Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Lionhearte

So, LGBTs and LGBT defenders, please answer this for me - where does the gene come from that makes a homosexual "born that way"?

I don't know that anyone ever said there was a "gay gene".

Recent studies do show that homosexuality most likely comes physically through the mother.

There is information emerging - - - unfortunately funding for these studies is not a priority.

Right... It's not genetic. Sexual preference and gender tendancies are developed in the womb and are driectly related to hormonal levels during the gestation period.

That is not completely known either. It could be something connected to genetics and brain chemicals.

But latest studies do lean toward the mother.

reply to post by PvtHudson


People like you should not have children because you will break them.

reply to post by Lionhearte

As a member of those whom you are mentioning, I believe I was born this way. It certainly wasn't a choice, and many of us spend time trying to deny the way we are created (made) and live as society tells us is "correct". For us lucky ones, we accept who we are as we are designed to be. However, it is my personal belief that it is a completely natural design for an over populated society. I think there have always been gay people, and that they (we) are completely natural beings, just as everyone else is... however with a population exploding at the rate ours is, having more people who cannot procreate is on the rise.

So what am I saying? I am saying it is completely natural, however unconventional, and that it is a design of who we ALL are. (yes, even heterosexuals reading this now) I think it is merely a trait in your genes that gets turned on by mother nature when it is most needed. Ergo, when it is needed... the more are present in the generation to follow. How? I read an article there is a portion of the brain (hypothalamus?) that is a "MEDIUM SIZE" in gay people. Because naturally it is small in hetero women, and large in hetero men... and the medium size hypothalamus in the opposing gender is what results in the attraction towards the same sex.

Of course the best part of talking to all us RATIONAL PEOPLE on ATS ~ We do not need to get in a religious debate, because we know that that junk is all man-made anyway.

Thanks for reading - you're all awesome

Originally posted by PvtHudson
reply to post by Annee

 

Lets not lose focus on the topic.

Both gay rights and black rights are both pimped out to win votes for Democrats..Everyone knows this.

As far as gay rights being shoved in our faces .. I agree that it is. Just look at TV today .. it is vilifying gayness ... as normal, and its not.

I have a young son, and I don't want him exposed to a lifestyle that is immoral and disgusting.

Git'er done, Skeeter.

I always thought it was just a saying, as far as being in the genes and all. I don't think there are gay genes so I dunno. I think people are taught or learn to be gay, as a result of being around other gay people. If it were a gene thing then our apendages would match our desires.

Originally posted by Garfee

Originally posted by libertytoall

Please explain to me how a gay couple reproduces. What planet are you living on?

Please explain to me why they need to?

Edit: Just in case you are serious and actually clueless to the answer - many gay men marry or procreate to hide their homosexuality.

Of course, a gay male can always just bite the bullet and have intercourse with a female in order to reproduce but I don't imagine they enjoy that very much either.

edit on 1-5-2012 by Garfee because: (no reason given)

So basically a mentally ill person can decide to be selfish by using a woman to feel better about themselves because they're afraid to be who they feel they are all while creating children and bringing them into a false marriage? Sounds pretty selfish if that's truly the case. And you defend this as if it's ok for gay people to do this? Gay people don't deserve kids and never should be allowed to have them since they can't create them. Welcome to nature and natural selection.

Originally posted by Manunnaki
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Not all parents are straight. Alot of gay men have children to hide the fact they are gay. Because of the hatred to the life style. Some communites force gays into acting straight to live a double lifestyle. Simple answer really.

Problem with the hormone theory is it totally falls apart with females with the data collected. Studies of men and women who experienced prenatal defects in hormone metabolism have not found a concurrent increase in homosexual behavior.Not to mention you can have gay males and females who show no sign of childhood gender nonconformity while growing up. So i hate to say most likely not the cause.

