Banks Cooperating With Each Other and Police to Track Occupy Protesters

I have a legit question...

What would happen and OWS got its way

no more nanny state, no more welfare (because that's against the constitution) Everyone works for themselves, but there are no liberal art jobs.. no musical theater jobs and everyone still has 100K student loans... WHY? Because its the capitalist thing to do...


From what I see today, It seems that OWS really doesn't want the constitution they still want free college and to burn the city down

reply to post by DrNotforhire


If OWS had it's way we would all live in a communist utopia singing kumbaya by the fire as we turned our plow shares into pruning hooks.

Tom Morello is out there at the moment with a group of guitarists, who'll be marching in NYC at 2pm. Info :

Rage Against The Machine guitarist Tom Morello has put out calls for a "GuitArmy" to join him at New York's Occupy Wall Street demonstration, due to meet in Bryant Park in the city later today.

Using his Twitter to get the message out, the guitarist said:

"I'm putting a new band together and ur in it. Our 1st rehearsal is tomm noon @ Bryant Park in NYC. Looking for about 10,000 guitar players [sic]"

Tom Morello summons 'GuitArmy' to Wall Street protest

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
The idea is to protect Liberty and the freedom and integrity of the American People.

Exactly. So how is OWS exercising their constitutional right to protest a bad thing? Why are you working with the establishment to mislabel them and put them down at every turn for protesting? Maybe you don't like their agenda, but it's their constitutional right to protest for their agenda. Why are you not standing up for THEIR liberties and freedom instead of just your own?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by DrNotforhire

 

If OWS had it's way we would all live in a communist utopia singing kumbaya by the fire as we turned our plow shares into pruning hooks.

edit on 1-5-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)

Boy, this sounds a lot like:

According to you and your group, anyone who disagrees with you is called a fascist.

Or, you know, a communist.

reply to post by 00nunya00


Look, Im all for it as long as their is not any violence. Which there already has been in the past. But I have nothing against them using their 1st amendment right. I am not particularly fond of the movement, but I respect their right to do so, as long as they are not inciting violence or riots or violence against police.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Right on, then. I'm all for that. I don't want violence either, and I don't think the vast majority of them do either----they're the ones risking getting beat back, after all. I think a lot of the violence you've seen has been from the same camp of people that brought the horribly racist signs to the TP rallies and stood around with exposed firearms trying to make them look like a bunch of nuts. I don't buy the notion that that's all OWS or the TP is about. They're just discrediting a much larger, much more powerful and universally held sentiment that OWS and the TP represent.

Couple of views from Tim Pool who's in NYC at the moment covering events. He's spent more time with OWS than any of us put together, so I think what he says should be listened to :

1) The Occupy movement isn't mainly about being anti-capitalist, but instead about highlighting and doing something about the collusion between corporations and government.

2) OWS isn't a socialist movement, and has people from across the political spectrum. He says he thinks in his own view, it's more liberal reformist. He wasn't really happy even adding liberal to it though with the negative associations that brings.


To those against OWS without hardly any facts to back you up : Probably important for you to have a think about, even though I don't have much faith that you'll stop and actually do that. I guess things like this will just be breezed past and you'll just go back around in circles. Maybe because division is the main idea here, whether you're openly for that or it's just been conditioned into you.

I'm just trying to help.

edit : Tim's with Tom Morello and the GuitArmy live here - www.ustream.tv...

Text updates with pictures covering what's going on around America here : May Day Occupy protests - live coverage

isn't rage against the machine...

an anarchist band?

reply to post by robhines


LOL, watching that stream now, and the best sign I've seen so far:

"I shower every day. Sometimes twice."

Well today is a day of solidarity!

The banks are working together

oh joy!

reply to post by 00nunya00

Exactly. So how is OWS exercising their constitutional right to protest a bad thing? Why are you working with the establishment to mislabel them and put them down at every turn for protesting? Maybe you don't like their agenda, but it's their constitutional right to protest for their agenda. Why are you not standing up for THEIR liberties and freedom instead of just your own?

Oh please!!  

You can't be serious. Ok, let me ask you this. Where in the constitution does an American citizen have a right to 1) break windows on private banks, 2) set trash cans on fire, 3) vandalize vehicles, 4) obstruct people from entering businesses, 5) block roadways....I can go on. 

Show me that these actions are constitutionally protected and I'll be on board. 

reply to post by seabag

You can't be serious. Ok, let me ask you this. Where in the constitution does an American citizen have a right to 1) break windows on private banks, 2) set trash cans on fire, 3) vandalize vehicles, 4) obstruct people from entering businesses, 5) block roadways....I can go on.

The Bill of Rights that you are (presumably) referring to is not a grant of rights to the People but is rather an express prohibition on government from trampling over rights, including any rights not enumerated which is the express meaning of the Ninth Amendment. Your argument is the wrong strategy and misunderstands rights as poorly as the one you have argument with.

No person - citizen or otherwise (the Bill of Rights makes no distinction of citizenship) - has the right to destroy another persons private property. No person has the right to recklessly start fires, vandalize vehicles or obstruct justice. All of these crimes are injurious to the rights of others and this is precisely how we can tell what is a right and what is not, by the injury, or lack thereof, that is caused by an action. Given the clear meaning of the Ninth Amendment it is pointless to demand others "show" you or anyone else where a right to cause injury is enumerated by Constitution.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


i seem to remember the police being the aggressors, at least in oakland last october

reply to post by seabag


Trust you to be around and on the windup today.

Am definitely not getting into an argument with you, am sure you love it!

edit : suppose I can't say much, seeing as I'm actually in your thread.

Timcast link for anyone wanting to see the NY march, it's absolutely massive, Tim says it's at least 3 blocks big : www.ustream.tv...

BTW it's not just Occupy, there's several marches going on at the same time.

Edit : Someone just let Tim up onto higher ground through their apartment, he said he couldn't see the end of the march from the 2nd floor. Pic from him :

reply to post by RedGoneWILD


Oh Really?!?

reply to post by thehoneycomb


And what pray tell is wrong with that?

You prefer the status quo?

It's all fine and dandy as long as you don't claim to be "awake" because you're still sleeping.

reply to post by thehoneycomb


And anyone who disagrees with you is a peace-loving commie.

Why don't you tell us which government agency you work for?

reply to post by The Sword


What is wrong with what?