NIBIRU AT LAST?? Brazilian Astronomer claims have found rogue planet hidden behind Neptune.

reply to post by Phage

you're building a strawman to muddy the issue. Sitchin never talked about any type of civilization classifications so the point is moot.

Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by wmd_2008
So what qualifications do YOU have lets see your proof that what Phage says is wrong, lets see what you have, I take it you must be self taught or is it just the usual conspiracy cliches that many people like you on here roll out when required.

Does it not occur that if the science you claim is a fraud YOU wouldn't be on a computer on the net

So, I claimed science was a fraud? Funny, I have a pretty decent memory and yet fail to recall that at all, I think I used words like corporate and dogma. I'm very curious as to what qualifications, self-teachings, or cliches you seem to think I would need to disagree with Phage though.
As to what I have, well, let's see...

Alan Parsons good enough source for you?

edit on 16-5-2012 by twitchy because: (no reason given)

maybe it has something to do with this???

Originally posted by TWILITE22
who cares what it's called?If a rogue planet is floating around our solar system does it really matter what its name is?Am I missing something here?Whether its Nibiru,Tyche,or whatever isn't the point the idea that we could have a planet on the loose should be the main concern of this subject.

If there is an unknown planet in the Kuiper belt, how does that make it "rogue?"

The way you use the term, every known planet would also be considered "rogue."

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Also another thing I don't see mentioned ever is the possibility that "If the ancient Mesopotamians created reliefs depicting a dozen or so celestial objects", we could be incorrectly assuming they are all planets.

Exactly. However we don't even need to go into apparent magnitudes. Mesopotamian cultures used different symbols to represent stars and planets. The cylinder seal that supposedly shows twelve planets only contains the symbols that were used for stars.

IIRC, the iconography for both planets and stars was the same. Obviously, they knew that planets move but stars don't, but they didn't know that the planets were not stars, so they used the same iconography for both.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, please.

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard

Originally posted by Telos

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard

If he's correct, this could be the astronomical find that finally corroborates the translations of Sumerians tablets made by Zecharia Sitchin. The intriguing part is how this object is keeping itself hidden from Earth telescopes... Perhaps it's not really a planet... Perhaps it's artificial in nature...

1- Ancient Sumerian Dictionaries - PROVE SITCHIN IS NO EXPERT OF ANY KIND REGARDING SUMERIAN TEXTS AND DELIBERATELY MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES ALONG.

2- THERE ARE NO TEXTS ANYWHERE THAT SAY THE THINGS THAT SITCHIN CLAIMS.

Dude, seriously forget about Sitchin. Just answer how Hindu people have two 4,000 yo aeronautics treaties, named Vaimanika Sastra and Samarangana Sutradhara depicting aircrafts named "Vimanas", piloted by "space-gods", with details about the type of metal used in the hull, fuel, range flight, onboard weapons, crew capabilities and stuff like that?? Also a whole rich ancient literature describing massive wars between "sky-gods" using nuke devices and aerial vehicles and accurate depictions of a frigging nuclear fallout??

In answer to your question - they didn't.

The Vaimanika Shastra was "channelled" in the early 20th century, for example, and the Samarangana Sutradhara is a treatise on Architecture that mentions vimanas, among a few other odd things.

You'd do better to reference the Mahabharata or the Ramayana, both of which mention vimanas many times.
None of the above works describe anything like nuclear weapons or fallout.

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastardYou know, all naysayers concentrate their fire power upon Sitchin and forget the scriptures left by other ancient civilizations, besides Sumerians, reporting the same "star-gods" such as the Mayan Popol Vuh that depicts bearded caucasian-like "gods" identical to the Anunnaki, as well as ancient Asian texts reporting "dragon-emperors" coming from the sky.

The Popol Vuh may actually include some legitimate Mayan beliefs. However, it was written well after the Spanish conquest and exhibits quite a lot of Christianity in its content because of this.

