Is it Time to Ban Vaccines Once and For All?

Originally posted by fourthmeal
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

I couldn't stop them from doing this to my son, they did it without my consent. I did manage to stop ALL vaccines though.

I'm sorry to hear that fourthmeal. I have to admit, I'd never put thought into it until today. Now that I have, it's obvious that this is a bad practice; why break the skin of a newborn and risk infection, total madness! Just give them some Vit K orally over the first week

It is ok, he's turned out to be 100% good to go, much healthier than any other baby I know of and whether that is the luck I have run into or the choice I have made to not vaccinate, I will probably never know. What I do know is that right now, I am sure I made the right choice. Until actual credible evidence from an independent source (you know, not funded by pharma or part of a money laundering scheme with one, etc.) can show me why I'd want to jab myself or my family with toxic stuff and pigs parts, etc., I just wont' do it.

Good to hear, unvaccinated children are superior in many ways to vaccinated children from my experience.

You might have seen this earlier in the thread

Survey Results: Are Unvaccinated Children Healthier?‏
www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com...

Originally posted by fourthmeal
It is ok, he's turned out to be 100% good to go, much healthier than any other baby I know of and whether that is the luck I have run into or the choice I have made to not vaccinate, I will probably never know. What I do know is that right now, I am sure I made the right choice. Until actual credible evidence from an independent source (you know, not funded by pharma or part of a money laundering scheme with one, etc.) can show me why I'd want to jab myself or my family with toxic stuff and pigs parts, etc., I just wont' do it.

reply to post by Rubinstein


Well there's the rub, they can't disprove it, all they can do is call in the big guns to pass more forceful mandates requiring vaccination, and you know they will do that before they back down and take such a huge financial hit. The only way they could create medications that might help repair the damage they've done without side effects would be to resort to selling products that can't be patented and that we already have easy access to. Now there's a winning multi billion dollar business plan.

People have been systematically indoctrinated to belive scientists and doctors know best ever since the inception of the AMA so trying to overcome that indoctrination is frustrating but I think most people are still capable of getting past it if the truth is presented with solid evidence. They've been made to believe all their lives that they have no control over their own wellbeing or their children's and although there are plenty who prefer it that way, I think many would rather take charge if they had the correct information.

But it would be normal for people to react to the idea that they have been damaged by their trusted medical providers in a manner similar to grief, in stages. I don't remember exactly what those stages are, but disbelief and anger are right up there and I have feeling that the initial reaction would be directed at whoever informed them because, subliminally they might feel somehow complicit simply for not knowing they could have protected themselves and I can appreciate how difficult it can be to move away from cherished illusions.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
It is ok, he's turned out to be 100% good to go, much healthier than any other baby I know of and whether that is the luck I have run into or the choice I have made to not vaccinate, I will probably never know. What I do know is that right now, I am sure I made the right choice. Until actual credible evidence from an independent source (you know, not funded by pharma or part of a money laundering scheme with one, etc.) can show me why I'd want to jab myself or my family with toxic stuff and pigs parts, etc., I just wont' do it.

Way to go!!!

Just ran across this:

NaturalNews) It's common for shills and Internet "trolls" commenting on vaccination articles to reference the "eradication of polio" as a vaccine triumph. No mention is made of how polio continues, often from polio vaccinations but under different names.

But worse than that is the shield of silence obscuring a humble small town physician who cured polio victims in the late 1940s and early 1950s using mega-dosages of vitamin C. His name was Frederick Robert Klenner, MD.

His successful healing with high-dose ascorbic acid vitamin C was ignored even after producing papers on his cures and making a presentation of his findings on polio at the Annual Session of the American Medical Association on June 10, 1949 in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...

And another:

Atlanta, GA: Findings released today showed that infant monkeys given vaccines officially recommended by the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) exhibited autism-like symptoms. Lead investigator Laura Hewitson of the University of Pittsburgh and colleagues presented study results at the International Meeting for Autism Research (IMFAR) in London. Safety studies of medicines are typically conducted in monkeys prior to use in humans, yet such basic research on the current childhood vaccination regimen has never before been done.

vran.org...

reply to post by fleabit

THANK YOU! Thank you for posting that.

Some young folks who have not been around long enough to have witnessed what Polio and T.B. had done to Millions have no frame of reference to understand tha dangers inherent to not getting either themselves or their children Vaccinated.

