Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

Genetic or not...it does appear to be something that occurs naturally as many species of animals have been documented displaying homosexual behaviors.

An example: news.nationalgeographic.com...

I'm also a Christian...and a lesbian. So...figure that one out.

EVERYONE , has a choice whether to be Straight or Whether to be gay.

I like the color green the most but I have a choice to like the color blue the most if I want it to be my favorite color. Why do I choose the color green? Because I enjoy the color green the most. Could I choose the color blue? Yeah. Did I? No.

Do i enjoy super fatty hamburgers from McDonalds with a 16 oz Steak from outback? Yeah. Do i eat it? No. (at the same time )

reply to post by glitchinthematrix


How are you a Christian if you do not believe in the Bible?

Originally posted by Believer101
So, OP, question for you. If sexuality is a choice, when did you wake up and say "I'm going to be straight!"? I'm sincerely curious.

But I never said it was a choice.. why do people keep saying that? No where in my original post did I make that statement.

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A true Christian with sound scriptural doctrine will realize that God does not work on the justice system. Sin is sin is sin in God's eyes, it's all the same and we are all inherently inclined to it in our nature. I am just as in the dark as a Christian to why some choose "hot-button" issues such as homosexuality and abortion to vilify. Yes, they are sins, but so is stealing a candybar or fornication, for that matter. Having unmarried heterosexual sex is just as bad as homosexual sex in God's eyes.
One of my favorite ideals on this subject comes from C.S. Lewis, who believed that pigenholeing the Christian faith into the issues of Abortion and homosexuality is sinful within itself, I agree,

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the difference between a homosexual and a christian.......

a homosexual is born that way, a christian is brainwashed into his beliefs.

Originally posted by EddieCusak
its not genetic. if it was genetic, Darwin's ideas of natural selection tell us that, by the very fact a homosexual couple CANNOT have offspring, means the 'homosexual gene' cannot not be passed down through any descendents and would inevitably disappear from the gene pool.

There are many human conditions and variations that are regarded as genetic, but do not surface in every generation.

Studying gays and birth order may determine how the gay genes operate, for example first born males have the lowest chance of being gay and it can increase from 30% with each male child (which may occur with other factors in the womb).

And then gays are often cajoled or even forced into straight marriages where they do have children, so ironically religion is helping very much to pass any gay genes into posterity.

In the non-Western cultures I see men can do pretty much what they like once they have produced grandchildren.

Not all people who identify as gay believe they were born that way, but I do.

Originally posted by Lionhearte
Alright, let me start off by saying I do not by ANY means have hatred toward Homosexuals. Yes, you can see my avatar very clearly to the left - but make no mistake, I love Homosexuals with all of my heart, and so does God. I am a Christian, and though I do not approve of Homosexual relations (i.e. sexual relations between same genders, lusting, etc.), I classify it as any other sexual sin - i.e., fornication, sexual immorality, adultery and lusting. Yes, that means we are ALL guilty of sin, except for those who aren't attracted to ANYTHING, because apparently there are some people out there like that.

However, I have a sincere, honest question in response to the claim LGBTs and LGBT-defenders make - that they are, for some reason, born that way. For example - we wouldn't discriminate someone who was born with a disease or something, because it isn't their fault, they had no choice, they were born that way.

So, we've all heard that argument before. First off - to be born in a certain way, we are talking about genetics, correct? So, somebody with a heart disease, possibly received that disease because of a parent, an uncle, a grandparent, etc. It was in their family - that is why you hear the commercials that say "If your family has a history of heart problems", etc, etc.

Now, here's where I'm confused. You get your genetics from your BIOLOGIC parents, correct? So.. how do homosexuals "receive" these supposed "inherent" genes.. if they got them from HETEROSEXUAL parents?

It is a proven fact, undeniably so, that there has never, EVER been a case of a homosexual couple having a biologic child - they can adopt, sure. But that child got his genetics from his BIOLOGICAL parents.

So, LGBTs and LGBT defenders, please answer this for me - where does the gene come from that makes a homosexual "born that way"?

60 Minutes did an excellent video documentary on the subject. I suggest you start by watching that. IF that is you were sincere in your request to explain and like Jack Nicholson said 'you can HANDLE the truth'...

video.google.com...

Originally posted by Lionhearte

Originally posted by jimmyx
well, i'll put it in way that you should understand with this question...."how did you yourself choose to be heterosexual??....if homosexuality is a "choice" , so then is heterosexuality...you can't have it both ways

I didn't choose to be that way. I learned from my surroundings, my environment. If I was raised by a homosexual couple, I think the odds of me homosexual would increase dramatically. Doesn't mean I WILL be, but to say that it isn't a factor is outright illogical - if parents are alcoholics, the odds are, the children will be too. If the parents are environmentalists, the odds are, the children will be too. If the parents are in the Medical business, odds are.. the children will be too.

It's basic logic.

