How does one Accept Jesus?

reply to post by Akragon


I order to become are partaker in Christ you are required to commit your life to following His ways. You basically abrogate your own personal life desires and put your life completely in His hands for His purposes. If it was just a matter of 'believing', well gees, Satan 'believes' in Jesus HAHA

Originally posted by Klassified
How about we just let the bible itself answer the question.
Romans 10:9-10

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I'd rather not hear what paul has to say on the issue...

I said "how does one accept Jesus"...

Not... "lets hear what paul has to say about someone he didn't know"

And btw, confess with your mouth and believe in your heart Jesus was raised from the dead all you like.... that does not save anything or anyone...

Typical Paulian garbage....

IF one believes in what he taught, they practice what he taught... You can believe he was raised from the dead and still be a selfish uncaring person...

IF one believes in him, they keep his commandments, and practice them...

bloody paul eh...

reply to post by Akragon


There are things that we can do that are either right or wrong in that they either impede, or accelerate our path to ascension and greater spiritual achievement.

We are granted free will to choose what we will do. It is part of our path to ascension. To take the free choice from us would also be to take away the very path we must tread.

Still, the Creator of all things is personally disappointed when we choose to do things that impede our progress. It is love for Creation that causes such anguish. Just look at what we do with what we have, it IS heartbreaking.

The consequence of this wrong choice is always ultimately falling short of achieving the Creators high goals for us. One outcome of this failure to achieve, we call death.

No human is exempt from having made these wrong choices and there are consequences to our actions.

The Creator is willing to guide our growth and has granted a way for us to get back on the correct path, despite our failures. To alert us to the importance of this message, to catch our attention, the Creator submitted to all of our worst fears, to hunger, to thirst, to pain, to ridicule, to loss, to betrayal and finally to death.

The gentleness and grace with which He endured shows us His love. He could have broken the universe to stop what was happening. He didn't.

But while experiencing them fully, not turning aside, He overcame them all. Not as a God, but as a human. He became the first of a new breed. An example that we can follow.

This example, this God as a man, was Jesus.

He announced to us plainly that there was no other path to our ascension, but His path. The path was not a word or a book or an idea. It was a human person. In being a person like Him, in having His motivations and purposes, we ascend. There is no other way.

When we realize that our way is a selfish and directionless path, when we get it into our soul that the King, Creator and God of the universe gave so much just so we could be forgiven our foolishness, and we desire to truly change our choices and walk in His footsteps, then we have "accepted Jesus".

As a bonus, God has granted us a proximity to His Spirit to speak directly to our heart and advise our conscience (remember, He won't take away our freedom) and in so doing, to guide us to better choices.

He IS a God of love.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Starchild23

 

No the word is perspective... two different words, two different meanings...

Not in the context you used it friend. "Prospective" is correct. Prospective means "potential" convert.

Now that im home from work, i can get to some replies...

You are correct, and so was starchild actually... i didn't notice that error....

My bad

Ah, no need to apologize friend. I've been cursed with the grammar Nazi virus also. lol

reply to post by Akragon

And of course you are more then welcome to participate in my thread if you wish... but lets keep the assumptions about my motives to a minimum

Well, "minimum" leaves me a little room to wiggle. My guess is that you're quote mining for a new thread about Christians. This one is 3 pages now and you haven't responded to anyone's answers in regards to the OP questions. That leads me to guess you're just using this thread to quote mine for another thread you have planned. Perhaps one that accuses Christians of not having a uniform set of beliefs about what one must do to be justified?

Relax, everyone knows there are no adults in charge of religion.

Everyone notices that to join the cult of religion one has to buy into supernatural themes and say Amen all the time. You got to believe Jesus died, not survived by uses of Myrrh. You got to think Mary was a Virgin and some ghost got her pregnant. You got to eat Jesus, as a god, and people have to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Are there adults in charge of religion? None to be found. Just little kids with out of control imaginations of ghosts and false tales of supernatural nonsense.

All the supernatural cult games, due to no adults leading, has little kids become afraid to get out of bed because some buggy-man is gonna get them that lives under their bed.

