** BREAKING NEWS: The guy handing out fake slates in Maine works for ROMNEY (suprise?) **

Originally posted by DelMarvel

Originally posted by muzzleflash

You mean that when the Paul camp follows the election rules people cry foul and whine?

I'm talking about people here who say it is right to appoint a slate of Paul delegates when the popular vote for that state did not go to Paul because the majority of voters are "sheeple" who shouldn't have a say anyway.

And even a statement from Paul's campaign manager implies that Paul supporters are breaking the rules:

The Ron Paul campaign’s delegate-attainment strategy being implemented nationally at party processes that follow so-called ‘beauty contests’ is not, and has never been, meant to somehow rewrite the outcome of past nominating contests. In Idaho, isolated instances of grassroots activists working toward an ostensible ‘hostile takeover’ of the GOP are not sanctioned by the Ron Paul national campaign

Lastly, our campaign does not want its message that Paul activists be civil and operate in accordance with local GOP rules to have a chilling effect.

www.politico.com...

Oh so we should stop trying to campaign altogether. I get it.

It's illegal we even try to get our guy elected, but it's legal and fine to defraud us?

Right we should shut up sit down and stop rocking the boat, I get it.

reply to post by charles1952


I fail to see how this somehow isn't illegal. Think about all the illegal things you could possibly do in this country. This has def. got to be illegal, get real.

If it isn't technically illegal, then Romney should just get out of this election. Do you want your possible future president involved in these kinds of activities? I mean seriously?

Originally posted by Dance4Life
reply to post by charles1952

 

I fail to see how this somehow isn't illegal. Think about all the illegal things you could possibly do in this country. This has def. got to be illegal, get real.

If it isn't technically illegal, then Romney should just get out of this election. Do you want your possible future president involved in these kinds of activities? I mean seriously?

They don't care how criminal he is.

All they care about is keeping the wars going, keeping the banks afloat, keeping the drug war and terror war going, and keeping the status quo.

They are leeching the rest of us and hoping we don't remove them from the gravy train.
Who cares about morality when you can make huge $$$ killing foreigners or imprisoning millions of locals?

Like they care about the law, HAH.
They think they are above "laws" or "petty morality".

Charlie as in Homeland Security Charlie?

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

While there are a lot of politicians who might deserve your treatment, you do know that he's not violating any federal election laws don't you? This is not a federal election, it's an organization choosing candidates who will later run in a federal election. There might be a violation of Republican rules (although I don't think it's discussed in the rules). But a criminal offense? Would you explain what the offense is?

Misrepresentation and forgery for a start.

Originally posted by muzzleflash


Right we should shut up sit down and stop rocking the boat, I get it.

Well, this guy at least says to stop rocking the boat:

Bradford P. Wyatt, a Worcester businessman who helped lead the pro-Paul movement, has promised the bad dream will not become a reality for Romney. “We like Ron Paul a lot, but Mitt Romney is our nominee,’’ Wyatt said. “We’re not going to abstain. I’ve had conversations with most of the delegates, and I’d say we’re of the same mind that it would be a horrible thing to show disunity at the convention.’’

L INK

Not surprising coming from WILLARD THE RAT ROMNEY!

HELP ME MAKE THAT NAME VIRAL!

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

While there are a lot of politicians who might deserve your treatment, you do know that he's not violating any federal election laws don't you? This is not a federal election, it's an organization choosing candidates who will later run in a federal election. There might be a violation of Republican rules (although I don't think it's discussed in the rules). But a criminal offense? Would you explain what the offense is?

You are probably right. I think it is ok to say something about someone even if you know it is not true so I will go ahead and tell everyone here how you paid a hooker for a bj last night. While you are trying to defend yourself I will hold a vote and you will not be there and I will win.

He may not be breaking federal law or even Republican rules, but he is definitely guilty of scumbaggery! This is just the beginning though and RP supporters see right through this BS. It is unfortunate that so many people are misled by msm and will be easy marks for the Romney train. Those who are already aware of what is happening know these tactics are desperate measures and that means they are way ahead of these ass-clowns already.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by ugie1028
wow... the Romney campaign is grimy as hell!

