Alan Shepard Is So Much A Big Fake, Reading His Story Makes Patriotic Americans Crave Antiemetics

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by decisively

 

The percentage of individuals developing Meniere's Disease bilaterally is oddly enough not known with certainty, despite rather intensive study of the problem. One finds in the literature figures as low as 10% and as high as 70%. Regardless, bilateral disease develops with reasonable frequency, and when it does, it seldom is such that the so affected individual presents with disease in both ears.

So you are a doctor qualified to make a judgment in this particular situation?

I didn't think so.


So you have something stuck in your craw with Apollo. Instead of attacking physical evidence you go after something as obscure as the ear condition of one astronaut.

Why don't you tell us why you don't believe we went to the Moon? Get to the basics of it.
Is it because we haven't gone back?
Is it because we could not have with the tech of the day?
Why did we go to all that trouble to create such a big hoax?

reversly are YOU a doctor?
no
then how can you pass judgement on the OP?

reply to post by decisively

As discussed at length above, William House, Alan shepard's surgeon, wrote that the good Dr. Berry claimed House's surgery fixed Shepard's established 40dB hearing loss. We are NOT talking about vertigo here, but rather, HEARING LOSS."

Draining the inner ear may have reduced the mechanical pressure and the tinnitus went away, resulting in improved acuity. Your rants are getting boring.

reply to post by decisively


But you have not shown that the flights that Sheppard was not on, were fakes too.

Why does one astronauts problem negate the entire program?

reply to post by decisively

No problem, you shall catch on soon enough. Here's a good exercise for you. See if you can demonstrate that House might have been able to fix Shepard's hearing. Can you find some cases in the literature where an individual with hearing loss on the basis of Meniere's Disease had it restored with an operation ?

I've done so. Why have you abandoned this thread? The least you can do is acknowledge that you were wrong.

Tell you what, decisively. If you make Shepard's Menière's Syndrom the topic of a formal debate in the Debate Forum, I'll explain its etiology to you.

Hero Shepard peed his pants on Mercury

decisively,

Alan Shepard: Sitting on Top of a Rocket
THE DATE IS MAY 5, 1961. Alan Shepard, the first American to be put into space, awaits his moment in history inside his tiny Mercury capsule. He is just going to go up and come back down. He isn’t even going to orbit Earth. The whole trip is supposed to last only 15 minutes, so why bother equipping his spacesuit with a device that would allow him to urinate safely, right? However, after Shepard is strapped into his seat, delay after delay occurs. He communicates to mission control that he needs to urinate. Mission control tells him to hang in there, launch is about to occur.

Think about this situation. You are the first astronaut to sit on top of a rocket—a potential bomb. Wouldn’t you be just a little nervous? Shepard radios down that he can’t hold it much longer. NASA begins to worry because the “window” for launch requires perfect timing. They tell Shepard that he can’t get out of the capsule now. And besides, the hatch is bolted shut, so charges would have to be ignited to blow off the door. Finally, Shepard radios NASA that he can’t wait any longer.

So what does NASA do? They tell him to go ahead and wet his pants.

Shepard is wired from head to toe, electronically connected to all sorts of technical equipment. When he follows NASA’s instructions and wets his pants, instruments start short-circuiting all over the place. We’ll skip the disgusting details except for this: In the cockpit on the launchpad, Shepard’s head was lower than his feet! With all the time and money NASA spent planning the mission, you’d think they would have considered something as basic as an astronaut’s need to urinate! (Neufeldt, 1997). Source Neufeldt, D.E. (1997). Description of Alan Shepard incident written for Santrock’s Psychology (6th ed.). Madison, WI:
Brown & Benchmark.

reply to post by DJW001

A lecture series of most prodigious promise

Gee DJW001, what a simply grand offer. One life to live and I am going to commit part of mine to a debate with a guy who insults me on a regular basis, a guy who is despite the insults, ever so kind as to offer a lecture series in debate format no less, get me up to speed on the pathophysiologic mechanism of Meniere's Disease based vertigo and hearing loss . It's almost too good to pass up. If the challenger were to go it all one step further and include a lecture series on INFLUENZA and the 1968 Hong Kong flu pandemic, it may well be simply too good an offer to ignore.

Not....

Why not give SayonaraJupiter or LongJohnBritches a shot at your proposed debate/challenge, perhaps they are possessed of a kinder disposition when it comes to forgiving the tresspasses of this forum's insult peddlers. I on the other hand, am far too focused on the task at hand to be distracted by one who finds such delight in calling me names.