I think everyone sees How one Accepts Jesus, via the warped organized Church, and it isn't about adult common sense.

reply to post by Starchild23


I suggest you meant to say: Jesus is the son of God.

reply to post by Akragon

However you or I may view Paul is irrelevant. The average Christian views the bible as a complete work of the Holy Spirit. They may use the human authors name for reference, but the final author and authority of all scripture is God.

So from their perspective, you are not calling into question Paul. You are calling into question God himself, and saying that he is not able to maintain his own written word. So you really think they are going to accept the view of a couple of heathens that Christians shouldn't be reading the epistles of Paul seriously?

IF one believes in what he taught, they practice what he taught... You can believe he was raised from the dead and still be a selfish uncaring person...
IF one believes in him, they keep his commandments, and practice them...

So you are a legalist. You believe the new testament, like the old testament, is all about the letter of the law. It's all about the doing. A few slip-ups, and you're ready to send the Christian to their own lake of fire. Notice what Jesus said,

John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

You don't come to love someone without first having a relationship. I suppose John was worthless too. But I'll quote him anyway.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

To truly understand the difference between works, law, and grace, biblically, requires a lot more than a cursory overview of the bible as an independent work that you can pick apart and sift to mean what you want it to mean.

When it comes to the bible, our perspective as unbelievers means zilch to Christians. If you want to understand them, you have to see and understand from their perspective. And that's going to be hard to do if you've never been one.

What you're looking for in this thread is not how to accept Jesus. As you said, you already know the answer. At least for yourself. You're looking to correct them because they don't see it your way.

ETA: Here are Jesus own words. If these are good enough for you.

John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by Akragon

 

I order to become are partaker in Christ you are required to commit your life to following His ways. You basically abrogate your own personal life desires and put your life completely in His hands for His purposes. If it was just a matter of 'believing', well gees, Satan 'believes' in Jesus HAHA

OK, taken at face value. How does one know the "ways" of Jesus? How exactly is this done? First of all, the letter "J" was not in use at the time, and there are no Vowels in the Hebrew Language. So, in effect, the name "Jesus" only exits in the English Language. So we now have an English Savior, that who you are speaking of?

Secondly, the only book that speaks of the "ways of Jesus" is the New Testament. Have you looked into the authorship of that book at all? Here, allow me to help you.

The true authorship of the New Testament Abelard Reuchlin (Author)

ROMAN PISO FAMILY WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT, INVENTED "JESUS"

WHO WROTE THE NEW TESTAMENT?

The True Authorship of the New Testament

'THE PISO FAMILY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT'
I have delved deeply into this authorship over the years, and have come to conclude that since the name itself was not a Hebrew word, and the letter [J] and vowel fiasco pretty much convinced me that the book was not written inclusive with the name "Jesus" only 30 to 40 years after his "death".

You basically abrogate your own personal life desires and put your life completely in His hands for His purposes

So, that being said, am I to follow Arrius Piso's words and ways? I understand he was a General over a rather large Army of Legionaries. Am I to sign up? Please explain?

Bring yourself to a private place where you may strip before our Creator. And there take out Adams' mind, which was in you, and place it on the ground to your left. Lay aside Adams' heart, which was in you also, laying it on the ground to your right. And remove from you the raiment of Adam, laying such at your feet. Rest in your decision.
Then put in the mind of Christ which is now restored unto you by the One Who loves you most. And the heart of Christ receive also, pressing it close and bringing it deep into the innermost parts of you, acknowledeging its preciousness. Now put on the armor of the warrior you have now become on behalf of Humankind, which is provided to you, yes, even the armor of our Creator. Pray that you may be brave and enter into the battle.

reply to post by autowrench


This is true, Jesus is called Y-H-SH. Some call him "YeSHu", some call him "Yashu" some call him "Yahoshu". It is whatever they want it to be, and it is whatever meaning of the name they like best.

If The Bible was written in English, the first 2 verses would look like this:

"N TH B G N G D C R T TH H V N S N D TH R TH N W TH R TH W S F R M L S S N D M P T Y D R K N S S W S V R TH S R F C F TH D P N D TH S P R T F G D W S H V R V R TH W T R S"

There would be no vowels, no spacing between words, no periods. No verb tenses, so "beginning" would be "bgn" and not "bgnnng".