44 pages and the replies generally get more naive and misleading, even intentional misinformation, wonder why huh?



for a complete explanation, follow the botched circumcision cases.

the boys who receive sex reassignment surgery and raised completely as a girl,

end up realizing they are a BOY not a girl and are sexually frustrated because they want copulate with a girl but have had limb/organ taken away from them, as well as the sexual orientation they were born with - and go onto commit suicide just because someone tried to train/teach them a sexual orientation other than which they were born with.

so, it goes to show you cant chop off a boys penis, neovaginate, put him in a dress, raise him as a girl, and expect him to like boys, he will always like girls except he will be missing his pecker to show it! and probably kill himself, cause he was born that way - to like girls in his case but know-it-alls ,-- including his parents and famouse shrink - decided for him, that he could be turned into a girl and like boys.

Originally posted by draco49
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

After reading your OP, I tried not to be offended but it didn't work. Your post was well-written and I truly believe that your intent was genuine curiosity, and not malevolent. The problem is not with your question, but the premise that your personal faith and belief structure is the only correct one and/or that it is a universal "truth"; it is not.

Obviously, you are a devout Christian, and that's cool. But like so many other "devout" Christians, your indoctrinated belief structure and sense of righteousness reveals your true nature, and that is contempt and inappropriate pity for those who do not share your beliefs. Your comments also reveal a disturbing lack of understanding of even the most basic genetic concepts; another all-too-common "symptom" of the fundamentalist Christian. (Hmm, I wonder, is Christianity genetic?...)

The Bible is a book written by man. Many of them, in fact. It wasn't written by Jesus or "God". Consider, also, that the version that contemporary Christianity uses is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation. (There are probably a few more layers of translation, but I'll limit it for the sake of brevity.) What do you think the chances are that the book you're holding today accurately reflects the original? What do you think the chances are that the book your holding today wasn't influenced by the interpretations of the various translators, as well as existing politics at the time of those translations? Don't get me wrong... The Bible is a good book and has something to teach. The fatal flaw is in taking every passage literally instead of taking a step back and asking yourself, in the context of a benevolent and loving God, what the lessons are.

Humans have a natural tenancy to categorize and apply labels to anything and everything this world has to offer. Sometimes that is a very positive trait (i.e. we are exceptional pattern detectors), but sometimes it's not so good. When we label something, or someone, we are essentially saying that we know all there is to know about that thing or person. Labeling is a form a judgment, and I'm sure you know what the Bible says about one man standing in judgment of another. Labeling something as "sin" is another dangerous form of labeling/judging. The 5th or 6th commandment (depending on which version you prefer) is "Thou shalt not kill". That seems pretty simple, cut and dry. But is it? What if someone is trying to kill you or your family? Do you not have the right, and even the obligation to save yourself and/or the lives of your family? Most people, and the laws of most lands say you do. After all, the Bible tells us that ALL life in this world is precious and a gift from God (this can be seen prominently in the Catholic belief that suicide is a sin for which the doer will go straight to hell without question, for there is no opportunity for confession and repentance). But the Bible also tells us to "turn the other cheek" when attacked. Seems a little contradictory, doesn't it? My point is that strictly adhering to the literal writings of the Bible results in missing the entire meaning.

As for your genetics question, it's a moot point in the context of your own beliefs. I am well aware of how the religious community feels about science, especially the science of genetics. And that is really an entire discussion on its own. If you truly want an answer as to the root origin of homosexuality in humans, I'm afraid there are not yet any definitive answers (nothing we can slap a label on). But it's worth mentioning that homosexuality is not a human phenomenon; over 1500 different species, aside from humans, practice homosexuality (see www.news-medical.net... for a summery). In my mind, the reason(s) behind homosexuality are not important. What IS important is that homosexuals are just as valid, just as divine, and just as human as anyone else, and are therefore deserving of the same respect and measure of worth as anyone else. It's not "us and them", it's just us.

Very well written!

Originally posted by Elq10000
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

To the relief of many parents who feared they might have given the wrong examle, gay scientists now have discovered and isolated the Christian gene and there might even be a cure to Christianity all together...

www.youtube.com...

