Who killed the prophet Muhammad? A 1400 year old murder mystery.

One Muslim who is telling the truth

reply to post by redneck13


have you heard of the story of some people dressing like Arabs who went around 9/11 with a van and parked by a neighbourhood and celebrated when the towers were hit? and happened to not be Arabs but another nationality who looked very much like them?

It is quite simple man.

Your little box can tell you anything!

reply to post by azulejo


You know what?
You guys continue with your posts about stuff you know little about but just by "articles" on the internet. I'm not going to waste my time on the internet arguing with people who I don't really care about and couldn't care less about how they/you educate yourselves.

Message to ATS: Would it be possible for someone to tell me to block certain news and threats here to not appear on my ATS? Because I am here for the great articles about fascinating stuff in Philosophy, Science, Astronomy and such that blow my mind. Not this kind of threats that contribute absolutely nothing for the growth of culture and knowledge.

it would be great, if it doesn't exist this feature, to be created. It would be a fantastic idea.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Jameela

An entire thread to insult the Holy Prophet (saw) of another religion! Wow, every single poster in this this thread must be so proud right now! Do you get a prize for being the most insulting toward those others love?

A problem with Islam is that its followers tend to get angry when anyone says anything they don't like about their prophet. Very angry.


But why should that surprise anyone?

Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

Life of God's Messenger

Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD.

His biography of Muhammad's life is consistant with the Koran and Hadith and show Muhammad as an inolerant man of violence.

AND he killed puppies too

reply to post by azulejo


Please, please, oh please do not assume anything about me.

• I learned Islam directly from the lips of sheikhs, muftis, and imams from a multitude of sects and schools of thought.

• I used to be the Amir and Treasurer of an entire Muslim community.

• I have a large collection of acclaimed and respected Islamic literature by some of the most trusted classical scholars and writers.

• I am knowledgable in the Arabic language.

I am an ex Muslim (radical fundamentalist). I am an apostate. I left the religion after nearly a decade of devout adherance and zealous studies.

"Muslims do believe he was crucified. I am not sure where you get that from?"

I got it from the Qur'an:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

- Qur'an, Suratul An-Nisa, Chapter 4 Ayah 157-158

I must start saying that Muslims are not offended by Christians

Muslims ARE offended by Christian beliefs, because in saying, "Jesus is the Son of God" or "Jesus is God in the Flesh" or "God is a Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" this is considered a most high sin known as shirk. Shirk is the worship of anything other than Allah, and shirk is also adding partners to Allah, i.e., (Trinity or Son of God is shirk). It is an unforgivable sin;

Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

- Qur'an, Suratul An-Nisa, Chapter 4, Ayah 48

Say; He is God, The One.
God, The Eternal, The Absolute.
He begets not, nor was He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.

- Qur'an, Suratul Ikhlas (The Purity), Chapter 112

the community where my husband is from wouldn't have allowed me to marry me and embrace me with so much support. He is Muslima nd I am Catholic

I am sorry, you have been fooled by another one of Islam's sexist rules. In Islam, Muslim men are allowed to marry women who are Muslim, Christian, or Jew. Muslim women are only allowed to marry Muslim men. Non-Muslim men are not allowed to marry Muslim women.

"Give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe." [Qur'an 2:221]

"And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those [Christians and Jews] who have received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when you give them their marriage portions." [Qur'an 5:5]

"O ye who believe! When there come to you believing women refugees, examine (and test) them: Allah knows best as to their Faith: if ye ascertain that they are Believers, then send them not back to the Unbelievers. They are not lawful (wives) for the Unbelievers, nor are the (Unbelievers) lawful (husbands) for them." [Qur'an 60:10]

"Men are in charge of women because Allah has made one of them to excel the other and because they spend from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard. As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them, but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great." [Qur'an 4:34]

Time for a slightly off topic hymn

amen

reply to post by Sahabi


maybe you were into a different sect? You said radical Muslims and those are some crazy dudes...

My partner is Muslim and doesnt think like that....

so probably a different kind of Islam

reply to post by Sahabi


I have a Muslim woman friend who is married to a Jewish friend

and they have beautiful children... hows that?!! Family all happy, everyone is happy...