With that basic logic, if your parents love broccoli will this condition your taste buds to also like broccoli? Some of the things you list (environmentalists, Medical business) is the outside world affecting your inside world. But things like taste buds and sexual preferences comes from inside you first. When a boy reaches that age when he recognizes that girls are pretty, there is no conditioning that can change what he feels. If he's attracted to the girls, he straight. If he's not attracted to the girls, he's gay.

I can't believe this thread got 21 pages in the age of Google. Seriously, OP, did you even think to Google your question before coming here, or did you just want stars and flags? Well congrats, you got what you wanted.

Originally posted by milkyway12
EVERYONE , has a choice whether to be Straight or Whether to be gay.

You never chose to be heterosexual, you just were one and went with it.

Originally posted by Lionhearte

Originally posted by Believer101
So, OP, question for you. If sexuality is a choice, when did you wake up and say "I'm going to be straight!"? I'm sincerely curious.

But I never said it was a choice.. why do people keep saying that? No where in my original post did I make that statement.

No, you just let other people say it for you which is what you knew would happen.

Honestly I'm absolutely stunned at at what I'm reading in this thread? I try to always give people the "benefit" of the doubt, and have given much consideration and empathy as to WHY gay people ruin other peoples lives with thier LIES and deception....but not one gay man in this thread has even acknowledged this point, the wreakage they leave behind when they "come out" and the implications to the children and spouses they leave in thier wake.

Sooo sorry you were confused and "persecuted" , and have zero empathy for the "collateral" damage it has caused. Glad you have it all figured out now....

Originally posted by smarterthanyou
I can't believe this thread got 21 pages in the age of Google. Seriously, OP, did you even think to Google your question before coming here, or did you just want stars and flags? Well congrats, you got what you wanted.

I see somebody who is jealous because someone has a thread going that's getting a lot of replies at an extremely fast pace.

The OP didn't KNOW it would end up being this big and I can assure you, he didn't do it for the Stars & Flags which by the way, he didn't get very much of. Only 8 flags, and what? Maybe 10 or 15 stars?

Jealous much?

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
Honestly I'm absolutely stunned at at what I'm reading in this thread? I try to always give people the "benefit" of the doubt, and have given much consideration and empathy as to WHY gay people ruin other peoples lives with thier LIES and deception....but not one gay man in this thread has even acknowledged this point, the wreakage they leave behind when they "come out" and the implications to the children and spouses they leave in thier wake.

Sooo sorry you were confused and "persecuted" , and have zero empathy for the "collateral" damage it has caused. Glad you have it all figured out now....

Only an absolutely hateful, hurtful person would say something like that. You are commenting on a subject which you are completely clueless about and write as though you are an expert.

The only reason I told my family and friends I was gay was because I love them and felt thatt as a courtesy, they ought to know. I knew it would upset some as much as it actually upset me. I am revolted by the offensive claim by you that I did so maliciously - is a disgusting thing to imply.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but you aren't - what sort of person are you?

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can u be any more childish? i doubt anyone but a religious nut are jealous of this thread.

it only has 9 flags so im not very impressed with it, jealous am i? HELL NO!

why cant christians keep their dumb beliefs to themselves?

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
not one gay man in this thread has even acknowledged this point, the wreakage they leave behind when they "come out" and the implications to the children and spouses they leave in thier wake.

come out?

from where?

Originally posted by elitegamer23
reply to post by TheProphetMark

 

can u be any more childish? i doubt anyone but a religious nut are jealous of this thread.

it only has 9 flags so im not very impressed with it, jealous am i? HELL NO!

why cant christians keep their dumb beliefs to themselves?

You're lucky I'm not going to bother replying to you. I don't want to derail this thread anymore then I already have.

I hope that this helps. I had seen awhile documentary about this. I just wish I remember the name of it. They epwere explaining that homosexuallity is a greater outcome if the woman is pregnant with twins. Any how here's a link.

news.softpedia.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">http...://news.softpedia.com/news/Low-In-Utero-Testosterone-Levels-Determine-Homosexual-Behavior-in-Males-52005.shtml

Originally posted by glitchinthematrix
Genetic or not...it does appear to be something that occurs naturally as many species of animals have been documented displaying homosexual behaviors.

An example: news.nationalgeographic.com...

I'm also a Christian...and a lesbian. So...figure that one out.

i will listen to , and be friends with any christian with an open mind like yourself.

thanks for proving to me that not all believers are ignorant.

Originally posted by TheProphetMark

Originally posted by elitegamer23
reply to post by TheProphetMark

 

can u be any more childish? i doubt anyone but a religious nut are jealous of this thread.

it only has 9 flags so im not very impressed with it, jealous am i? HELL NO!

why cant christians keep their dumb beliefs to themselves?

You're lucky I'm not going to bother replying to you. I don't want to derail this thread anymore then I already have.

sorry but you did reply to me.
go pray that i just go away.