How does one Accept Jesus?

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
Autowrench has provided sources from the Luciferian Liberation Front... as long as it's not the Bible right... and here I was thinking you guys were truly enlightened fence-sitters.

Yeah, that Jesus of Borg thing really fits, if you ask me. The Borg are a collective, and all thought is universal. Kind of like cult thinking, right? When they "save" you you are "assimilated" into the "fold".

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Originally posted by Akragon
Before i start this thread let me state, i am not christian, nor am i looking for someone to attempt to convert me to Christianity... It can't be done... so don't bother trying.

Nice avatar n all…but I’m here to convert you… resistance is futile lol…

Nah… just joking…

Originally posted by Akragon
You say... just believe in him.... and i reply with something like this >>--->

How does one "accept Jesus" in Christian terms?

Does this mean head to your local church? Perhaps listen to your local priest/minister/pastor or what have you... droll on about what he thinks Jesus is about?

As you probably know by now, I don’t classify myself as a Christian, but just like you, I believe in Jesus.


I’d like to answer your question nonetheless…because it’s Jesus, who actually tells us in the bible, what it means to believe in him. And He tells us that to believe in him, is to believe in the one who sent him…i.e. God

John 14:10-11

10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

John 16:25-28

25 “Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. 26 In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. 28 I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

Believing who Jesus is, is all about recognizing that Jesus speaks on behalf of the Father/God. And you come to believe and get to know who God and Jesus are, through their words and actions. The journey of belief begins in your mind, and then finally becomes known, in your Spirit/Heart.


- JC

How about we just let the bible itself answer the question.
Romans 10:9-10

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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What is meant is to put your trust in Him as your Savior. And when you accept Him as Lord you then purpose tp do what He says. (If you love Me keep My commands.) It's faith and trust in Him, childlike trust. It gets confusing because of our Western mindset in regards to "faith" which is basically wishing and hoping. The Biblical model of faith is basically what Abraham displayed. Where he trusted God's promise to him. He had no problwm sacrificing Issac because God had already promised him a great nation through Issac. Abraham knew God would stop him before he killed Issac, or figure God would raise him from the dead. That's the Biblical model of "faith". Absolute trust in the promises God has already made to us in His Word.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Starchild23

 

No the word is perspective... two different words, two different meanings...

Not in the context you used it friend. "Prospective" is correct. Prospective means "potential" convert.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Strength

 

Should we mention the atrocities advised by Leviticus while we're in the swing of things?

The Bible is outdated.

OP didn't ask what the process or rules were to becoming a Levite priest. Levit.icus would be helpful in that instance.

Originally posted by DarkKnight21
Autowrench has provided sources from the Luciferian Liberation Front... as long as it's not the Bible right... and here I was thinking you guys were truly enlightened fence-sitters.

edit on 5/16/2012 by DarkKnight21 because: (no reason given)

I've found out after years of posting that generally the most anti-Christian posters are either Luciferians or Muslims. Not even Atheists are that outspoken against for the most part.

Originally posted by Klassified
How about we just let the bible itself answer the question.
Romans 10:9-10

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That's my favorite verse on Justification by far, but the English "believe" doesnt accurately define the original Greek thought on faith or belief. "Trust" is a better 20th century term to use. Or for a practical example. Someone can believe Wall Street exists in NYC, but they don't have Biblical "faith" in Wall Street until they invest their money in it. Clumsy example, but it highlights the difference between our culture's idea of faith and the Biblical model.

" How does one Accept Jesus? "



The question is.. When is one worthy?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


Our Holy Father knows your intentions. He knows your heart better than you could ever wonder.

He knows your future and your mindset. Unless you wholeheartedly fall to your knees in submission, change your perspective and admit His having full authority over your life... the chances are very slim.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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What is meant is to put your trust in Him as your Savior. And when you accept Him as Lord you then purpose tp do what He says. (If you love Me keep My commands.)