They should get all the FACTS and forget about what some guy told them on a web board or what someone said on a site. If they want to see REALITY...look up the World Health Orginization Web Site. There are REAL documented cases that they can look up or even telephone the actual people as many a U.S. Citizen...who has gone into a WAR ZONE or DISASTER AREA in a different country without being in a sanctioned U.S. Aid Group but went in with a Christian Religious Group that paid their own way to get to the country...and because all sanctioned U.S. or U.N. Relief Agencies WILL NOT ALLOW ONE OF THEIR PEOPLE IN THESE AREAS WITHOUT PROPER BOOSTER SHOTS OR IMMUNIZATION....these Religious Group Aid workers come back to the states and develop HORRIBLE DISEASES.

There is a list and support group for these people so anyone here doubting how dangerous it is NOT TO BE VACCINATED or worse...NOT ALLOWING THEIR CHILDREN TO BE VACCINATED....can ask one of these Good Intentioned Religious Group members whether they should have gotten their Booster Shots before going into a THIRD WORLD WAR ZONE OR DISASTER AREA.

I am not trying to preach to anyone. I am trying to save the lives of Children who DEPEND on their PARENTS to make the right decisions for them. So...go ahead and get a good look...make a call...these people who are living on borrowed time will be HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU! Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


It appears this way SplitInfnity, until you become aware that the epidemics were coming from the vaccination programs. If you look through a timeline of the major epidemics you'll see that most were actually in the areas where people had been vaccinated against the specific illness not long prior to the outbreak; it was the vaccinated people who got ill. The exception to this rule is when people were traveling to a part of the globe that had been isolated/detached for 1000's of years.

History has been rewritten for profit!

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Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. (Physician William Howard Hay's address of June 25, 1937; printed in the Congressional Record)

"I was working in one of the oldest lung illness treatment centres in Germany, and just by chance, I looked at the files of those people who had fallen ill during the first German epidemic of smallpox, in 1947...We had always been told that the smallpox vaccination would protect against smallpox. And now I could verify, thanks to the files and papers, that all of those who had fallen ill had been vaccinated. This was very upsetting for me." - Dr. Buchwald, M.D.

If vaccines are so effective in preventing disease why have epidemics occurred around the world following mass vaccination programs? In the Philippines for example, "after ten years of compulsory inoculation against smallpox (25 million shots) over 170,000 got smallpox and 75,000 deaths were recorded between 1911 and 1920" (from the Townsend Letter for Doctors article "Are Vaccines Generally Detrimental to the Human Defence System," Feb/Mar 1994).

"Dutch scientists are struggling to identify the exact cause of an epidemic of whooping cough that has swept throughout the country despite vaccination rates as high as 96%. Similar problems are also being reported from Norway and Denmark." -British Medical Journal, 1998.

www.vaclib.org...

reply to post by Rubinstein

I am in no way attempting to shrug off facts to the effects of improperly designed or formulated vaccines. What I AM attempting to convey is that basic vaccinations for diseases such as T.B., Polio...etc...are a MUST as unless you live in a remote area...you and your kids as going to come in contact with a person or even a fruit or vegetable picked and packaged by either a migrant worker or come in contact with a person who has either immigrated to the U.S. legally or illegally or become infected on a Playground or Public facility by a Virus or Mutated Bacteria that will live on a surface for hours or even days.

If your kid goes to a public school...they can only do so if they have had their proper shots or booster shots and to my knowledge...and I and my Family own a company in the Medical Field...the ratio of dangerous Immunization interactions is tiny in comparison to the probability that a Child WILL at some time...come in contact in one way or another...one of these dangerous diseases.

To use examples of breakouts in another country as it is...UNFORTUNATELY...Corporate Procedure to test Vaccines for free to the Third World Populous. The Dutch incident is a case of EGO and AMBITION and things of this nature RARELY occur in the United States.

To not get oneself and your children innoculated is foolhardy and DANGEROUS...and extremely STUPID!
Split Infinity

SplitInfinity,

It's the data we're being given that needs to be questioned, we are told all is safe and effective, they use fear mongering to make us want to comply. They make big money from these vaccines.

However, when someone independent shows up, like the internationally renowned Cochrane Colloboration, we are told that there's no evidence the vaccines are safe, necessary or effective

"The CDC has pushed mass use of influenza vaccine in all children without scientific evidence the policy is either necessary or safe," www.medicalnewstoday.com...

We are told that the studies that have been used by Big Pharma are fundamentally flawed, we have been lied to

"Dozens of convulsions and other adverse events, including brain injury experienced by children after vaccination, were excluded from the study if the children had not been seen by a doctor within 14 days of the adverse event or were sick in the weeks before and after vaccination." www.medicalnewstoday.com...