In other words, you have to be careful using it to imply anything about actual Mayan beliefs.

Here is the full text of the Popol Vuh. Perhaps you could quote and link us to the parts you're referring to?

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastardNo matter how much you hate the ancient-alien theory or how much scholars claim that Sitchin mistranslated cuneiform tablets, because there are other scriptures from multiple cultures that reported the same thing the Sumerians reported.

While I understand your claim above, it turns out that I have looked into this matter.

I find your claim to simply be false.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


After doing some quick double-checking, you're correct. However, the iconography for Sun is different from stars and planets. The reason Sitchin claimed Cylinder Seal VA243 depicted the solar system is because he thought the center object with six points depicted the Sun. In truth it is actually a symbol used to depict a star.

Al Salam alaikum (peace be upon you)

In Islam the prophet Mohammed (pbuh) spoke about a star, known in the Quran as Al Tariq (night star), The prophet referred to it as the HORNED Star/comet, This star will appear suddenly* and all astronomical calculations will fail. It will cause 3 landslides, one in the east, one in the west, and one in the arabian peninsula causing the earth to swallow what above it, as a result many people will perish. This will cleanse the earth and prepare for the new age and the coming of prophet Jesus and Imam Mahdi peace be upon them both.

"When this comet first appeared, the people of Prophet Noah (pbuh) perished, Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was cast into fire, Pharaoh and his people who fought against Prophet Moses (pbuh) perished, and John [Yahya] (pbuh) passed away. When you see that comet, take refuge in God from the evil of fitna(tribulation)."

so beware, for it will appear suddenly, and your calculations will fail you, at that point remember this, and no matter what faith you are, seek refuge with Allah!

you dont have to convert now, but when it happens, then recognise the sign and trust in the one God.

peace and love to all, (say no to zionism and no to salafism)

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Harte

 

After doing some quick double-checking, you're correct. However, the iconography for Sun is different from stars and planets. The reason Sitchin claimed Cylinder Seal VA243 depicted the solar system is because he thought the center object with six points depicted the Sun. In truth it is actually a symbol used to depict a star.

Actually, that particular seal exhibits both types of iconography in the section you're talking about.

It appears that the central star would be Venus (Ishtar.) It's likely that the others are the Pleiades.

Venus coincides with the Pleiades every 8 years or something like that.

I was (finally) convinced of this by Marduk, if you know him.

Harte

hmm interesting while i was researching about Rouge Planets .......

Runaway Planets Zoom at a Fraction of Light Speed

ScienceDaily (Mar. 22, 2012) — Seven years ago, astronomers boggled when they found the first runaway star flying out of our galaxy at a speed of 1.5 million miles per hour. The discovery intrigued theorists, who wondered: If a star can get tossed outward at such an extreme velocity, could the same thing happen to planets?

www.sciencedaily.com...

Treken Across the Universe with their BIO Ball Spaceship! ...... well maybe it not so Funny !


ohh wait a minute I forgot !!!!!

SPACE 1999

Humanity had been storing its nuclear waste in vast disposal sites on the far side of the Moon. Prefaced by wild emissions of an unknown form of magnetic radiation, the accumulated waste reaches critical mass and, on 13 September 1999, detonates in a massive thermonuclear explosion. The force of the blast propels the Moon like an enormous booster rocket, hurling it out of Earth orbit and into deep space at colossal speed, thus stranding the 311 personnel stationed on Alpha.[2] The runaway Moon, in effect, becomes the "spacecraft" on which the protagonists travel, searching for a new home. During their interstellar journey, the Alphans encounter an array of alien civilizations, dystopian societies, and mind-bending phenomena previously unseen by humanity.

en.wikipedia.org...:_1999

I wonder If Nibiru is like .... awe never mind...

reply to post by LifeInDeath


I stand corrected haha! However I don't believe it will happen in december, I put billions of years as my time frame and also I was correcting the chap on mentioning nibiru being impossible. Think I shoula looked up the sky bit first duno where I heard it haha

Thanks
Alex

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Other referances about planet x.

reply to post by Willease


The Kolbrin is a hoax. For one none of the background information checks out. There's also the fact that the only "university" that has confirmed it as being legitimate is owned by the publisher.

