Alert: Possible Terror-related activity in NW Ohio

reply to post by PrinceDreamer


While I agree some of what was said is suspect, do not discount it because you think Uzi's are inferior weapons. In fact, Uzi's are very accurate weapons, very effective and very deadly when a stock is attached to them and fire discipline is used. They are in effect a shoulder fired weapon that way, not a hand fired, like a pistol, or the way you see them shoot them in the movies. If they did do that, then yes, I agree, the Uzi is not the right choice. But with the addition of the butt stock, wow, that thing is wicked deadly.

This reminds me of an incident that happened at Lake of the Ozarks a few years back. A boat full of middle eastern men showed up at a marina asking for directions to Bagnell dam in broken english and speaking arabic amongst themselves. They were purposely sent in the wrong direction while the marina owner spread the word. That particular boat was then tailed, blocked, and harrassed by every drunken redneck within a 5 mile radius until they finally gave up, abandoned their boat and left the area.

Were they up to no good? I don't know. Were they unfairly targeted? No, when you belong to a group of people associated with acts of terror it is YOUR responsibility not to do stupid things to raise suspicion. For starters learn to speak english before you show up in redneck party central or at LEAST refrain from speaking arabic. C'mon now!

I think if said men showed up at a gun range here with an uzi they would have been lucky to escape with their guts still in their bellies, much less still packing said uzi. Then they can go back to their countries and tell THAT american story. Might make the little nutsuckers who ARE up to no good think twice before they picked THIS area as their next target...

......and here we go. This OP just wreaks of a government operative trying to persuade people to 'do their job' as civilian police (meaning, work for the government while not getting paid so that you will feel important). This is exactly the type of behavior that the elites want from us. Diligent little do-gooders telling on each other and spying on each other and reporting anything that looks suspicious even though it may just be harmless. You were at a gun range for Pete's sake! If white people came in and did the same thing you wouldn't have thought twice about it I bet. This very same thing happened in Germany before the war. Started with ratting out the Jews and then it went on to retarded people and then ANYONE who looked suspicious were turned in for being "against the state". Neighbors started then turning each other in simply because they were jealous or just simply didn't like each other and they would disappear into an internment camp somewhere. So keep your eyes peeled people, anything that looks, acts or is remotely different from you in any way most likely is a terrorist that you should turn in to our CIA (which, of course are not terrorists and are the "good guys")

reply to post by garberinc


If more anti-terrorist activity consisted of concerned citizens like you being observant and smart there would be less excuse for the intrusions in personal freedom that are commonly excused these days.

Thanks for the post and for setting a good example. Personal responsibility is the antidote.

-rrr

Originally posted by garberinc
Super Mod "Don't Tread on Me" advised to post this here and it will be moved to appropriate forum.

I'm a long time reader, first time poster!

I live in NW Ohio near Toledo in a rural area. Two Sundays ago, a good friend of mine went to a local and very rural gun range to practice his skills. He has his CCW permit and goes there frequently. On this day he was getting ready to shoot, when four "Arabic looking" men came in. They spoke broken English and requested access to the range. As per the rules of the range, they had to provide ID. They each produced Student Visas from Saudi Arabia and said they were attending a university in the area. My friend said each wallet was brand new, had crisp cash in it and the student visa only.
The men requested to shoot an American made Uzi specifically. They said they were new to shooting, and that they never fired and Uzi and wanted to try.
While on the range, my friend watched them. He said one of the men was clearly trained or had experience in using an Uzi or other similar firearm. He said he was center mass on every shot. he said they spoke a lot among themselves in a foreign language and the "leader" was showing the others how to shoot the weapon.
When my friend left, he said the same vehicles were parked outside as when he came in, but the four men were still inside the range shooting. He figures they were dropped off.
There were many red flags, as you can read above. After hearing this info, I couldn't not say anything. I asked my friend to call the FBI tip line, but he said he didn't want to get anyone in trouble, didn't want the gun range owner to be mad at him, or whatever.
I couldn't take it. We have a nuclear power plant in our county, only a few miles from this gun range! So, I called the local FBI office. The agent took all the info and seemed very interested. He said they would send a team to investigate the gun range. I asked him if he has heard of this type of activity in the area. The agent said, "all I can say is that we have made terror related arrests in the Toledo area. This is what they are doing.... they are in training". My jaw dropped. This could be the real deal!
I told my friend this info and now he is on board with reporting it to the FBI. He called the agent and got involved. A few days ago, another FBI agent called my friend and asked a few more questions. He then told my friend that they called the university the four men claimed to have student visas to attend. The university denied have anyone enrolled on a student visa from Saudi Arabia. So, the plot thickens.

