and concealability are affected adversely. That's the reason for the long barrel to begin with - to make them easier for ATF to spot.

If "terrorists" are preferentially opting for a long-barreled Uzi, their terrorist training on the Old Sod didn't take very well - it makes them look like Keystone Kops.

Long barreled Uzis and related firearms (Hi-Point "carbines", TEC-9's, etc) are just toys for rich boys. They give the wielder a feeling of being "cool" at the expense of effective practical deployment. I don't know who the jackass is that though pistol caliber rifles were a good idea, but I'm sure he's related to the guy that started making H2 Hummers, then thought pastel colors like bright yellow would go well with "bad boy toys" for the civilian market so that Joe Six Pack could ride around in his big tough machine and be all manner of "badass".

Seriously, if you're going to employ a long barreled Uzi, why not just go with an AK or a civilian copy of an M-4. Same size, badder rifle-caliber bullets!

"Terrorists" these days appear to be operating by the ATF playbook - just get something that LOOKS "badass", and don't worry over effectiveness - the intended effect seems to be more scaring the bejesus out of folks who only know guns by a general shape, rather than any specific criminal activity. maybe if they get skeert enough, they'll DEMAND the repeal of the Second Amendment!

It's always for the children anyhow, ain't it?

I highly doubt that the FBI folks would tell you they have been arresting terrorists in Toledo and it not be known to anyone else in the country. They had a terror plot in Toledo back in 2007 where they grab 3 guys. Whats the name of the gun range? Message me the number I want to confirm that FBI agents were there asking about these 4 "Arab" men. No offence OP but I call bulls**t on this story m8.Im all for reporting dodgey folks but this is just im sorry IMO not true if you ask me man. You should stay with me in Providences' West End , you'd be sitting on the phone to FBI all day!

Originally posted by fleabit
I just want to know what rural gun range has a supply of uzis for target practice. They specifically asked for an uzi.. and he had them?

Not saying story isn't true.. might be.. but seems rather overly detailed.. and convenient.

Just about any of them. The very FIRST one of these long-barreled Uzis I ever saw was in a roadside gun shop up in the boonies in the mountains of Tazewell County, Va, in 1983. Little gun shop in a steel building in a wide spot of a rural road. Walked in with a couple of friends, and there was a quasi-Uzi. Same gun, IMI manufactured, but a gawdawful long barrel.

It offended my sense of propriety and aesthetics.

Originally posted by FenderWolf
Real terrorist ask for AK's.

I prefer the AK myself, but the UZI design makes it preferable for concealable but effective firepower.

Especially if its a small group moving through a building, hallways, doorways, etc...

This is very reminiscent to the alleged terror suspects who were"training" prior to 9/11. They appeared to be students, and were interested in flight schools.

Maybe they've given up on the whole airplane thing. The TSA has become its own terror group.

Did anyone notice that BiggerPicture got banned? His post are in pages 1 & 2 and he must have stepped on somebodys toes! His last post where on this thread...

Originally posted by Shadowalker
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

No actually once they are built long barrel here they cant be exported.

But your right, they could have a similar one built there.

But then again terror cells cant get away with anything if everyone knows whats going on.

You mean "can't be legally exported". the gun hasn't been built that can't be exported or imported - it's just not always legal. Terrorist types are not known for their proclivity to follow the laws, however.

I see we have a lot of politically correct wussies on this thread.
Not reporting what you consider to be suspicious persons could be the biggest mistake you ever made.

Wasn't it said that the University that they allegedly attended had no record of them?

Didn't the 911 event burn it into our brains that brown people from wherever may be terrorists?

Profiling? Yes, of course. This is obviously necessary.
If you have bought into the propaganda that "profiling" is a bad thing You have once again been suckered into being Politically Correct.

reply to post by garberinc


As they've been saying, if we SEE something, we need to SAY something. If the people who trained the 9-11 hijackers to fly had stopped to think about how weird that someone would only want to learn to take off but not land a plane and reported it, maybe 9-11 would've been prevented. OP, great job!!! Way to go!!!