I would recommend to anyone who is still being effected by the fear mongering that is used against us, please take a step back. Ask yourself, if a company is testing its own products, are they going to prove them unsafe? Now, how can we sort this out, we desperately need independent testing, the Cochrane Colloboration are a blessing, but we need more like them. We can ask INDEPENDENT testers; is it necessary? Is it safe? Is it effective? We can expect honest answers, unlike with Big Pharma where it's all smiles as they sell you a HIV contaminated vaccine (documented FACT)

Until that happens, anyone who wants to protect their health and the health of their family, has to completely boycott Big Pharma; the health risk of using their products far exceeds the risk of not using them.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

I am in no way attempting to shrug off facts to the effects of improperly designed or formulated vaccines. What I AM attempting to convey is that basic vaccinations for diseases such as T.B., Polio...etc...are a MUST as unless you live in a remote area...you and your kids as going to come in contact with a person or even a fruit or vegetable picked and packaged by either a migrant worker or come in contact with a person who has either immigrated to the U.S. legally or illegally or become infected on a Playground or Public facility by a Virus or Mutated Bacteria that will live on a surface for hours or even days.

If your kid goes to a public school...they can only do so if they have had their proper shots or booster shots and to my knowledge...and I and my Family own a company in the Medical Field...the ratio of dangerous Immunization interactions is tiny in comparison to the probability that a Child WILL at some time...come in contact in one way or another...one of these dangerous diseases.

To use examples of breakouts in another country as it is...UNFORTUNATELY...Corporate Procedure to test Vaccines for free to the Third World Populous. The Dutch incident is a case of EGO and AMBITION and things of this nature RARELY occur in the United States.

To not get oneself and your children innoculated is foolhardy and DANGEROUS...and extremely STUPID!
Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Rubinstein

 

I am in no way attempting to shrug off facts to the effects of improperly designed or formulated vaccines. What I AM attempting to convey is that basic vaccinations for diseases such as T.B., Polio...etc...are a MUST as unless you live in a remote area.

Also, keep in mind that it tends to be the vaccinated people who go down with these illnesses, not the unvaccinated.

Unvaccinated people are a healthy bunch!

Survey Results: Are Unvaccinated Children Healthier?‏
www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com...

reply to post by SplitInfinity


SplitInfinity,

One thing I've noticed is that you are driven by fear, as are a lot of people, but unfortunately a fear-based decision is unlikely to be as good as one that's based on knowledge, understanding and a respect for the human body.

Fear is a strong motivator, without a doubt. It is the reason why most people make the health decisions that they do. Here's a famous quote which you might well have heard before "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself"

reply to post by Rubinstein

I liked your previous post...the one before the one I am now replying to...as I agree with much of it. But I even though I...like you...do not trust Mega-Drug Corps...and yes...they always lie and say it is perfectly safe...I KNOW that it is imperative to get your kids innoculated against certain diseases.

And...NO...the Non-Immunized are not a healthy bunch. All one has to do is look at the percentages of people who get their shots and booster shots vs. those who do not.

Now as far as Flu Vaccines...I do not get them. This is something that only the weak and old should get as a healthy persons immune system will fight off a flu. The problem occurs when you get a mutated Flu that is able to be transmitted from one species to another as such...Avian Flu...Swine Flu...etc.

Pandemics from these types of these mutated versions have killed Millions in the past and we are ripe for a new one. The possibility of massive death outweighs the side effects.

Another thing...every time a kid gets a cold...their Mother rushes them to the Doctor and gets Antibiotics suscribed. Then after a fw days of taking them...the kid feels better and the parent stops giving the kid the drugs. This is how a we get Bacteria that will not respond to traditional antibiotics as a Virus can only be killed by a persons immune system...the antibiotics treat the symtoms of the virus that turn into bacterial infections such as a raw runny nose or ear and sinus infections.

Now I am an extremely fit and healthy person. I never get sick and my family on both sides tend to live into their mid 90's or longer...my Great Aunt was 107...I believe when she passed and my grandmother on both sides passed in their mid 90's with one Grandfather who worked on the Manhattan Project passing in his late 70's due to Colon Cancer as a cause of Milling Uranium...there is no history of cancer in my family and a law suit is pending.

