Civil Rights Suit Against NYPD and JP Morgan Chase For Arrests Related to OWS

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by DrNotforhire

 

God, you people make me sick.

You're so stuck on being slaves of your local governments that you won't even acknowledge when others try to change something.

Its gotta be the fluoride.

Sadly this is what years of propaganda and marketing have done.
And when people finally did rise up and decide enough was enough, we're going to change things, take on the crooks, bankers, corruption.... all they need to do (in the US anyway) is say "Oh it's a left wing thing, It's the liberals" and that was it.... the movement was over.
Politics is so polarised and insane in The States.... that that's literally all it needed.

A few stories of criminality thrown in for good measure.


Even though we all saw with our own eyes, when OWS started, it was right and left, young and old... rich and poor... standing side by side, ready to make their voices heard.

This is why the Revolution will not be televised...... because there will NOT BE a revolution...

They have it sewn up,

They've made us hate each other and have such an issue with ridiculous left/right lies... that they can carry on stealing and bleeding the economy dry, and then buying up all the cheap property and making millions from people#s misery.


*sigh*


They always said apathy would be the problem... and this time it really wasn't solely apathy.
It was each other and the age old Divide and Conquer.

reply to post by blupblup


and yes the divide and conquer tactic worked.... See even if I didn't read the stories I read... From 3rd party news sources, and even if I didn't see first hand the socialism and anarchy going on in the camps...

Kali had a good point, and its a common ground the constitition...

However even if I admit I was wrong, and no I'm not a proud person so I would admit I'm wrong..

Why would I? I can't debate my stance, without being called a troll, facist or other words...

WHY would I want to join a cause who doesn't want to spend five minutes to debate this with me in a logical and adult manner..

I actually have to thank Kali, because we have butt heads a lot in the past over OWS... and this time, logic and a common ground kinda got me dis-armed... I am no longer taking swings at OWS in the old divide and conquer technique (and don't judge we all do it)...

But you are right... It may be too late for apathy.... Or maybe not? Maybe apathy and a common ground would help us all!

But I can relate to BOTH sides, heck I was with Chase bank when they were WAMU (close to 13 years now) and I have never had a problem. Never paid a fee, if I did they took it away... I'm not rich, I live within my means, and yes I have a rainy day fund... But I work near 80 hours a week... I don't mind, I love to work.. I love to be productive...

I guess thats just a side thought... Things are confusing sometimes aren't they?

reply to post by DrNotforhire


It really isn't a personal attack. You flame-bait other posters into arguments. Let's look at the first post you made in this thread, where you stated that you hope OWS fails and JP Morgan wins. Total flame-bait, and your only goal (which has been successful) with that post is to entice other posters into a frivolousness argument that's off-topic and draws attention away from the topic at hand.

Further more you pull out completely made-up facts, and when called out to provide a source for those, provide one that doesn't even backup your claim.

Mods: Delete this post, but please ban DrNo.

reply to post by DrNotforhire




Of course Kali had a good point, we all witnessed the police brutality and "Illegal" arrests and assaults on peaceful protesters... I remember some of it being cheered on here, people actually pleased at their fellow beings getting beaten up and assaulted and pepper sprayed, all because of the way they vote or dress or whatever.

Like somehow because people disagree with the cause, that makes it OK to trample all over civil rights and liberties and laws.


This whole thing was an absolute disgrace, not the movement but the way the people at first allowed it to be portrayed and twisted in the media and secondly the way people actually cheered and laughed and said "tough shi*" when people were being beaten and gassed and attacked in the streets, all for standing there singing songs and peacefully assembling.

An utter disgrace


And yes I know... cheesy and cliched but this will come back to haunt us


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

reply to post by blupblup


I do recall this happening... But I have to say that the media wasn't the only one being bias, both sides were..and when those entrechned in their ways saw what was happening (tampering with the videos the one specturm of the stories being told)

it fractured... I remember OWS in July of last year, when it first started (for real)... Not this show that the media was able to absorb... Which really just sets off another red flag in my head as I type this..

But you are completely correct.... I can't say all the protestors are in the right, I can't say they are all wrong... I wasn't there for this brutality.. Which is why I have to stay neutral in regards to that (and I always try to make that point)... There are three sides to a story, and no one has a monopoly on truth..

Regardless, those who were treated unjustly should receive some sort of compensation, but is money really the motive here? Wouldn't a media presence (FAIR media) be better for this type of cause? It always comes down to money... It seems no matter how pure the cause... money can be the fall of anything great?

What good is it to send civil rights activists in to this mess? We all know what their motives can be... (Not all... but some)

What's the next step?

seriously? so a few kids who are mad they cant find work can get a civil rights case against the nypd but hundreds of thousands of minorities that think the frisking laws are racial profiling get ignored.

reply to post by DrNotforhire


I personally believe that as Occupy functions now it's not possible to corrupt because of the GA process but that doesn't mean there aren't idiots around. There are idiots everywhere in everything not just protest lol. There's hangers-on, agent provocateurs, and frankly...liars. Now consider this, a FOX (or ABC, CBS, NBC) reporter goes in for an interview who are they going to talk to? Why? Because Occupy protests many of their sponsors. That doesn't dissolve any wrong doing by a protester but you do have to think and wonder about it, right?