You can't "cure" a gene.

And Christian science didn't locate "gay genes" which are actually the way in which genes interact with each other, and not a single gene.

Science scientists did.

I do wish we could cure organized religion, though.

reply to post by libertytoall


The only people that don't deserve kids are the ones that will mistreat them or who will raise them the to think like you.

Liberytoall my hairy ass.

there are research done by university why some people is homosexual, you can refer the research paper here

forum.lowyat.net...

Originally posted by korgmeister
there are research done by university why some people is homosexual, you can refer the research paper here

forum.lowyat.net...

That research paper is 18 years old.

Just an FYI.

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by libertytoall

 

The only people that don't deserve kids are the ones that will mistreat them or who will raise them the to think like you.

Liberytoall my hairy ass.

Or the ones that scrub carpets and plug manholes.

Originally posted by libertytoall

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by libertytoall

 

The only people that don't deserve kids are the ones that will mistreat them or who will raise them the to think like you.

Liberytoall my hairy ass.

Or the ones that scrub carpets and plug manholes.

Carpet isn't scrubbed, it's vaccumed or shampooed and manholes are never plugged, they are covered and accessed by the city.

What's your point? If you have something to say why don you say it, if you're clever enough.

If Noah's ark was Noah's homosexual ark, humankind would have been extinct. I don't care how you spin it. Being gay goes against nature. I believe every homosexual person has a right to live happily with another homosexual person but they DO NOT have the right to effect a child's mental health or a woman's mental health by forcing their own unnatural selfish tendency's into the lives of others for their own gain. Children should never be allowed in the homosexual community..

reply to post by libertytoall


If being homosexual was against nature, nature would stop producing homosexuals.

And who are you to say that homosexuals adversely affect children, how do they even do this, what makes you an expert on this subject and what is the homosexual community?

I am an educator and not once have I ever behaved in a manner which I believe a person like you would, in front of my kids.

I used to think people like you were a myth.

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by libertytoall

 

If being homosexual was against nature, nature would stop producing homosexuals.

Right.. So I guess autism and other developmental disorders are all part of natural progress right?

And who are you to say that homosexuals adversely affect children, how do they even do this, what makes you an expert on this subject and what is the homosexual community?

I'm not an expert. It's my opinion. You can't possibly believe a child growing up with two daddy's or two mommy's is not going to go through some confusion and be negatively influenced into a divisive upbringing between other straight peers and their home life which is different,

I am an educator and not once have I ever behaved in a manner which I believe a person like you would, in front of my kids.

And how do I behave in front of my kids?

I used to think people like you were a myth.

I used to think people had common sense. Two people with the same reproductive organs cannot have children. Please show me anywhere else in nature where two same sex couples raise children together..

reply to post by libertytoall

Children should never be allowed in the homosexual community..

So, what exactly do you propose? Taking children from homosexual parents? As for adoption, do you prefer children in foster care over a homosexual family? Because I dont.

Originally posted by libertytoall
If Noah's ark was Noah's homosexual ark, humankind would have been extinct. I don't care how you spin it. Being gay goes against nature. I believe every homosexual person has a right to live happily with another homosexual person but they DO NOT have the right to effect a child's mental health or a woman's mental health by forcing their own unnatural selfish tendency's into the lives of others for their own gain. Children should never be allowed in the homosexual community..

edit on 5-5-2012 by libertytoall because: (no reason given)

What about surrogates who use their eggs and carry children for gay male couples, or men who donate their sperm for gay female couples? No one is being held at gunpoint to help homosexual couples procreate, and it doesn't seem like it is affecting anyone's mental health.... Children growing up in loving, tolerant homes seems better than growing up in the homes of bigots, no matter the sexual orientation. Read the studies that follow the children of homosexual couples and compare their mental outcomes to those of heterosexual couples, and you'll see that they are no more likely to become gay than children of hetero couples.