On the other hand, on some funny little level, I do understand entirely. I one time wrote a long and polite letter to Neil Armstrong and literally begged him to do the right thing. When he did not write me back, I was quick to poke fun, though Neil cannot say he was not warned, and warned in many ways. And of course Neil started it all, urinated on my back and then turned around and told me that it was really just only raining. That Neil, what a kidder. So anyhoo, it really ain't the same thing after all.

Back on topic, to be sure, though most of the time , my view is that House actually surgerized Shepard. I sometimes wonder if the ain'tstronaut may have simply undergone sham surgery. I wonder if House may not have simply played along, having been asked by Berry/NASA to participate peripherally in the ruse. Of course House wouldn't be told Apollo was fraudulent, only that they needed his help to get their best astronaut into outer space without actually running the risk of damaging said astronaut's ear with a real surgery. Under such a scenario, House would have agreed to SAY he operated on Shepard when he actually had not. Berry might have told House that for the most part, Shepard was well, had few vertiginous attacks, and as such, they could go ahead and use this super valuable astronaut if only House would simply agree to say he operated on Shepard in secret once upon a sneaky hospital visit. .

What sort of makes sense as regards this possibility is that the official story has the Shepard Meniere's Disease surgery occurring in secrecy with no one knowing where Shepard went, and what he was doing.


articles.latimes.com...

Note how this article indicates it was 2 years before Shepard was cleared for his Apollo flight. Actually, Shepard himself said the doctors studied him for 7-8 months after the surgery and then declared him fit for flight. All, totally BOGUS.

Why don't you hit us straight away with the Meniere's lecture DJW001 ? No need to formally debate me. Tell us all how Alan Shepard really ain't a big fat phony fraud of an ain'tstronaut.

reply to post by decisively

Why not give SayonaraJupiter or LongJohnBritches a shot at your proposed debate/challenge...?

Because they might win. You, on the other hand, are making it extremely clear you believe you would certainly lose. Incidentally, your long winded post might help you understand why NASA doctors would never deign to debate you.

May 5, 1961, Alan Shepard is America's first man in space. He peed his pants in the spacesuit because NASA ordered him to do so. The electrical circuits in his Mercury space suit shorted out. The flight was over in "16 minutes".

That it is one way to portray the historical narrative.

Later, after his miraculous recovery from experimental surgery, the Meniere's disease was "cured" and prior to his Apollo 14 command flight, Shepard indicated to network television that his motivation was determined by self gratification of his own his ego.



"4 minutes 20 seconds velocity now reading 10 thousand 750 feet per second and accelerating.

The voice you're hearing from ground control, that voice is John Macleash, the voice of Apollo, mission control in Houston, The Capsule Communicator you hear talking to the spacecraft is Major Gordon Fullerton, one of the astronauts. and the voice you hear from the Apollo is that of the Command Module Pilot 37 year old Stuart Roosa.
"

Fullerton joined NASA in September 1969 after the cancellation of the MOL program. After assignment to the NASA Johnson Space Center as an astronaut, Fullerton served on the support crews for the Apollo 14, 15, 16 and 17 lunar missions. Source en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


did you forget that everything was in its early stages? still in testing?? technically the apollo missions were still a test..

you know what they do in tests?? they try to find faults in the systems used.. if they found out that peeing in the suit would short the suit out while they were on the moon, than the astronauts life will be at risk.. yet for some reason you believe early testing of what peeing in a suit in space would do means something other than a test?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

May 5, 1961, Alan Shepard is America's first man in space. He peed his pants in the spacesuit because NASA ordered him to do so. The electrical circuits in his Mercury space suit shorted out. The flight was over in "16 minutes".

That it is one way to portray the historical narrative.

Correct; nevertheless, it is a historical fact. Why do you have so much difficulty keeping the two straight?

Originally posted by choos
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

did you forget that everything was in its early stages? still in testing?? technically the apollo missions were still a test..

you know what they do in tests?? they try to find faults in the systems used.. if they found out that peeing in the suit would short the suit out while they were on the moon, than the astronauts life will be at risk.. yet for some reason you believe early testing of what peeing in a suit in space would do means something other than a test?

I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that NASA engineers and planners never considered that Shepard might be bolted & locked inside a Mercury capsule for more than an hour.

Shepard should have been provided with some sort of fancy DoD urine-reservoir inside his astro suit.

Doesn't a U-2 flight suit provide the U-2 pilots with some relief in this regard?

Surely, being a fomer DoD pilot and test pilot Alan Shepard would have suggested it.
Surely- somebody should have known about this before he was bolted inside the capsule for a :"live" mission.... once again, from the source I cited...