We saw this with the Tea Party and CNN didn't we? The racist signs held up by infiltrators. Maybe some were real but as I learned, most were not as most people realize that you don't gain momentum by being an extremist. The Right doesn't corner the market on intelligence, sorry it just doesn't lol. Us lefties are smart too. Smart enough to know radicalism isn't what we want. But just as the TPM couldn't keep idiots at bay neither can we.

To bring it back on topic, the NYPD, Mayor Bloomberg and some members of the NYC Council are very much going against the Constitution. In the first place no one should have the ability to regulate free speech and that is exactly what permits do because they can be denied. That is what free speech zones do. To top that off, quite literally, the laws in NYC are changing daily so the protesters never even have clue when they are breaking the law. Daily the noose tightens.

Three weeks ago it was protected free speech to sleep on Wall St. as long as you only took up half the sidewalk, so protesters were doing it, they did it for six days before it became illegal, now you can't even lay down on the sidewalk without being arrested. So a 24/7 protest began at the Federal Hall which is also on Wall St. which was a place as of Two weeks ago that you didn't need a permit or any special rules to protest on. Two days of protest on those steps and local laws began changing again, it's now a free speech zone where there can only be 25 people at a time and it is caged off with barricades. Protesters may not even put their belongings down, as soon as they do they are confiscated and the offender is arrested. Something is seriously wrong with all this.

trust me there was brutality. Amazing how there is press footage of some mud hut getting blown up in BFE but the media was told to leave when they emptied the park. The cause will die unless we can come together on the issues and forget our petty differences long enough to enact real and meaning full change. The way OWS was shown by the press was the same thing they did to the war protesters in the 60's . It's just a bunch of drugged up commie hippies. The whole thing repeated over again and no one notices.

reply to post by Ausar


Unbelievably ignorant, I challenge you to google OWS protests stop and frisk.
Let me know how it turns out, should you decide not to take my challenge, I'll post it for you tomorrow.

reply to post by Kali74


See this is something I was not aware about... I had no idea they were changing the laws like that (I did Google it) Things like this make me wonder, "What's so important to stop this protest"

when you are right and I completely agree about your ability to protest should be uninhibited (but, people take advantage of such liberties.. whether it be idiots or people provoking) .. By no means have I ever nor do I ever want that right taken away... Did I want OWS to go away, sure... But that's my right of free speech, just like your right to protest...

The plot thickens so it seems... It just seems like fighting fair is no longer an option, our one resource has been tainted...

reply to post by Ladysophiaofsandoz


The guy is just following the Troll Handbook, so obviously he doesn't have any statistics to back up his claim. I asked him in another post to explain his position on something, but all I got was "I don't need to..." meaning he doesn't need to explain, he just says so.

When I pointed out that he is a troll and proving so, he claimed it as a personal attack on him. Though it's the same guy that personally attacks everyone who: likes ron paul, agrees with OWS, believes in internet trolling, isn't happy with our government, isn't a Romney supporter..........

Can't we just report him and have the Mods look into his past posts?

Also it would be interesting to see who the one person is that is staring all of his posts, obviously they work together.

reply to post by DrNotforhire


What's so important to stop the protests is that it is an actual threat to TPTB. If it were honestly only a bunch of fools no one would care and they would just be arrested when warranted, it wouldn't be spreading and frankly no one would tolerate beatings and continuous arrest over something silly. It would phase out all on it's own.

This movement is exposing the corruption in politics, government and big business/finance/pharma the MIC et al, and it is growing and will continue to grow. We are at a major cross roads in America and in history. People keep hearing that the economy is improving but the unemployment rate continues rise along with the deficit, home foreclosure rates, student debt, prison population and personal debt. All the money from the improving economy is flowing up. Our infrastructure continues to crumble because "there's no money". Then how is it claimed that the economy is improving? The stock market looks fine there's obviously money flowing, where the hell is it going? UP!

When austerity is imposed and it most definitely is coming and people know it, there will be even more people in the street and what then? Is all forms of protest going to be outlawed like they just did in Spain? We have to turn our TV's off and ACT. We are not being left any choices anymore.

reply to post by tw0330


I'm starring his posts because he's actually participating in the conversation, unlike you. This is what I'm talking about, the pettiness has to stop. Back on page two he stopped the drive by attacks and began talking which is what we need to do...talk to each other.

and another Troll is born

Some of us aren't Paid to post on here and have Jobs which don't allow us to participate all day in useless conversations with people who use no outside sources to backup there claims.

At least this helped stop the Ron Paul bashing for a bit.

Of course there are so many non Ron Paul supporters out there but when asked who and why I should vote for someone else all I get is more Ron Paul bashing instead of a qualified argument as to what there candidate can do.

They also seem to bash the supporters of Ron Paul supporters and people of OWS but use the few to represent the many.