I guess the point of this post is to let any ATS readers know in NW Ohio that there definitely is some suspicious activity in our area. Please be vigilant. Please report anything you see that is unusual. The FBI is very interested in any and all tips, no matter how seemingly minute. Who knows if this will amount to anything, but I can sleep better knowing I did my part by reporting it to the authorities.

Thank you for reading. And, it's my first time, so go easy on me!

It seems very unlikely that the FBI agent would actually tell you or your friend anything. He/she should only be gathering information from you, not telling you about arrests or falsified student visas.

If your friend was really that concerned, why didn't he notify the gun range owner. Why not stake out the parking lot and get a license plate number, make/model of the supposed drop off vehicle when it returned. Heck, he could have called the FBI from his cell phone right there at the gun range!

And, the gun range owner should have questioned why they, if new to shooting, wanted to fire a fully automatic weapon! Why not a .22 pistol?

This story bothers me. He admits to having numerous red flags, yet didn't want to get involved? What kind of sense does that make.

I'm saying this story is 100% false.

reply to post by garberinc


I think it's good that you reported it, better to be safe than sorry. If these guy's gun down a bunch of people in a few months you will have a clean conscience. If they were just students and nothing happens then there was no harm done, so agian props to you.

reply to post by reficul


Thats why youd be a terrible agent. The attitude is if it looks suspicious it is suspicious

Its great that we're trying to keep "terrosrists" in check and all, we dont want them killing civilians. But whos keeping us in check? didn't we kill more civilians than terrorists in the war?

reply to post by garberinc


Very interesting choice of weapon, the UZI weighs allot considering the size of the weapon but shooting it full auto and being that accurate is a red flag! OP you did the right thing by calling the FBI, and I am not racial profiling. I have shot the UZI and have been trained on special weapons, If a group of guy's showed up at the range and said they never shot the UZI before and then picked up the weapon and shot it like an ex-Green Beanie, I would have been suspicious too.

P.S. Green Beanie stands for Green Barrett

reply to post by garberinc

My jaw dropped. This could be the real deal!

I see your a complete sucker for MSM propaganda! Well....all I can say is...Have fun fighting those "terrorists" my freind!!!

Op..... Thanks! Here is MY logic with this thread....

We have been told we are at war. We have been told we are at war with " terrorists". Who are these terrorists? These terrorists are the people who claim Jihad on Satan ( America).

Have these terrorists been of Middle Eastern Dissent? Yes!

Are we asked to be vigilent? Yes!

You know there were middles eastern men shooting uzis at a gunrange and were told they had new stuff..... You were also told they went to a specific University which later found out this statement was a lie. What else did they lie about and why did they lie? Maybe they lied because.......? Who knows.

You FELT like telling authorities so if there IS ANYTHING to it..... They, the proffesionals will do their job.

You may have saved many lives and you may have overreacted...... Either way you did what YOU felt is right.

For the ones judging your judgement..... They are not you, they did not have the experience, therefore their opinion nor mine really matters.

I applaud you for being vigilent. That is exactly the kind of neighbors and friends I like to surround myself with.

Originally posted by FenderWolf
Real terrorist ask for AK's.

And surface-to-air missiles, TNT and grenade launchers apparently. They are nothing if not resourceful.

Russia 'foils Islamist plot to attack Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics'

Anti-terror committee says agents have arrested three suspects and found surface-to-air missiles, TNT and grenade launchers.

Russia says it has foiled a plot by Islamist rebels to attack the southern city of Sochi when it hosts the Winter Olympics in 2014.

The country's anti-terror committee said agents from the Federal Security Service (FSB) had arrested three suspected rebels and seized a large cache of weapons during a raid last week in Abkhazia, the Georgian breakaway region that borders Sochi.

"Russia's FSB could establish that militants were planning to move these weapons to Sochi during 2012-2014 to use for terror acts while planning and hosting the Olympic Games," the committee said in a statement.

The Guardian

I sometimes wonder if profiling is a good or bad thing ,on one end we are doing our due-diligence to make sure another "terrorist" attack doesnt happen, but on the other end we are usually wrong 99.9999999% of the time when we do profile and we likely are hurting the good people we are profiling...

I guess what it comes down to is SHOULD we profile people or not?

Unfortunately, I'm truly on the fence with this one... I dont want thousands of americans to die from an attack, but I also dont want to ruin a perfectly good citizens life while they stay here in USA... Tough one for sure...

Originally posted by jhn7537
I sometimes wonder if profiling is a good or bad thing

,on one end we are doing our due-diligence to make sure another "terrorist" attack doesnt happen, but on the other end we are usually wrong 99.9999999% of the time when we do profile and we likely are hurting the good people we are profiling...

I guess what it comes down to is SHOULD we profile people or not?