Imagine if The Bible wanted to say "God is now here", that would be "G D S N W H R".

When you plug in vowels it can either be "GoD iS No WHeRe" or "GoD iS NoW HeRe". Can you imagine all of the confusion and different ways such a language can be interpreted?

By the way, can be interpreted as:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

Originally posted by autowrench

Five or six Beings were discussion the fate of Earth and Humanity at the time, it seemed to be like a high level conference or something. As I understand it, Jesus is dead as a doornail, and cannot just pop in and tell anyone what to do.

I know you've heard this from me a thousand times, but I'm going to post it anyway for the general viewer.

Jesus is not dead. All of these "beings" are demons/fallen angels of Satan trying to convince you of this lie, just as Satan convinced Eve that she surely would not die if she ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Playing with the occult or anything related leads to lies, not to mention the appearance of "beings" and the "dead".

I'm shocked at the number of paranormal experiences I've been seeing on ATS recently. Satan must know that his time left on earth is running out before he's thrown into the Abyss.

Accepting Jesus starts with a sincere desire to make Him the leader of your life. Usually, it starts with a simple and sincere prayer of acknowledgement much like this one:

"Heavenly Father, have mercy on me, a sinner. I believe in you and that your word is true. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that he died on the cross so that I may now have forgiveness for my sins and eternal life. I know that without you in my heart my life is meaningless.

I believe in my heart that you, Lord God, raised Him from the dead. Please Jesus forgive me, for every sin I have ever committed or done in my heart, please Lord Jesus forgive me and come into my heart as my personal Lord and Savior today. I need you to be my Father and my friend.

I give you my life and ask you to take full control from this moment on; I pray this in the name of Jesus Christ."

Amen.

Although I don't believe anything else to be a requirement of salvation, Christians usually will follow this personal acknowledgement with a public profession of their faith in front of the congregation of their church, if they belong to one. After this public profession, they most likely will be baptized to symbolize their acknowledgement of the death and resurrection of Christ. According to the Bible, these steps are pleasing to God, as He does not want us to be ashamed of Him or His Word, but to be a light and a witness to others.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Jesus is not dead. All of these "beings" are demons/fallen angels of Satan trying to convince you of this lie, just as Satan convinced Eve that she surely would not die if she ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

But she didn't die. God said that one the day she eats thereof, she shall die, and yet she lived to be about 900 years old. The serpent was right when he said that her eyes would be open and she'll become like a god. Look at the technology we have now, and her eyes were truly open, even The bible says it. You may not want to admit it but the serpent told the truth in that story.

reply to post by autowrench


I will prove for you the divine inspiration of the author's of the New Testament by taking you through a study of the Revelation 13 Beast of the sea power who is the same power (same time period of rulership given) as the 'little horn' power in Daniel 7. Given me a couple of days to gather the info for you. I will address your other q's in that future post hopefully as well.

reply to post by arpgme


Well not really, you see sin is death
that's why the ultimate punishment for sin is death and they had sinned against GOD but thats why looking into Genesis chapter 3 is so important because we do understand that in order for there to be a GOD he has to be all loving all powerful and the head hauncho for the law. And the LORDS Word Is what it Is. Now GOD had set that the punishment for sin is death. thats it. period.
BUT GOD created us in HIS own image and REALLY Loves us that even in Genesis chapter 3 GOD starts mentioning a way for our salvation, because he needs to play fair remember there is satan who did receive punishment he was stripped of his angelic rights etc. So when he caused man to sin by lieing to them he would have been like, "ok GOD, you gunna punish these people you've made or what? I sinned and I got punished but you love them so much to go back against your own word?" But since i've mentioned before GOD is truth and his word is set in stone he doesn't go against his own word, he plays by his own rules to say.
Eve WOULD have died but after being kicked out and knowing what had happened she was sorry for her sin and confessed it. ultimately being forgiven.