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard
reply to post by Phage

 

Regardless the possibility that Sitchin could have miscalculated the orbit of what the Sumerians called "Nibiru", just the fact that finally someone from INSIDE the club finally admitted the possible existence of this alleged rogue object, looks a pretty good step to start disclosing it.

There are hundreds (thousands?) of mainstream astronomers "inside the club", as you say, who have discussed the possibility for many many years about other planets beyond Neptune and Pluto. There is nothing secret about it. However, that doesn't mean they are talking about Stitchin's Nibiru, and neither is the astronomer in your link talking about Stichin's Nibiru.

In fact, in 2005 astronomer Mike Brown from the CalTech found a "Planet" that may even be BIGGER than Pluto -- and it has been proven to exist, and has been photographed. It is called "Eris". Eris is about the size or bigger than Pluto, and even has its own Moon. It orbits in the Kuiper belt, far beyond Neptune an Pluto.

If Pluto was still our 9th planet, the Eris surely would be considered the 10th planet. In fact when it was discovered in 2005, people began calling it the 10th planet. However, it was the very discovery of Eris that led to Pluto (and Eris) being demoted to the classification of "dwarf planet" by the International Astronomical Union in 2006 (in Eris' case, it got this lesser designation even before it was officially called a planet).

So the idea that other large bodies are out there is not a huge secret that TPTB are keeping from all of us peons. Real mainstream scientists are looking for them, such as Mike Brown the astronomer in your article. HOWEVER that doesn't add any more credence to the idea that Nibiru (as Stichin describes it) exists. There is absolutely NO evidence supporting that, and in fact the orbital mechanics of the known solar system is understood very well, and the calculations of those known planets does not support the idea that a rogue body comes storming through the inner solar system every 3600 years.

Links:
Wikipedia Article - Eris
Former ‘10th planet’ officially named Eris
Mike Brown's Eris Webpage

i read all of the posts regarding plant x/nibiru,and for some reason many of you quote Z.Sitien,jus so your all aware if you actully read all of his books in the last one he actully says that he miscalculated the arival time and its not supposed to be here 4 another couple hundred years or so.(when i have time i will edit this post with the nameof the book,page number and recalculated arival date)

Originally posted by Xcalibur254

After doing some quick double-checking, you're correct. However, the iconography for Sun is different from stars and planets. The reason Sitchin claimed Cylinder Seal VA243 depicted the solar system is because he thought the center object with six points depicted the Sun. In truth it is actually a symbol used to depict a star.

First of all, the Sun is a star.

Second of all, if the Sumerians were like the Mesopotamians, they had the same symbol for star/Sun. For the Mesopotamians the symbol was similar to the Sumerian and it represented the ancient star/sun symbol of Shamash.

Third of all, none of the other objects were depicted as stars/suns, but instead they seem to be planets.

Conclusion: only ONE object is depicted as a Sun/star, the others are around this ONE Sun/star. Since the other objects are not depicted as a Sun/star symbol, and since they are around the only Sun/star, it is obvious it is a depiction of a Solar System, our Solar System.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Here is a tablet that depicts the Sumerian symbol for star/planet, Moon, and Sun. You will notice that only one of these symbols appear on Cylinder Seal VA243.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


When you say that the Sun is a star you are referring to modern thoughts, not ancient thoughts. That notion is not germain to the discussion of an ancient depiction.

To sugegst that the seal represents knowledge of planetary system is unsubstantiated. There are few records from Sumer of astronomical observations. Most of the information that they actively did astronomy is inferred rom the use of Sumerian words by the Babylonians.