Shepard is wired from head to toe, electronically connected to all sorts of technical equipment. When he follows NASA’s instructions and wets his pants, instruments start short-circuiting all over the place.

Was the suit shorted out completely ?
How much data did NASA receive from his space suit during his 16-minute, non-orbital, glory trip?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Was the suit shorted out completely ?
How much data did NASA receive from his space suit during his 16-minute, non-orbital, glory trip?

And this is why I have never challenged you to a debate. Descisively, however, is, erm, "low lying fruit."

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


nope im wrong it wasnt a test, thought it was done in orbit and wanted to confirm the what would happen with the suit in zero g in the event of urination. which would be different to atmospheric flight.
he had to wait in the capsule for 4hrs and couldnt hold it anymore. You conspiracy theorists help me find out stuff i never would have known.

it was planned to be a short flight, and they did not expect the delays. looks like they figured they wouldnt need any urine collection methods on board adding unnecessary weight.

i dont know if it shorted any of the attached electrical components though.
this site doesnt say but says they turned the electrical off before he done it, and it quickly dried from the 100% oxygen flowing through the suit..

from Gus Grissoms mercury launch onwards they had strap-on urine receptacles for astronaut use.

oh and the mission objectives for shepard's flight:

Mission Objective:
The main scientific objective of project Mercury was to determine man's capabilities in a space environment and in those environments to which he will be subject upon going into and returning from space. A few of the basic flight problems included: The development of an automatic escape system, vehicle control during insertion, behavior of space systems, evaluation of pilots capabilities in space, in flight monitoring, retrofire and reentry maneuvers and landing and recovery.

www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Was the suit shorted out completely ?
How much data did NASA receive from his space suit during his 16-minute, non-orbital, glory trip?

And this is why I have never challenged you to a debate. Descisively, however, is, erm, "low lying fruit."

DJW would stomp all over me in a formal, moderated debate. I'm just a history nerd In Search Of... a more accurate Apollo/Nixon narrative.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

DJW would stomp all over me in a formal, moderated debate. I'm just a history nerd In Search Of... a more accurate Apollo/Nixon narrative.

I disagree. You are very good at researching the record and finding unexpected connections. All I could do in the face of that is protest that, say, just because Borman was Nixon's favorite astronaut doesn't mean they were engaged in a criminal conspiracy together. On a conspiracy site like ATS, that sort of argument doesn't really carry much weight. The moderators would favor you for spotting the connections, while dinging me for not being able to prove a double negative!

Alan Shepard, We Hardly Knew Ye

decisively,

Please give my regards to your research team. Shepard Apollogist, Neal Thompson, author of "Light This Candle: The Life and Times of Alan Shepard." reveals just how easy it is to fool NASA doctors.

Hiding his health problems from NASA doctors, exactly what Michael Collins did. Shepard told his Navy buddy to keep his dizzy spell’s a secret. Why didn't NASA detect Meniere's Syndrome before his Mercury flight?

Neal Thompson: That's a good question, and I don't think we'll ever know for sure why NASA didn't detect Shepard's illness. I did find a Navy friend of Shepard's who said the symptoms first appeared around the time that Shepard was selected. Shepard asked his buddy to keep quiet about his dizzy spells, knowing it'd be the end of his astronaut career. And Wally Schirra told me that none of them knew until later just how bad the episodes had been: “He hid that well,” Schirra said. Source www.space.com...

Neal Thompson: Although Shepard admitted to NASA doctors that morning that he experienced some "butterflies," I don't think fear would be something he would ever admit to. This is a guy who landed wounded jets on storm-tossed aircraft carriers, so he had learned how to control fear and anxiety.

Shepard was a perfectionist and he was determined to make sure his performance that day was flawless. Then again, he was also incredibly eager and impetuous (i.e. "light this candle!"), so the one emotion he did show that morning was impatience. He wanted NASA engineers to stop fiddling and fretting and to get on with the mission. Source www.space.com...

What Neal Thompson fails to mention is that Shepard peed his pants on Mercury Freedom 7.

So what does NASA do? They tell him to go ahead and wet his pants.

Shepard is wired from head to toe, electronically connected to all sorts of technical equipment. When he follows NASA’s instructions and wets his pants, instruments start short-circuiting all over the place.
Source (Neufeldt, 1997). Source Neufeldt, D.E. (1997). Description of Alan Shepard incident written for Santrock’s Psychology (6th ed.). Madison, WI: Brown & Benchmark.

