Is it Time to Ban Vaccines Once and For All?

This it it! Agreed fourthmeal

Vaccine Damage is being covered up, both sides of the story are not getting out. It's the same Banking families who create war for profit that have control of Big Pharma, so why would people think they wouldn't make us sick for profit. Maybe people think that those in the West will be looked after, unfortunately that's not the case, we are just used in a different way, we are enslaved with debt and illness. The Banker's don't need to start wars in our countries as they already own us.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
I need to add, nobody is saying that there aren't infectious diseases out there, and yes some can kill.

What I am saying (and I think many mirror me here) is that vaccines aren't the way out.

The medicine causes more harm than good.

Have we seen that before? Hmmm...

WHO swine flu scam with forced vaccination should be enough for thinking person to see the big lie. And it was for many. No one organized school vaccination campaigns with vitamin D which was proven to be much more effective and safe. As illogical as slow depopulaton of your own country, wars...I used to search for logic in "their" intentions and deeds but sometimes it's more logical to see it simply as the evil. Profit and pleasure corrupts people's hearts and make them puppets of greater evil they don't know.

TZela,

I'd always recommend using a wide variety of sources, with LifeSiteNews look at where they have referenced in the articles, look through their sources.

There aren't many communities left who don't vaccinate. The Amish are one of the few who rarely vaccinate. One of the main reasons that vaccines are pushed so strongly on all communities is so as you don't get a situation like this, where we get to compare who is healthier; vaccinated or unvaccinated?

The Amish Don't Get Autism
healthwyze.org...

"There have been 3 (yes three) verified cases of autism in the Amish, and at least two of those children were vaccinated. No information is available for the third. "

"The strong correlation between vaccinations and autism is absolutely undeniable, unless you work for the medical establishment, the government, or Big Media. "

"Heart disease, cancer, and diabetes are virtually non-existent in Amish villages. "

Survey Results: Are Unvaccinated Children Healthier?
www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com...

I want to make sure that people can make an informed decision on vaccination, it's very difficult for them to do so these days, but at least people who view this thread can get to read the other side of the story; this will enable them to make a balanced decision.

Originally posted by PapagiorgioCZ
WHO swine flu scam with forced vaccination should be enough for thinking person to see the big lie. And it was for many. No one organized school vaccination campaigns with vitamin D which was proven to be much more effective and safe. As illogical as slow depopulaton of your own country, wars...I used to search for logic in "their" intentions and deeds but sometimes it's more logical to see it simply as the evil. Profit and pleasure corrupts people's hearts and make them puppets of greater evil they don't know.

PapagiorgioCZ,

Overall I'd say the Swine Flu Scam backfired, it woke a lot of people up, especially once the Council of Europe appeared on the scene and called out the False Flag Pandemic

Council of Europe to discuss whether pharmaceutical firms spread alarm over pandemic to boost orders of medicines
www.guardian.co.uk...

Some interesting news stories here of Vaccine Bans...

Why Japan banned MMR vaccine
www.dailymail.co.uk...

"Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say.

The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions."

Australia: Flu vaccine ban for children under 5
"AUSTRALIAN health authorities have announced a nation-wide ban on children under 5 being vaccinated for the seasonal flu. "
www.couriermail.com.au...

Flu Vaccines Banned in Japan
"Japan’s Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare has pulled two ‘flu’ vaccines from the market in the wake of the deaths of several children. The two vaccines, Pfizer’s Prevenar and Sanofi-Aventis’ Act-HIB, are widely used in the USA to prevent influenzae type b."
www.healthcmi.com...

Originally posted by Rubinstein
Thanks for the links frazzle. They try to get the water fluoridated where I live, but fortunately most people here seem to know it's a bad idea

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Well, you're very welcome but we all know you're doing the heavy lifting around here, I'm just adding whatever I can because I hate to see people being MADE sick.

Every drop of water from the tap in my neck of the woods is flouridated unless you have a private well and they're trying like mad to get those capped. The blankety blank blank politicians around here have their heads buried so far in the sand you can barely see their pink little toesies, the flouride is playing havoc with their two collective brain cells, I suppose.

Takes up a lot of time, but it's definitely worth it, as everyone can see with the result of this debate; the truth is getting harder to suppress

I'm sorry to hear about the fluoride in your area, I always said if they did that in my town I'd relocate, but I know it's not always that easy. It's a smoking gun that they're trying to cap the wells

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by Rubinstein
Thanks for the links frazzle. They try to get the water fluoridated where I live, but fortunately most people here seem to know it's a bad idea

reply to post by frazzle

 

Well, you're very welcome but we all know you're doing the heavy lifting around here, I'm just adding whatever I can because I hate to see people being MADE sick.