To my layman's eye (as I don't know this ancient text, hehehe), I would say looking at that picture, from left to right:

Star, Moon, Sun

I would hazard a guess that ancient people did not equate the sun as a star, since one is a huge, blinding orb and the others are small twinkling lights.

Many ancients referred to Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn as "Wandering Stars" as they didn't know they were actually other planets.

Just my humble opinion on that.

Most of these "ancient" texts, can be safely ignored in this context, as it refers to the reason or whys. This applies to Christian, Mayan, Jewish or the Koran, when it comes these issues.

The reason I say so, is because these texts take natural phenomena out of context, and use them to further their agenda. Saying "agenda" here, was not a bad thing in ancient times ... as in those times, theologi was the same as "morality". And at that time, morality needed to be "hammered" into people. And even though one can say that, that would still apply ... even partially. We are in fact, advanced to the point where these texts do not answer our questions, satisfactorily.

Many, take these scriptures as being all knowing, and their own dissatisfaction with our current form of government and the lack of fullfillment in human life. This comes out as frustration, calling for an intervention ... which then looks to the scriptures, for a sign of intervention, as "hope" is in the "intervention" itself. However, such "thinking" is hardly acceptable ...

What we can say about our Universe, is that there are anomalies in our calculations that state as a fact. That we do not know all about our Universe. Not even our own Galaxy. We also know, that throughout history there have been catastrophies that are outlandish. Ranging from the extinction of dynosaurs, to the complete and sudden freeze of mammals in the russian tundra. So fast, that they froze while eating grass.

There is nothing in our current model of our solar system, or the earth that can explain such events. No matter what Phage comes up with ... there just isn't. But neither does it tell us, that there is Nibiru out there, or that there is a God out there looking to punish us, or a devil out there ... wanting to destroy us.

What it does tell us, is that we need to work harder at finding natural causes, such as earth changes and other celestial anomalies that could up for it. Simply coming in here and saying "Nibiru can't be", is not enough. Nibiru may be a long shot, and it may sound implausible ... but the fact that a mammal can freeze at an instant in the tundra of Russia. Tells us, that there are anomalies that far exceed whatever we have or can calculate with our current models. Just as the "size" of the dynosaurs and their bone density, demands that gravity has not been constant during earths lifetime ... so does other anomalies demand that there are celestial issues. And even if we can say that our ancestors were describing the unknown, or using the unknown to further the issue of morality ... it only states, that we can not take their texts literally, but does not state that there is nothing in their texts that can't be looked into, or taken into account.

Hope that lights some issues.

I've seen many YouTube videos about Nibiru, but none address something that bothers me about the 3,600 year eliptical orbit part of it.

What I gather from most of the theories is that there is a brown dwarf (Wormwood or Nemesis) that has several planets orbiting it and Nibiru is one of the planets. So this is a mini solar system that comes closely into our cosmic neighborhood every 3,600 years, according to theories.

O.K., so in order to visit us in that time cycle, the brown dwarf system whips around our sun (gravity) and heads back out into space where in 1,800 Earth years (assuming a constant speed cycle), the brown dwarf (planets in tow) whips around another massive object in order to head back in the direction of our sun.

My question is, what other massive object 1,800 years out there would serve to gravitationally steer Wormwood and Nibiru back in our direction?

So, not only do you have to have the brown dwarf and its planets undetected since telescopes were invented, but you also have to have never detected the outer gravitational post that sends the rogue system back in our direction.

Does anyone see what I'm saying? A brown dwarf getting the slingshot effect from coming in and around our sun would just keep going out into the universe unless there is something out there as massive as our sun to keep the cycle going. Even if such a thing exists, I don't see how the incoming and outgoing trajectories would cycle perfectly enough to count on a precise 3,600 year return to our inner system.

How on earth is this connected to that ridiculous Niburu 2012 nonsense? Do people even realize the distances involved? If that planet really exists (and scientists aren't saying it does!), it couldn't reach us for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time

I hate few things as much as people misinterpreting scientific data to fit their fairytale beliefs.