Unfortunately, I'm truly on the fence with this one... I dont want thousands of americans to die from an attack, but I also dont want to ruin a perfectly good citizens life while they stay here in USA... Tough one for sure...

edit on 18-5-2012 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)

If the suspected terrorists are wanting the death of satan and they look middle eastern ..... Profiling may have to be had in order to save thousands of lives. If a report is had and there is no wrong doing...Then it will not ruin anyones life and they will remain a citizen.

By reading the op..... What kind of information were they asked to provide? What did they have on them to provide?

I will go ahead and answer it for you. The OP states the men only had Visas from Saudi. No ID, yet they stated they attended a University.... Which was later found out to be a lie.

This wouldn't be Winous Point Shooting Club, by chance?

Would love to track this story if it is true.

This is a thread of fear and propaganda.

I think most of you people here are seriously deluded, and will probably die that way.

God bless you people and may you find some peace and happiness in your short lives.


*You'all need to read, Oh I forgot people don't read anymore, Watch the Film 1984 again, very closely

reply to post by GARN40ish


guilty as charged! i would suck as an agent because i have a real problem assuming some one is guilty of 'something' just because of their race,the way they dress,their politics,or their religion!
silly me!!

If the story of the OP is accurate, he did the right thing reporting the activity his friend witnessed. There were enough pieces of the puzzle to warrant the FBI being called to find out more. It's better to be safe and sorry then to not have tried to follow up a suspicious event. Like it or not, profiling does happen. Groups of Arabic/Muslim looking men will ALWAYS get looked with a suspicious eye, especially when they do certain things. Add the other parts of the story and you end up with something that bears further investigation.

Originally posted by pavil
If the story of the OP is accurate, he did the right thing reporting the activity his friend witnessed. There were enough pieces of the puzzle to warrant the FBI being called to find out more. It's better to be safe and sorry then to not have tried to follow up a suspicious event. Like it or not, profiling does happen. Groups of Arabic/Muslim looking men will ALWAYS get looked with a suspicious eye, especially when they do certain things. Add the other parts of the story and you end up with something that bears further investigation.

Nice to see racism alive and well in America! Land of the free, home of the brave (unless you are an arab, of course.. then we are scared to hell of you)

Originally posted by Sahabi

Next Catalyst:

We should really be on the lookout for domestic terrorists who are persuaded, funded, or trained by the FBI, CIA, or other governmental affiliates.

Any American nationals who may engage in terrorism... to further along the agenda of gun control, domestic espionage, dissolution of freedom/liberty/privacy, to discredit popular movements and protests, and to help usher in martial law.

Islamic terrorism no longer serves a function. It is the average American who is next to be demonized and oppressed.


Peace.

That was honestly the first thought that crossed my mind when I read the thread title. "Terror-related activity in NW Ohio" evoked immediate images in my head of government agents staging for a raid on one of the militias, given the recent raid on a militia in Michigan.

I have a friend here, a Pakistani who is now an American citizen. He bought a patch of land in the next county north, and wanted me to come up there and help him set up a shooting range on his own land. I refused. I've known the man for several years, since before he gained his citizenship, and have no worries that he is a "terrorist" or even slightly leaning that way, but still I refused to help him set up a shooting range. The reason was this: his land is surrounded by miles and miles of armed rednecks. Now, there's nothing wrong with rednecks per se - I'm one myself. The fact remains though, that rednecks are prone to make snap decisions, and under the circumstances a snap decision by a few good ol' boys who hear shooting going on in quantity "over thar where them furriners moved in" would likely lead to a disastrous result,

Having my friend reported to the FBI for investigation was just the least of the potentials. People get spooked easy, and when people get spooked, bad, irrational things can happen.

I wouldn't trust the FBI to sort it out properly, any how. Jamaat al-Fuqra has a compound about two hours north of here, complete with their own shooting range, JaF has a known history of terrorist activity. The FBI is known to rub elbows with them on a too-friendly basis for my taste. It's the locals up there who keep a weather eye on JaF, not the FBI.

Given all that, I wasn't about to help my friend dig a pit to catch himself in, when he's done nothing wrong - people are edgy, and no actual wrongdoing has to occur for the perception of such to set an entire chain of events in motion.

I'm curious as to why the witness bothered looking for cars on his way out of the shooting range. If the Saudis used student visas for ID in the range, they probably didn't have driver's licenses, so why WOULD they have cars there? If he hadn't been freaked out, he should have known before he hit the exit that there weren't any "Saudi cars" out there, but he didn't know that. the simple fact appears to be he was spooked, and spooked people stop thinking.

They let the FBI think for them instead, and that doesn't seem any more sane to me than letting the Saudis think for them.