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Originally posted by Justmytype
knowledge is also a form of someone elses persona. I can say this is blue, knowing in my mind it might be something else, where as bet555 may believe we come from another lifeform. Does this make him wrong???
one should never judge anothers belief in what is real.
How come we easily accept there are micro particles floating in front of us but we cannot see them with the human eye but a scientist can see them through a microscope?
Which is the distortion? Has the scientist found a gap within this, which can be seen through a machine, or has he convinced others that what he see�e through the glass eye and magnification process of his machine is what we do not have the capabilities of seeing ourselves?
and to the poster who believes in "shrinks" have a nice life as a puppet because your own mind will never be free..
take care and keep on questioning the answers are out there we just havent found them yet.
Bett555
I think these things are true because when I start talking about how I can control my dreams, my friends trip out on me
My girlfriend gets freaked out b/c I talk to her about stuff that she doesn't know I know
It is hard sometimes to not listen to what I feel.
Originally posted by Justmytype
Nygdan
You are seriously missing the point. If you scribbled on a piece of paper and truely believed that the scribbles meant something but others looked at it as nothing but scribbles, Who's wrong? Answer. Nobody
... yes we all see floating little particles but what are they actually.... the scientist perception is bacteria, molds, etc..that he has named from what he has seen and now these shapes have names for others to identify them as
Questioning things outside the norm is not being nuts its actually understanding "How and Why" someone came up with the answers they have given you that you feel are correct.
Originally posted by Justmytype
Nygdan,
Yes, I as you do believe that a tree is a tree and water is water as we see it through the human eye. This cannot change and will always look the same to each of us. Now, ask yourself why? Its because you were taught this is what water looks like and this is what a tree looks like, so in turn everybody interpets this as the same thing.
In a nutshell isnt this all scientist do, try to prove things and make them work better or function diffrent?
wouldnt it be nice that if you were able to think outside the box in order to truely understand something than to just discredit it for what someone else has already stated is proof.
the greatest minds in our history were thought to be crack pots and why was this? Because they all were not satisfied with someone elses answers.
Blue is blue
Hot is Hot
Cold is Cold
and so on and so on.
Your perception or someone elses that has been passed down through generations and generations of eveloution.
Nygdan You pretend to be a free thinker but you make a statement like that? If your thoughts cannot be clearly abnd coherently put forward so that others can analyse and understand them, well, why even mention that you have them? If you are reaching blocks or limits in your perception, why not try to explain them? Perhaps others have gotten past similiar blocks? Also, and i think this is a decent rule of thumb, if you can't explain something to someone else, then you don't really understand it. (actually I think that the original saying was something liek 'don't try to explain something you don't understand' or some such)
Originally posted by tandino
I don't feel I should have to explain something to you (which I already stated that I could not define in the 'normal' way) but i'll try anyway...
What I feel I am experiencing is a huge release, an ascension or awakening of some description.
I hope I have helped you think for yourself by offering my thoughts for you to analyse.
or whether Mother Nature does it for us.
A person doesn't learn that blue is blue or any of these other things. They learn their cultures names for them, and any tangentially associated things, but blue looks blue, hot things have heat, and cold things are cold, whether or not you are told they are.
Originally posted by Justmytype
A person doesn't learn that blue is blue or any of these other things. They learn their cultures names for them, and any tangentially associated things, but blue looks blue, hot things have heat, and cold things are cold, whether or not you are told they are.
Nygdan,
You completely contradict yourself by saying this above. Blue looks blue, hot things have heat, and cold things are cold. If you were not taught as a child that blue is blue then what would you call it?
whether or not you are told they are.
Since this is a discussion forum, it would seem to make sense to discuss the subjects when posting yes.
Perhaps you are then. Have you been mediatating or somethign like that? Usually acheiving 'higher spiritual planes' is not described as being associated with anything but serious effort to acheive it or something like it. Also, not to sound condescending, but, if you are one, teenagers often go thru something quite like this. Just because its common doesn't mean its inauthentic or not-meaningful.
Why do you think that the planet will react as a whole or as an intelligence against humanity? Why do you think humanity would even be seperate from that planetary whole?
quote: Originally posted by Justmytype
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A person doesn't learn that blue is blue or any of these other things. They learn their cultures names for them, and any tangentially associated things, but blue looks blue, hot things have heat, and cold things are cold, whether or not you are told they are.
Nygdan,
You completely contradict yourself by saying this above. Blue looks blue, hot things have heat, and cold things are cold. If you were not taught as a child that blue is blue then what would you call it?
it's called Global Warming - humanity as a whole is 100% responsible for this.
Originally posted by tandino
there is a difference between explaining something to an individual and discussing something as a group is there not?
Are you trying to put across that none of us here are actually experiencing what we feel we are, but are instead imagining it?
Global Warming - humanity as a whole is 100% responsible for this. When you become ill, your immune system kicks in.
The reaction is to get rid of the infection, humanity is that infection and global warming is the reaction...
But wait a minute, haven't I just contradicted myself by saying that this Earth's immune system only exists because of our treatment of Earth itself?
a cancer.
But blue isn't always blue, cold isn't always cold and, on the flipside, sometimes a cake is exactly that, a cake.
marjaxson
This has just turned into a debate with Nygdan and Justmytype
Totally agree with you there justmytype [re:I contradicted myself]
So would both of these clones be the same person