This is what people do who WANT power. They lie, they cheat, they flip-flop...

I hope this guy gets arrested for fraud.

I'm sure people are much more comfortable with the people who lose the vote but steal the delegates.

That is a much more honest campaign

edit on 11-5-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

Keep crying about it, do you need to be reminded of the democratic Constitutional republic...AGAIN? or will you keep ignoring the obvious?


God your desperation in support of Obama and fear of Ron Paul is so blatant. When you thought Ron Paul was losing (even though you were being TOLD about the delegate strategy but thought it wouldn't work) you ignored Ron Paul after the height of his campaign, now that he is winning delegates and states, you are out in action again.

Classic troll.

DENY IGNORANCE, OUTKAST.

Two quick points here

1. If the opponent wasn't Ron Paul, this would be all over the news, and there is a good chance that he could be cited for election fraud.

2. There are a few people here on ATS which are probably on that list of people being paid by Romney, I just wish I could solidly prove it.

reply to post by muzzleflash and others

Dear Gentlemen

Thank you very much for pointing out that conventions fell under federal election laws, I didn't know of that definition and I'm grateful that you taught me.

I went to your source to see what else I didn't know (a lot) and saw that on page 125 of the 244 page .pdf was a section entitled Title 18. Crimes and Criminal proceedings: Chapter 29-Elections and political activities.

That Section only runs eight pages, so feel free to review it, but I didn't see anything that made this false slate business a crime. There might be an outside chance that Section 1001 was violated, but I doubt it. Here's section 1001 (in part)

Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years,

The problem here is finding that the fake slate was within federal government jurisdiction.

As far as 18 USC 912, Impersonation, goes, that's a non-starter. Here's the law:

Whoever falsely assumes or pretends to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof, and acts as such, or in such pretended character demands or obtains any money, paper, document, or thing of value, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Nobody was pretending to be Ron Paul or anyone who was acting under the authority of the United States. Nobody was pretending to be someone else covered by this section, no crime.
www.law.cornell.edu...

The state perjury laws? Nope, nobody was under oath.

I could easily be missing something, and I'm willing to learn, but I don't see the crime yet.

With respect,
Charles1952

Unbelievable while unfortunately being all too believable. If there was any question in my mind that Romney was a slime bag, there is none now.

reply to post by Dance4Life


Several people here dont realize what was going on here.First the slate is decided by the States GOP party prior to the election. The Ron Paul supports did the same thing in main circulating there own slate which totally messed up the delegates in Maine. Paul's supporters installed their own convention chairman and won 21 out of 24 delegates to the national convention even though Paul finished a close second behind Romney in Maine's nonbinding presidential caucuses.Again here they were trying to steal delegates.What was going on here is the Paul campaign and the Tea Party were challenging the GOP’s slate of national convention delegates with an attempt to elect a slate compiled by them.

But apparently people on here have never been to a convention so you dont understand the slate was allready set the Ron paul slate was the fake one trying to steal more delegates.

PS how can you even argue Ron Paul was treated unfair when he walked away from Main with 21 delegates out of 24 but lost to Romney!!!!!!!!

reply to post by dragonridr


Romney won nothing, your own words contradict your own statement here. Mitt Romney won (cheated) a non binding beauty contest (meaningless) Ron Paul dominated what matters (delegates) why? He had more members participate in the only thing that matters, the delegate hunt. Seems you are the one who doesn't understand what's gone on here.

Not only did Paul win Maine he completely dominated in a cakewalk, 87.5%. Nothing was stolen, the delegates were never Romneys in the first place. Talk about clueless, turn cnn/fox off for a few days.

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Dance4Life

 

PS how can you even argue Ron Paul was treated unfair when he walked away from Main with 21 delegates out of 24 but lost to Romney!!!!!!!!

edit on 5/11/12 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)

What? I can argue Ron Paul was treated unfairly because of the election fraud and the fraud committed at the state convention .

