Student's 'Jesus' shirt sparks feud with school

Originally posted by discordantone

Do you not see the contradiction between being against Christians trying (and failing) to ban pro-homosexual t-shirts and being for non-Christians trying (and succeeding) to ban pro-Christian t-shirts?

NO!

Religion is a personal belief. It is a choice.

Homosexuality is a birth right of a minority group that is being denied equality.

Originally posted by mainidh


This is really pathetic in the extreme. You're using the argument that Schools should be separate from this, and sure. but his decision is not the schools.

I absolutely 100% support separation of church and state.

Which means NO religion - non-religion - anti-religion of any kind in public school.

reply to post by Annee


Are you atheist by chance?

I've met a lot of non-Christians who agree that religion is a highly important part of history, since it has been the root of many laws and beliefs that have determined modern culture in many countries around the world, including America, Europe, and Canada.

Christianity is one of those religions, and many of the French (Anglo-Saxons) have an ancient Christian heritage, which makes it unfair that their inherited history should be withheld from their education, especially considering their families aren't paid to be particularly accurate with historical accounts. Furthermore, taking into account that most of the publicly schooled students are likely learning about ancient Egyptian gods, there is no reason not to teach about Christianity. It is quite simple to teach about Christianity without providing a sermon...give a clear-cut history, some expert opinions, and the basic effect and influence it has on history. No need to convert any students. It's easy.

To be perfectly clear, I am not saying Canada is predominantly French. It is just an example.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Annee

 

Are you atheist by chance?

What does that have to do with anything.

I said ban ALL - - religious - non-religious - anti-religious T-shirts.

Oh wait - - - you're gonna do the "Atheist is a Religion" rant - - - AGAIN!

The Persistent And Incorrect Belief That Atheism Is A Religion atheists.org...

reply to post by Annee


You have incorrectly anticipated that I would say "Atheism is a religion."

You have assumed, and....POOF! you're an ass. Magical, eh?

I, for one, do not support the oppression of belief. I support the free expression of thoughts, opinions, and beliefs, because how else is anyone going to learn the truth? Apparently, you think beliefs are an evil thing, but that's all on you.

If someone can say, "Santa Claus is awesome" and then go on to talk about how Santa rides a sleigh and stuff, then there's absolutely no reason not to be able to praise Jesus in school. Hell, you see little paper Santas all over the school, and he is PROVEN to not be real.

So what's the big deal with God and Jesus? What's the big deal with believing in something that has a positive influence, or talking about it? It's not like Christians go around saying "Hey, Jesus is gonna kill you in your sleep, you little sissy!"

reply to post by milkyway12


There are certain atheists who like to throw around the insulting word "Jeebus" because they think it will hurt Christian's feelings. It is just a type of meanness, kinda like "Mean Girls". But like you say, there's upwards of 2.1 Trillion people in the Christian religion alone. Only about 16 per cent of the population of the world is non-religious/atheist. That's quite a minority don't you think?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by milkyway12

 

There are certain atheists who like to throw around the insulting word "Jeebus" because they think it will hurt Christian's feelings.

And there are also Atheists like me who always show respect by capitalizing: Jesus - Christians - Him - etc.

"There are those who truly walk in His footsteps" - - - unfortunately few and far between.

Yet - - the respect is rarely returned.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Annee

 

You have incorrectly anticipated that I would say "Atheism is a religion."

You have assumed, and....POOF! you're an ass. Magical, eh?

OK - - I'll apologize for that this time.

But - - I do not and have never agreed with you that Christianity needs to be a part of any public school curriculum.

History can be taught - - - without discussing the belief itself.

Originally posted by babybunnies
This is very likely nothing to do with the nature of the slogan at all.

When I was in school, we were allowed casual wear but were NOT allowed slogans of ANY kind, as far as I'm aware many schools still have this policy.