Well I can do that to, I don't like any government pawn sent to because of the few like the ones that Troll the web and post propaganda, disbelief, and just cause problems. Obviously they have to one day deal with there own action and see if it was worth the quick buck.

reply to post by tw0330


You've got to be kidding me. Are you actually accusing me of trolling Occupy? Please refer to my post history. What are you hoping to achieve when you keep flaming someone even though they're actually NOT trolling?

reply to post by Kali74


wth is unbelievably ignorant to you; my opinion on the topic? believe it @!&#@! people have been saying for months since stop and frisk was implemented that its a violation of civil rights.

you must be unbelievably naive to think justice blind, than ows can garner the support of a civil rights suit against the nypd and jp morgan chase in light of persons/peoples complaints.

since u want to post link post me some statistics that harken the civil rights abuses against this group (ows) then post me some more links that corroborate that stop and frisk is "right".

maybe your unbelievably stupid and didnt read my post; or maybe you did and think i speak of the ows crowd and think myself as unbelievably stupid as yourself to assume ows can rectify the civil rights issue being IGNORED BY AMERICA!

ill reiterate my first post for your unbelievability;

so some protesters can garner enough support for a civil rights case against nypd and jp morgan. but stop and frisk can be ignored and people who like myself make a statement about how unjust the ideal of kids who can occupy homes wall street and everywhere else because they cant find a job or are disgruntled with capitalism can get the support necessary to have a civil rights suit against the nypd and jp morgan(regardless of the facts surrounding their violations)?

take your assumptions elsewhere. the beauty of english is that even in my first post the intent of my conveyance was delivered; your low blow attack by means of words regardless of how politically correct is akin to callin someone a retard because the perception of what they say u dont agree.

Hmm lets see, Government VS Protesters.
I will always side with those protesting against the government and that also applies to those they are protesting against that are in bed with the government as well!


JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc all own the government by having their cronies in Government and and are also part of Wall Street as well. The criminals are pretty obvious and the ones on Wall Street out number the few protesters that are highlighted for propaganda's sake by a much greater margin.

reply to post by DrNotforhire


If you agree with the heads of corporations and financial institutions running as politicians in our government, then you agree with fascism as well as the Nanny State they will clamp down on us with.

Corporations and Financial Institutions exist to make a profit via lower costs and more efficiency for greater profits.
The policies foreign and domestic they have enacted are exactly for greater profits for themselves as well as control over the population if you have not noticed.

They sell various programs to the public like welfare as if they are for the greater good and as if the "liberals are responsible" when it is really about subsidizing the cheaper labor force for greater profits.

They also sell the military industrial complex as if it is for our own protection when it is for acquiring resources and power over other countries and also as if all "republicans are responsible for it"

This is how you create the divide and conquer going on in this country while the criminals at the top are laughing their behinds off at their satanic plans.

When looking at who the top donors are to these criminals, they are all the same donors because they care not who is democrat or republican as long as they get their pigmen in power.

reply to post by Ausar


The ACLU has been fighting stop and frisk for a long time. Occupy who you're whining about actually protested stop and frisk.

“We are here today to put our bodies on the line to stop this racist, immoral, illegitimate and unjust ‘new Jim Crow’ from the gateway of stop and frisk to the wholesale mass incarceration of Black and Brown people," said Dix to the assembled marchers. "We are serious and we will continue until we Stop Stop & Frisk!” The crowd chanted, “Stop & Frisk don’t stop the crime, Stop & Frisk IS the crime,” as arrestees were carried to waiting police vans. A solidarity march to 33rd Precinct ensused, where arrestees were said to be held.

occupywallst.org

30 Occupiers were arrested that day, when was the last time you were arrested for standing up?

NEW YORK – Nearly two dozen demonstrators arrested last year while protesting the New York Police Department's stop-and-frisk policy have gone on trial.
Some 22 people arrested in October outside a Harlem police station appeared in court Monday.
Two accepted offers to get their cases dismissed by staying out of trouble for six months.
The group on trial includes Princeton University professor and civil rights activist Cornel West. It's one of the biggest groups to go to trial together over political protest arrests in New York City in recent years.
Police say protestors blocked the entrance to the precinct and ignored orders to leave.
Defense lawyers have said there's reasonable doubt that any laws were broken.
The judge on Monday barred them from making another argument: that the protestors' conduct was justified.


Read more: www.foxnews.com...

In a federal lawsuit filed on Wednesday, local civil rights leaders are accusing the New York Police Department of misusing permission from landlords to patrol inside thousands of private city buildings by conducting stop and frisks that unfairly target blacks and Latinos.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S District Court in Manhattan, is the most recent in a series of accusations that the NYPD is abusing its stop-and-frisk policies.

Brought by 13 current and former city residents, the new suit targets the NYPD practice known as Operation Clean Halls. Under the program, which has been around since 1991, landlords of thousands of low-income buildings, mostly in the Bronx, sign up to allow NYPD officers to roam the halls, corridors and courtyards in an effort to reduce crime.

wsj.com

reply to post by blupblup


Well I'm not going to stand back any longer and let these unmotivated oafs # it up for the rest of us.

People need to find it within themselves to FORCE meaningful change!