Shepard enjoyed his rectal examinations, too. This is the first time I've seen any reference to Shepard as being a "prankster". I've seen Shepard in interviews and he admitted that he wanted to go back in space for the gratification of his own ego.

Neal Thompson: “One day, Shepard the prankster decided to mess with them. As a bespectacled young doctor slowly inserted the 'steel eel' into Shepard’s rectum, Shepard began moaning and slowly rocking his hips back and forth. 'Oh, yeah,' he said in a low whisper. 'Mmmm, that’s good. More... give me more.'
Another astronaut candidate -- John 'Mitch' Mitchell, Shepard’s former flying partner from the USS Oriskany -- was in the room, shaking with silent laughter as the stone-faced young doctor turned cherry red." Source www.space.com...

Another incident of Astronauts keeping secrets from Astronauts? Mitchell was doing ESP experiments on Apollo 14, and knowing Shepard wouldn’t approve, didn’t mention it. How could Shepard not know that Mitchell was doing experiments on the sly? Were they in the same spacecraft? I don't know.

Neal Thompson: I never came across any information regarding Shepard seeing or experiencing anything "unexplained." But I do describe in "Light This Candle" the ESP experiments that his Apollo 14 partner Ed Mitchell conducted to and from the moon. When I interviewed Mitchell, he told me he knew Shepard wouldn't have approved of his experiments so he never told him. When the news was later leaked to the press, Shepard assumed they were making it up, and Mitchell nervously confessed. Source www.space.com...

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Hiding his health problems from NASA doctors, exactly what Michael Collins did. Shepard told his Navy buddy to keep his dizzy spell’s a secret. Why didn't NASA detect Meniere's Syndrome before his Mercury flight?

There you go, Doctor decisively, an important clue to the syndrome's etiology! I can't believe you still haven't figured it out. I practically handed it to you on a silver platter.

An Eternity of Infamy ??????

Flipping through Richard Orloff and David Harland's APOLLO, THE DEFINITIVE SOURCEBOOK(Springer publishing, 2006), I came across this mind blowing statement on page 393/394, from the Chapter Dedicated to Apollo 14;

"Shepard subsequently developed an ear disorder, Meniere's syndrome, which caused the NAVY to forbid him to fly solo in jet planes and forced NASA to ground him. He then became chief of the astronaut office. In 1969, however, Shepard underwent experimental surgery that corrected the problem. He was restored to full status in May and assigned to command Apollo 14 in August."

Innocent statement enough , No ? Actually, a potential HAYMAKER.

Harland essentially NEVER GETS HIS MATERIAL FACTS WRONG, interpretations, especially as regards Apollo authenticity aside. That is Harland's roll. He is a pseudoacademic consolidater. In effect, he is one of the guys to filter out the apocrypha and give us all the "WORD". He is ten levels above Chaikin on the credibility scale, and may well be an insider. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, not accuse him unduly . We have a ways to go with our Harland research before leveling such a serious charge. That said, Harland's writings have garnered our attention. He is is an individual meriting the most intense scrutiny. Time shall tell.

Harland's allegiance aside, he NEVER GETS HIS MATERIAL FACTS WRONG, NEVER. If HARLAND was the one that wrote Shepard had surgery in 1969, then there is no question that there are publicly available documents of some sort that substantiate this. This is what Harland is about, documenting the details of all this Apollo nonsense in an academic way, in a way Chaikin cannot. This, because of Chaikin' legitimate and ever so painful to witness naivete'.

Let's assume Harland did write this and there are public documents that substantiate his claim, which would at this time seem to be more likely than not the case, this would mean that IN LESS THAN 5 MONTH'S TIME, SHEPARD WENT FROM SURGERY TO PROOF OF CURE, PROOF OF THE FACT THAT HIS MENIERE'S DISEASE WAS CURED. That of course would be impossible by any medical logic.(For those unaware, Shepard was restored to duty in May 1969 and this is a fact not in dispute. Prior to reading this, I had always assumed Shepard's surgery, real or sham, was "performed" in 1968. )

Insider with the role of official cannon consolidater vs honest and curious academic we shall one day know with certainty, but for today and regardless, if you are correct about this one David Harland, you've just damned Shepard to an eternity of infamy.

EUREKA !!!!!, 1969, I found it again !!!!

myhero.com...


From the above article....

"In 1964, he was originally assigned to a Gemini mission, but developed Ménière's disease. Ménière's disease is when fluids build up inside the inner ear, leading to severe headaches and nausea. He had corrective surgery in 1969 and was restored to full flight status in May of that year. "