I am not Akragon, and Akragon, I apologize if I am stepping on your toes, but I simply could not resist this. How can I do what he says, NOTurTypical, I am not one of those mental people who sees Jesus and speaks to him on a daily basis. I do see the dead, but have never seen Jesus save one time only, and then I am not certain it was him. Five or six Beings were discussion the fate of Earth and Humanity at the time, it seemed to be like a high level conference or something. As I understand it, Jesus is dead as a doornail, and cannot just pop in and tell anyone what to do. And as for that NT you got that from, I happen to know who wrote it, and why, and so do you were you just to admit it to yourself.
Here is a good book on this subject:

Who Wrote the New Testament?: The Making of the Christian Myth
Of course, if you are unable to obtain the book, cruise on over here:
The True Authorship of the New Testament
Knowing what I know, I would never be one to say those are the actual words of Christ, and in truth, you should not either. Christ was illiterate like everyone in those days, except the Priests, of course, and everyone knows Christ hated them.

It's faith and trust in Him, childlike trust. It gets confusing because of our Western mindset in regards to "faith" which is basically wishing and hoping. The Biblical model of faith is basically what Abraham displayed. Where he trusted God's promise to him. He had no problwm sacrificing Issac because God had already promised him a great nation through Issac. Abraham knew God would stop him before he killed Issac, or figure God would raise him from the dead. That's the Biblical model of "faith". Absolute trust in the promises God has already made to us in His Word.

I do not have absolute trust in anything, friend. And "faith" is another thing that is not a part of my. All you seem to know really is what your book says. Do you ever have an original thought on anything?

I've found out after years of posting that generally the most anti-Christian posters are either Luciferians or Muslims. Not even Atheists are that outspoken against for the most part.

Guess that leaves me out. I am no Atheist, I just believe in the Father and Mother of us all, and not in the Christian (Gay?) circle of three males posing as the creators of everything. And as for Lucifer, that is a Latin word and name, and I don't believe in ANY ultimate author of Evil, and that includes Satan, Lucifer, The Devil, Yahweh, or El Shaddi. And it seems the ONLY people that Do believe in them are, in fact, Christians! Christians are also strong believers and supporters of Demons, and talk about them all the time. If any crowd is Satanist, it has to be Christianity, after all, it was they who created all of these evil beings, didn't they?

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Interesting perspective.

I like.

Before i start this thread let me state, i am not christian, nor am i looking for someone to attempt to convert me to Christianity... It can't be done... so don't bother trying.

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If this be the case then why are you even asking? Don't know if this is what you are doing, but it seems that there is a lot of Christian bashing on ATS. I can understand you not wanting anything shoved down your throat, but what I don't understand is why you would even want to know, in lieu of your above statement. Seems more like a bait thread to me. If you had any interest then I would be glad to participate and offer my opinion.

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Good post. Not many of us talk about our worth even though Jesus did. I think it goes back to our zeal and the way we repent. About a year into Jesus revealing himself to me I could not for the life of me read John 21: 15-19 without sobbing. Same goes with Genesis 6: 11-13. I think when a person finds themself crying with God, instead of to him, he knows we are rending our hearts and he will pour out on us wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

Oh, It is easy. 1. Get Baptised, 2. Get Holy Myrrh Oil on your head, 3. Suffer from eternal confusion because you killed Jesus and pony up $'s, 4. Learn to drink wine because you are miserable, 5. Become an Alter Boy for the Lord, 6. Sin daily and confess often.

en.wikipedia.org...

Chrism (Greek word literally meaning "an anointing"), also called "myrrh" (myron), holy anointing oil, or "consecrated oil", is a consecrated oil used in the Roman Catholic,

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Or just wear a cross about your neck and tell everyone you are a Christian.
I want to tell you all about my sister's live in boyfriend. This guy is a lot like me, he knows the Bible really good, and knows all of the Christian talk. They travel around, and stop at Churches. He talks to the preacher, and gets invited to preach, he has a license, and they are not hard to get. anyway, he gives a good sermon, they faithfully pass the plate a few times, they collect, and go on their merry way, stopping at the next Bar they come to. I have heard him speak, ans he could foll any of you. I have often thought....with my knowledge of the bible and Christians, I could do this too.
How much does a good sermon pay these days?

Alright, gonna take a swing at this. Take it for what you will.

Christ said by faith alone we are saved. All these ideas of needing x, y or z are not required, no matter opinion. Faith saves.