Slogans (and sports team logos) are banned simply because of this sort of issue. Likely the kid was asked to remove the shirt because it had a slogan, absolutely nothing to do with removing it because it was religious in nature.

That's pretty much what I was saying. Not to mention you can't even read the words "without Jesus" unless your standing right in front of the guy. So what you really see is the word "WASTED' and then "Life Without" above it. It's not until you're up close that you can even read the reference to Jesus. So, to me, it seems that the school was worried about a kid walking around with a t-shirt that pretty much just read "WASTED". If you're walking down the halls, you most likely wouldn't have a clue in the world as to what exactly the shirt said.

reply to post by Pinke


Catholic school is a private parish and parents generally decide to send their kids there for a reason. It is likely your parents were the same. The alternative would have been the public school. There are some private secular schools which are mostly the same as the public schools considering the same curriculum is used. Think of it. Your parents thought so much of you that they spent money to send you to a private Catholic school instead of riding on the taxpayer funded public school. And don't forget they still had to pay the public school tax because the Democrats refuse to give us the option of school vouchers.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Society now is that if anyone feels "made uncomfortable" by anything at all, they can have it removed. There is nothing at all "liberal" about this, this is hard, cold fascism.

This isn't society.

This is high school.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Society now is that if anyone feels "made uncomfortable" by anything at all, they can have it removed. There is nothing at all "liberal" about this, this is hard, cold fascism.

This isn't society.

This is high school.

It is the Brave New World society created by Orwellians who want a Totalitarian State.

reply to post by Annee


Double post. ATS really needs to work on that habit, seriously...

reply to post by Annee


That's like saying you can explain the workings of an atom without actually naming the particles.

"See, kids, there's this little thing over here that revolves around this bigger bit here, and this other thing is the same size as the first thing...tell ya what, we'll call them Jeff, Bob, and Sam. See, Sam here in the middle has an obesity problem, and Jeff and Bob over here are little runts. One likes trucks, and the other don't. That's what make 'em different see? Y'all keepin' up?"

That's real genius work there, ma'am.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Society now is that if anyone feels "made uncomfortable" by anything at all, they can have it removed. There is nothing at all "liberal" about this, this is hard, cold fascism.

This isn't society.

This is high school.

Wait. I thought high school prepares you for society?

That's what MY teachers always told me.

Seriously, where do you pull this stuff from? Your little book of comebacks?

reply to post by nunya13


And yet, the school has no problem letting kids wear its own logo.

If I were really as big a douche as people say I am, I would go back to school and say, "Everyone boycott the school logo and sweaters until we have the freedom to express our own clothing."

reply to post by Annee

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by discordantone

Do you not see the contradiction between being against Christians trying (and failing) to ban pro-homosexual t-shirts and being for non-Christians trying (and succeeding) to ban pro-Christian t-shirts?

NO!

Religion is a personal belief. It is a choice.

Homosexuality is a birth right of a minority group that is being denied equality.

Nonsense!

Freedom of expression is the birthright of ALL citizens born in Canada and the United States. That freedom IS NOT DEPENDENT upon one's religion or sexual orientation!

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by Annee

This isn't society.

This is high school.

Yes, and the kids are so very sensitive that they shouldnt be exposed to views alternative to the public curriculum, right?

And let me guess, they shouldnt be playing football either, because competition breeds inequality, right?

And girls shouldnt be wearing skirts because its gender discrimination, right?

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by Annee

This isn't society.

This is high school.

Yes, and the kids are so very sensitive that they shouldnt be exposed to views alternative to the public curriculum, right?

And let me guess, they shouldnt be playing football either, because competition breeds inequality, right?

And girls shouldnt be wearing skirts because its gender discrimination, right?

Did I mention anything besides religion (non-anti)? NO I did not.

I support political - sports - music - interests - etc.

As long as they are not accompanied with an inflammatory message.

reply to post by Annee


So basically, you're against the education of the one thing that provides any source of hope in a world going to hell?

I'm voting you for president!