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What we can say about our Universe, is that there are anomalies in our calculations that state as a fact. That we do not know all about our Universe. Not even our own Galaxy. We also know, that throughout history there have been catastrophies that are outlandish. Ranging from the extinction of dynosaurs, to the complete and sudden freeze of mammals in the russian tundra. So fast, that they froze while eating grass.
There is nothing in our current model of our solar system, or the earth that can explain such events
Simply coming in here and saying "Nibiru can't be", is not enough.
but the fact that a mammal can freeze at an instant in the tundra of Russia. Tells us, that there are anomalies that far exceed whatever we have or can calculate with our current models.
Just as the "size" of the dynosaurs and their bone density, demands that gravity has not been constant during earths lifetime ... so does other anomalies demand that there are celestial issues.
Originally posted by stereologist
There are cases of flashing freezing of mammoths. The animals in question drowned in mud and were preserved. They are few and far between. The extinction of the dinosaurs has many different suggestions. The Permian extinction was an even larger event. Going back tens or hundreds of millions of years does make it hard to get a definitive answer as to why.
A definitive explanation for their mass extinction has yet to be agreed upon. The warming trend (Holocene) that occurred 12,000 years ago, accompanied by a glacial retreat and rising sea levels, has been suggested as a contributing factor. Forests replaced open woodlands and grasslands across the continent. The available habitat may have been reduced for some megafaunal species, such as the mammoth. However, such climate changes were nothing new; numerous very similar warming episodes had occurred previously within the ice age of the last several million years without producing comparable megafaunal extinctions
...The most common condition was long temperate epochs, like the balmy times of the dinosaurs. Much rarer were glacial epochs like our own, lasting a few millions of years, in which periods of glaciation alternated with warmer "interglacial" periods like the present.
Here are some "official" theories, I find "not-plausible".
*. Millions of slaves in Egypt, moving stones thousands of miles.
*. Nibiru
*. Jesus, Moses and Noah
*. Mass extinction of dynosaurs/mammoths.
*. Big Bang
*. The God Element
*. Plate tectonics
Blue Babe, a 36,000-year-old steppe bison, is on permanent display at the museum. The bison was preserved in permafrost near Fairbanks until recovered several years ago. Its skin is blue from oxidized minerals in the ground, and it is so well preserved that claw scratches from a predator are still visible in the skin.
Originally posted by bjarneorn
Originally posted by stereologist
There are cases of flashing freezing of mammoths. The animals in question drowned in mud and were preserved. They are few and far between. The extinction of the dinosaurs has many different suggestions. The Permian extinction was an even larger event. Going back tens or hundreds of millions of years does make it hard to get a definitive answer as to why.
That "may" be satisfactory to you ... but it isn't to me.
Point is, there are different form of religions ... and it's not always about believing in God, it's also about believing in anything whatsoever ... even Nibiru.
Here are some "official" theories, I find "not-plausible".
*. Millions of slaves in Egypt, moving stones thousands of miles.
*. Nibiru
*. Jesus, Moses and Noah
*. Mass extinction of dynosaurs/mammoths.
*. Big Bang
*. The God Element
*. Plate tectonics
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Here is a tablet that depicts the Sumerian symbol for star/planet, Moon, and Sun. You will notice that only one of these symbols appear on Cylinder Seal VA243.
Originally posted by stereologist
When you say that the Sun is a star you are referring to modern thoughts, not ancient thoughts. That notion is not germain to the discussion of an ancient depiction.
Originally posted by stereologist
To sugegst that the seal represents knowledge of planetary system is unsubstantiated.
Astronomy began with the first settlements of agricultural societies. Mesopotamia, the land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in what is today Iraq, was the birthplace of civilization almost 10,000 years ago. It is in ancient Sumeria that we find the oldest records of the study of astronomy. Babylon and Assyria were later civilizations in the same geographic area, and inherited the Sumerians' astronomical traditions and many of their myths and legends surrounding the skies. They in turn developed their own astronomical culture and passed it on to the Greeks and eventually to our modern world. Perhaps the greatest legacy to modern western astronomy was left to us by the Babylonians. We still use many of their original constellations, and the records they kept of astronomical occurences allow us a glimpse into their view of the heavens.
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Originally posted by stereologist
There are few records from Sumer of astronomical observations. Most of the information that they actively did astronomy is inferred rom the use of Sumerian words by the Babylonians.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Here you go. Of course the source is Heiser who many SItchin supporters feel is unqualified for some reason. He actually has a background in ancient languages, including Sumerian, whereas Sitchin had a background in economic history.
The Myth of a 12th Planet: A Brief Analysis of Cylinder Seal VA 243
Originally posted by stereologist
1. The Egyptians did not move stones thousands of miles. No idea where you got that idea.
Originally posted by stereologist
2. Nibiru is not a theory. It is a fiction planet thought up by Sitchin.
Originally posted by stereologist
3. DInosaurs are extinct as are mammoths and many other species.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
So you don't actually have any kind of data to refute Heiser and would instead prefer to go with a straw man argument to in an attempt to discredit all PhDs?
About 100 million years ago, toward the middle of the Cretaceous period, some crocodiles had begun to imitate their dinosaur cousins by evolving to enormous sizes. The king of the Cretaceous crocodiles was the enormous Sarcosuchus, dubbed "SuperCroc" by the media, which measured about 40 feet long from head to tail and weighed in the neighborhood of 10 tons
To suggest the contrary is unsubstantiated given the evidence...
And yes the Sun is a star, and the Sumerians and Mesopotamians knew it because their symbol for sun/star was the same.
Do tell us how many are "few" to you?... and how many are necessary to know about our Solar System, or even about the Pleiades, among others, as the sumerians knew?... /quote]
Your link is quite corrct in pointing out that astronomy was practiced in Sumer. It also points out that their work was carried on by later civilizations.
So what is few?
en.wikipedia.org...
Our knowledge of Sumerian astronomy is indirect, via the earliest Babylonian star catalogues dating from about 1200 BCE. The fact that many star names appear in Sumerian suggests a continuity reaching into the Early Bronze Age.
The large granite stones found in the King's chamber, weighing from 25 to 80 tonnes were transported from Aswan, about 500 miles away.
Nibiru has also been known as Planet X, and Planet X is not only a theory but evidence suggests it exists, despite claims like yours that it doesn't...
Really stereologist?... crocodiles/alligators, komodo dragons and sharks are dinosaurs that have existed for millions of years and still exist today. some have barely changed at all since their prehistoric times...
Sharks and alligators/crocodilles for example haven't changed much from their old prehistoric times, and we even know at least one species of dinosaur shark that still exists today...
This goes to show how much you know about these things...
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Nibiru has also been known as Planet X, and Planet X is not only a theory but evidence suggests it exists, despite claims like yours that it doesn't...
Originally posted by wmd_2008
Planet X was a name give to an object beyond Pluto and has NOTHING to do with Nibiru
Originally posted by wmd_2008
Your modern day dinosaurs are a bit smaller than they used to be for example.
About 100 million years ago, toward the middle of the Cretaceous period, some crocodiles had begun to imitate their dinosaur cousins by evolving to enormous sizes. The king of the Cretaceous crocodiles was the enormous Sarcosuchus, dubbed "SuperCroc" by the media, which measured about 40 feet long from head to tail and weighed in the neighborhood of 10 tons