Okay, so faith in what? Well, faith he was immaculately conceived of a virgin, (thus being the messiah described in the Old Testament. This is more for proof that God's word holds true more than trying to get you to except old testament rhetoric. Just MHO) and faith that he was the true begotten son of God.
That he healed and preformed the miracles that he did (in the Father's will. God doesn't have gender by the way, but the whole "explaining God to people" argument comes into play. www.abovetopsecret.com... covers some of that...Sorry to self promote...).
That he was crucified (as it was well documented).
Three days later, he rose again (after handing Satan his prideful ass) to fulfill the scripture and chill with his homies, who he loved like family.
Jesus was always about love, and not in some perverted sense, he wanted to show people genuine love. That's why apostles always were like "God is love!" because after hanging with a guy that could've easily phoned in a construction career, he walked alot of miles to show people love through healing (even when the pharisee wern't too big a fan. Healing on the sabbath! BASTPHAMIE!) and good deeds. He wanted to show us what we were capable of once we took are heads out our own butts and took a look around at the real world around them. And that doesn't sit well with TPTB at the time.
All that being said, it's a personal relationship. Once experienced, it's like experiencing gravity or a hot stove top. It's a real fact, at least to those that have had that moment in their life.
A final note, the laws of "kill for this" or "stone for that" were erased from the law because of the sacrifice he made for you on that cross. You don't need to be circumcised (and being so doesn't buy you a free pass [it's more about cleanilness anyways. Just easier to clean a ...well, anyways...) or sacrifice a cow everytime you screw up, because he forgives you. He died as the ultimate sacrifice so you didn't have to bring harm to people anymore (He, without sin, cast the first stone). He has it covered. Anything less wouldn't be much of a messiah, now would it?
And if you question his forgiveness, he literally was like, "Forgive these guys, they don't know any better." after they nailed him to a cross. That, my friends, is a guy who practices what he preaches. Instead of getting all bent out of shape, he loved even those that killed him, just because that's the character of God.
That, and it had to be done, but that's another topic, especially not for one that isn't about preaching, but simply asking the question of the requirements for salvation.

Just a final note, another thread states Christians hate homosexuals. True christians may not agree with your life style choice, but to hate or show you prejudice is being a pharisee. The Lord reigns. He'll take care of it. Show those people in your life (both friends, family and even [hell, especially] the stranger) the love of Christ, don't judge them. The ten commandments still apply. Just because the Lord is long suffering and willing to forgive even up to that final hour isn't a reason to push the limit (Paul told you this). So stop worrying about people going to hell, and start living a life that shows you are in the love of the true messiah, and therefore, true God.

Just my two cents. (sorry, I suppose I got a little preachy there... It wasn't my intent to force anything onto anyone. But I've found the people on ATS can think for themselves enough to read all that without blowing a gasket or being too unnerved.)

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Starchild23

 

No the word is perspective... two different words, two different meanings...

Not in the context you used it friend. "Prospective" is correct. Prospective means "potential" convert.

Now that im home from work, i can get to some replies...

You are correct, and so was starchild actually... i didn't notice that error....

My bad

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Jesus is currently ministering in the Most Holy place of the Heavenly sanctuary at the moment as part of the Investigative Judgement which commenced in 1844 when he moved from the Holy Place to the Most Holy as per the 2300 days (year) prophecy.

No one would have 'seen' Jesus during this time if they were awake and saw something. Unless it was in a dream/vision then no, it wasn't Him.

Originally posted by VeniVidi

Before i start this thread let me state, i am not christian, nor am i looking for someone to attempt to convert me to Christianity... It can't be done... so don't bother trying.

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If this be the case then why are you even asking? Don't know if this is what you are doing, but it seems that there is a lot of Christian bashing on ATS. I can understand you not wanting anything shoved down your throat, but what I don't understand is why you would even want to know, in lieu of your above statement. Seems more like a bait thread to me. If you had any interest then I would be glad to participate and offer my opinion.

First off... i do not bash anyones belief.... to each their own.

This isn't a "bait thread" either, im simply looking for the christian perspective on the issue...

And of course you are more then welcome to participate in my thread if you wish... but lets keep the assumptions about my motives to a minimum