You may have been involved with some dodgy people.. Muslim or not

reply to post by azulejo


You are off topic psychobabble regurgitated onto a computer screen in the form of a written language with out an identity
Wisdom

reply to post by azulejo


There are indeed different sects, but I quoted for you DIRECTLY from the Qur'an.

There is no sectarianism in this regard because these are Qur'an verses, and not discrepancies according to the words of an imam. What I quoted for you is LITERAL words that Allah said, therefore, IT IS ISLAM, not sectarianism.

P.S.
My personal ideology was a radical fundamental one, but I studied under sheikhs, muftis, imams, and scholars who were not radical fundamentalists. My understanding and scope of Islam is not one closed by school of thought or sect.

reply to post by Sahabi


then the ones I hang out with are infidels!

Bad Muslims, I should show them this!!

reply to post by Sahabi


but I am interested in knowing your story to be completely honest.

I also was very dissapointed with my religion and I actually dont practice it.

Everyone judge by their own condition. So in your own eyes, you are right

reply to post by redneck13

Sorry, I didint understand that. That happens a lot when I talk to rednecks

reply to post by azulejo


I would LOVE you to show them this. And while you're at it, say, "Sahabi left Islam and became an apostate. He openly speaks in denouncement of Islam." Tell them this and say I also said, "All humans are my brothers and sisters, assalaamu alaikum."

Ask if they will return my greeting of Salaam. Ask if I am worthy of the death penalty for leaving Islam.


P.S.
I've lost all Muslim friends for leaving the religion and talking in opposition to it. Many have said I am worthy of death because that is the teaching of Islam.

Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by azulejo

 

I would LOVE you to show them this. And while you're at it, say, "Sahabi left Islam and became an apostate. He openly speaks in denouncement of Islam." Tell them this and say I also said, "All humans are my brothers and sisters, assalaamu alaikum."

Ask if they will return my greeting of Salaam. Ask if I am worthy of the death penalty for leaving Islam.


P.S.
I've lost all Muslim friends for leaving the religion and talking in opposition to it. Many have said I am worthy of death because that is the teaching of Islam.

edit on 5/17/12 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)

No man, at all.

I doubt they will condem you... they are one of the most compassionate people I have met

They follow Sufism. I really respect Sufism
You should come and hang out with us. Friends, real friends wouldnt do that... no matter what religion!

I havent been asked to convert for example..and I respect that

reply to post by azulejo



The Qur'an denies Jesus as being God:

They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.

- Qur'an 5:17

The Qur'an denies that Jesus is the Son of God:

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

- Qur'an 9:30

The Qur'an denies the crucifixion of Jesus:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah," but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

- Qur'an 4:157-158

The Qur'an can attack each point of Christian theology, including the crucifixion..... but it is some how disrespectful to debate, question, or discuss Muhammad's death or the validity of Islam?

reply to post by Sahabi


Sahabi but I dont see it as attacking it. I mean... It is re-writing a different religion view.

I was raised Catholic and I dont believe Jesus is God anymore because I believe Jesus is beyond that so, if I read a book that tells me that I do believe it. Jews believe also that Jesus is not God but they believe he was a man only. It is not in the Torah obviously but after Jesus died, that ahs been the believe until now. So do they attach Christians? No, they just have a different view.

Some people believe in different things... Its not a bad thing. We can all learn from the differences and for those that cannot be met then draw a line.

When then people attack other and harm them then taht is the problem. There is absolutely no toleration for that and should not be tolerated. I am speaking in a general way. Many do that from different religions and backgrounds and that it is teh problem today. That people cannot stop attacking each other and accept that the perception is what makes everyone unique.

reply to post by azulejo


I dont think it is bad to discuss anything but I think it would be better to discuss it with people that know about the topic.
Do you think he was murder? I answer teh question by what someone told me.
My Muslim husbands believes he was by a woman who was teh wife of a man Mohammad killed in battle

Have you guys solved the 'murder' yet?