Every drop of water from the tap in my neck of the woods is flouridated unless you have a private well and they're trying like mad to get those capped. The blankety blank blank politicians around here have their heads buried so far in the sand you can barely see their pink little toesies, the flouride is playing havoc with their two collective brain cells, I suppose.

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It may be getting harder to suppress, but they're hitting us from so many different directions its almost impossible to assimilate it all. The health aspect is the most important thing, though, because without our health nothing else matters much and it seems to me that over the course of my lifetime people have been gradually weakened in almost every way possible.

I'm sorry, but even Carl Sagan's conspiracy addicted 2nd cousin would ask for extraordinary proof in the case of vaccinations being a main factor in the causation of the degradation of human health. Proof from extraordinary people is not the same as scientific consensus. I think everyone deserves a chance to conspire in this thread, but the right to argue a scientific matter thats scrutinized heavily by the scientific community should only be thus.

I'm going to CONSPIRE that the VAST majority of users in this particular thread took their last last science credit when it was mandatory to do so, and therefore have no institutional understanding in biology/ chemistry, instead relying on the media, reading wikipedia, watching videos with doctors (some alternative ones with a doctorate in philosophy or anything NON BIO/CHEM), or actually trying to look up scholarly journals but end up sourcing the abstract because to get the entire documentation, either a fee or proof of post secondary education is required (ByTheWay; Canadian with an Undergrad in Biological Sciences currently pursuing Masters in Microbiology/ Genetics here; don't have to believe me, cause I sure as heck don't believe the dribble I'm reading on this thread). Like a thespian acting their part, the theorists on this thread are acting with the information self taught to themselves (MOSLTY INCORRECT), acting as if they have discovered or uncovered something incomprehensible to those who have studied it all their lives, have been forced to think critically, prove statistically, and have something to show for it at the end of the day (degrees, jobs in the medical field).
I have a conspiracy; What if all the conspirators against vaccines have been lied to, brainwashed if you will, into believing vaccines are a useless bane that does more harm than good? What is worse, death caused by an easily preventable virus, or being part of a small percentage of people that may experience a side- effect?

There exists some scholarly journals pointing to potentially adverse side-effects of vaccines. I've seen them, I've read them, and most importantly I've studied them. A lot of the papers show mathematically insignificant proof, while even fewer show possible correlations. Do you know what's funny? Many of the journals correlate a select few variables or worse, ONLY VACCINES, thus making them the apparent scapegoat for ULTIMATE CAUSATION of the worsening human health condition.

We live in an unnatural world with artificial intervention at every turn, the idea of trying to live a natural life is laughable. The widespread use of manmade organic/ inorganic molecules in terrestrial and aquatic habitats, increased exposure to radiation due to longer lives/ medical scanners thus damaging our germ lines, the increased use and accumulation of antibiotics and the ever evolving human genome are only a select few that could be causes for what people PERCEIVE as the degradation of human health. As humans, the only way to live in an unnatural world, is to equip ourselves with "unnatural" tools necessary to ensure survival (ie VACCINES).

This thread has become a religious argument ever since OP started the discussion and ended with his stance, forcing his views upon the next posters, thanking his supporters, and ridiculing those who call bullsh*t with ridiculous video "proof". I respect all VIEWS and ORIGINAL IDEAS, because they are yours and the proof is within you, something I cannot argue. Science is the hardest subject to debate about because nothing matters unless YOU understand the basics. I find that the pretenders tend to stray away from the vaccine debate and delve into capitalist conspiracies, or hidden agenda themes because they have no idea what the difference between an attenuated or inactivated vaccine is, what is a pathogen, what is an antigen, how do vaccines actually work etc. If you start pulling random references about the vaccine topic yet have no idea what they mean or how they work on a basic level, just going by on what you hear or see, then perhaps you're being lied to, perhaps you haven't been told the whole story yet.

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Do you even know the definition of pandemic?

And UM...the first flu pandemic was in the 1500s. The vaccine was developed in 1930. I think you need to do more research.

I don't think all vaccines are created equal. Everything is absolutes on ATS. Its either all good or all bad.
I do not like the MMR vaccine, I do not believe in forced vaccinations. I think the flu vaccine is fine. And do think people should get it considering how rampant the flu is.

Worldwide a half a million people die from the flu.

If a new disease came out with those deathrates, half of ats would be in a panic.