Ron Paul walked away with all of those delegates because Ron Paul supporters are organized and passionate. Romney has money, not passionate supporters.

This will probably be swept under the rug real quick.

Originally posted by macaronicaesar
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Romney won nothing, your own words contradict your own statement here. Mitt Romney won (cheated) a non binding beauty contest (meaningless) Ron Paul dominated what matters (delegates) why? He had more members participate in the only thing that matters, the delegate hunt. Seems you are the one who doesn't understand what's gone on here.

Not only did Paul win Maine he completely dominated in a cakewalk, 87.5%. Nothing was stolen, the delegates were never Romneys in the first place. Talk about clueless, turn cnn/fox off for a few days.

Results for Maine Republican Caucus (U.S. Presidential Primary)
Results
CANDIDATE VOTES PERCENT DELEGATES*

Mitt Romney
2,190 39.2%

Ron Paul
1,996 35.7%

So you dont think Ron Paul supports went against the voters of Maine? You must be a Rontard come on man he lost the election then has his people insert a fake slate they created over the one the GOP created (you know the guys holding the election) then have the gaull to say someone cheated? What planet do you live on where this sounds fair? This has never occured before in a convention in fact made the whole Maine GOP caucus a joke.You truly believe he should have taken 21 of 24 delegates wow you sure believe in democracy dont you Stalin.

And even cheating there's no way Ron Paul could win the GOP nomination and thank god hes a racist. And quite frankly the rest of the United States doesnt want to turn the clock back to the 1800s.He can go sell his garbage to some menonites unfortunately for him there not a big voting block.

reply to post by dragonridr


You are kidding right? You know Ron Paul won the Virgin Island, but yet Romney took all the delegates, and you think that is ok?
www.csmonitor.com...

If Romney does it you say "it is the will of the people", but when Paul supporters do it you say "it is stealing".
I would love to meet you and a few other people on here for coffee, i would love to find out what makes you tick, because to me you don't even seem real. Wait a minute..... Is this Mitt? Do you have another account you use with the handle OutKastSearcher? I kid..... i will do my best too keep your secret Mitt. NOBODY ELSE READ THIS PLEASE!!!! I guess i should of put that in first, sorry Mitt....


Really i do laugh every time you try to take RP or his followers down, of which i am proudly a RP supporter and have been for some time now. Every time i am able to tell someone new about Ron Paul, i can't help but smile knowing that i am opening their eyes to someone alot of them knew nothing about. I even made a DVD with 20 RP speeches. He couldn't stop watching them, he is now a RP supporter. I am so proud.

I hope the guy that was trying to get the fake slates passed out has to face all the laws that his masters put in place. Bet he becomes a RP supporter after that.

Ron Paul 2012 or none at all

reply to post by dragonridr

But apparently people on here have never been to a convention so you dont understand the slate was allready set the Ron paul slate was the fake one trying to steal more delegates.

But this woman was. She was at the convention and her name was on the fake slate (not at her request.)



adventuresinautism.blogspot.com...

She even provides photographic evidence and the guy's name on a Romney FEC expenditures list. How much more clear cut could it be?

then has his people insert a fake slate they created over the one the GOP created (you know the guys holding the election)

How could theirs be a "fake slate" She very clearly states that Ron Paul was handing out a suggested list and this Romney person inserted a fake suggested list.Confusion and obfuscation.

Originally posted by dragonridr
This has never occured before in a convention in fact made the whole Maine GOP caucus a joke.You truly believe he should have taken 21 of 24 delegates wow you sure believe in democracy dont you Stalin.

You should probably take a basic political science class because then you'd know we are under a republic and not a democracy. Democracy is rule by majority, so why don't you ask yourself why the popular vote doesn't determine who the president is, but the electoral college does? By the way only a fraction of Maine's population actually voted at the caucus so how are you suggesting the results of that vote represent the entire state, according to your flawed logic?