Now regarding satan, he begins the temptation with a question, "Hath God not said Ye shall no eat of every tree of the garden?" This is the way of Satan to bring into question what God has plainly stated. It is actually bringing God Himself into question. To question God is suggest that God could be wrong, or have some sinister reason for what He says.
He lies and manipulates his word thats why he is the deceiver n father of lies

because remember we think death is just dying in this world and thats it, but we tend to forget the eternal death people will have to endure for their personal choices. Sorry to be so blunt


P.S. sorry if i'm jumping from here to there and again no mean to preach just trying to clarify what was actually going on in the garden
Also is anyone has any questions about intelligent design, the authenticity of the bible etc. www.godandscience.org is a great site that delivers great answers
BTW i'm new to the threads so i unno if i'm allowed to post links lol

Originally posted by arpgme

But she didn't die. God said that one the day she eats thereof, she shall die, and yet she lived to be about 900 years old. The serpent was right when he said that her eyes would be open and she'll become like a god. Look at the technology we have now, and her eyes were truly open, even The bible says it. You may not want to admit it but the serpent told the truth in that story.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about. The only thing Eve's eyes opened up to was the knowledge of evil. If she hadn't eaten from the tree, she would not know evil and death would not exist. When Satan told her she would not die from eating it, he wasn't talking about right then and there, but a human death experience. Which we all will experience human death because of it. Otherwise, we would have had eternal life from the beginning. So, no, Satan lied. Adam and Eve's human bodies died.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

And of course you are more then welcome to participate in my thread if you wish... but lets keep the assumptions about my motives to a minimum

Well, "minimum" leaves me a little room to wiggle. My guess is that you're quote mining for a new thread about Christians. This one is 3 pages now and you haven't responded to anyone's answers in regards to the OP questions. That leads me to guess you're just using this thread to quote mine for another thread you have planned. Perhaps one that accuses Christians of not having a uniform set of beliefs about what one must do to be justified?

Well... at least we know you're not psychic...

I've never "quote mined" in my life bro... the only thing i mine is blocks.... in minecraft

My threads are purely inspired... as a matter of fact, i think i only have about 10 threads that took some time to put together. They are usually done on the fly...

Assumption fail

reply to post by Klassified

You are calling into question God himself, and saying that he is not able to maintain his own written word.

Nope... God didn't write the bible... that much is obvious...

So you really think they are going to accept the view of a couple of heathens that Christians shouldn't be reading the epistles of Paul seriously?

Nope... Im not trying to get anyone to accept my view of anything... im just interested in the christian POV of this issue... My view is paul does not know Jesus, so he can not speak for him... but thats me, i know christians love him... so let them..

What you're looking for in this thread is not how to accept Jesus. As you said, you already know the answer. At least for yourself. You're looking to correct them because they don't see it your way.

Not my intention at all... but since this is my thread. If i feel a correction is needed... i will be happy to give it... but no one will be forced or even asked to accept my view of the matter.

Paul... is one big mistake in my opinion... but this isn't about paul... I have a thread for that if i feel the need to beat on him...

Paul the first Heretic


But again, this isn't about accepting paul in any way, shape or form... i don't care what he had to say about it, or anyones views of his work.... this is about "THE MAN"... Not the fake.

So you are a legalist. You believe the new testament, like the old testament, is all about the letter of the law. It's all about the doing. A few slip-ups, and you're ready to send the Christian to their own lake of fire.

Nuuuuuuu.....

Christians are free to slip up, thats even in the bible.... and i don't condem anyone for anything... And theres only two laws i follow... those that Jesus gave...

Heres my thread on "the law" by the way... www.abovetopsecret.com...

When it comes to the bible, our perspective as unbelievers means zilch to Christians. If you want to understand them, you have to see and understand from their perspective. And that's going to be hard to do if you've never been one.

Actually i was born into christianity... but i didn't believe God existed while i was a christian. It was only once i started looking for him outside of the church that i found the truth...

And just so you know, i am not even close to what you call an "unbeliever"... i just don't agree with the christian POV in most cases... but this is not the point of this thread...

Im simply curious

reply to post by Deetermined

Jesus is not dead

Good. please send him over to my house, he knows where I live. I have some stuff to tell him about his followers. Perhaps we can have a drink together.