I come into contact with many people from many parts of the world and I travel extensively except for when I am in studio as I have been for longer than usual. I ALWAYS get Booster Shots for specific Third World Countries and have seen a man very much like myself who was rushed into a War Zone without proper Booster Shots come down with in a perios of a week a Disease that was a Mutated Strain of Strep that was transmitted through a Virus. So a Bacteria and a Virus together as the Virus actually infected the Strep.

This booster shot is not something that your everyday person would get but when you are near the equator...all sorts of nast things are growing in the heat. He is in a wheel chair as it got into his bones. The only difference between myself and him was a shot.

Now this is being in a high risk enviroment...but even the Healthiest and Strongest of us has NO CHANCE against a Mutated Virus....especially one that has crossed species lines and Humans have no protection against since our immune systems cannot identify it or target it. THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF IMMUNIZATION! It allows the Human Bodies immune system to identify the Virus and KILL IT! Without the shot...you are dead. It is that simple. No amount of treatment or ones ability to heal themselves will allow you to live.

Now...some on this topic are talking about not allowing their children to get the very basic and long known safe innoculations for diseases such as T.B. or Polio. This is just plain STUPIDITY! If you would just research what diseases like these will do to a child and weigh that against VERY SAFE and PROVEN standard innoculation...the risk of harm to your child from the shot is miniscule compared to the risk of infection. And for those of you who do not know...A VIRUS IS NOT ALIVE! It is a snippet of a Molecular chain of aminoacids or DNA that only reproduces once it penetrates a living cell. Since it has DNA...it Mutates and changes to be able to exist. A Bacteria is a LIVING ORGANISM...and it has DNA and can reproduce without a host.

Please...don't just take a position without weighing the risks. Split Infinity

reply to post by Rubinstein

No...I am not driven by fear...I am driven by experience and facts. I have seen what some of these diseases will do to a person firsthand in many countries and people in the U.S. do not see this as most people have been innoculated in the U.S.

This is WHY people have lost their fear of these diseases and site the risks of getting a shot. They have never seen Viral Infections on a large scale. They have never seen a Mutated Bacteria Strain that will not respond to standard antibiotics...eat a person to the bone.

It is peoples LACK of fear that is an issue. Split Infinity

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Because there are some paranoid idiots out there...who believe everyone is out to get them, you want to ban potential life saving vaccines?

You don't want to take them..fine...but don't force others to follow the lead.

Who is forcing who? Public schools and even some universities where I live will not enroll your kids unless you have current and up to date shot records. This should be a parents choice for their children not mandated by the government or big Pharma interests. I'm sure there are counter arguments for both sides of this issue but at the end of the day we have to make this decision on our own.

reply to post by Ruralguy

The reason they won't let a kid go to school without updated shots is so they can't pass a disease to other kids.
Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Ruralguy

 

The reason they won't let a kid go to school without updated shots is so they can't pass a disease to other kids.
Split Infinity

How is that protecting the other kids? If a kid has been immunized how would they catch the disease from a kid that's not?

reply to post by Ruralguy

First of all...just because you have had your shots does not make you 100% unsusceptible to developing the disease. You are still a carrier even if you do not get sick.

Plus...a kid who has had their shots could be a carrier and infect a kid without their shots. The idea is to not allow the Virus to Mutate which it will do in a case of extreme exposure to kids that have had their shots.

Once the Virus mutates...all bets are off. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


SI: If you would just research what diseases like these will do to a child and weigh that against VERY SAFE and PROVEN standard innoculation...the risk of harm to your child from the shot is miniscule compared to the risk of infection. And for those of you who do not know...A VIRUS IS NOT ALIVE! It is a snippet of a Molecular chain of aminoacids or DNA that only reproduces once it penetrates a living cell. Since it has DNA...it Mutates and changes to be able to exist. A Bacteria is a LIVING ORGANISM...and it has DNA and can reproduce without a host.

I apologise for the length of this post, but there is so much more to this than what you've stated.

www.informedchoice.info...

There is an even stronger statement dating back to 1990. A scientist in the field writes, "The present concern is for safety of vaccines made using transformed or neoplastic mammalian cells that may contain endogenous contaminating viruses or integrated gene sequences from oncogenic viruses. There is also concern for use of plasmid vectors employing promoter elements from oncogenic viruses. The principal concern for safety lies with retention of residual DNA in the vaccine, especially since induction of cancer is a single -cell phenomenon, and a single functional unit of foreign DNA integrated into the host cell genome might serve to induce cell transformation as a single event or part of a series of multifactorial events. Current proposed standards for vaccines would permit contamination with up to 100 pg [picograms] of heterologous DNA per dose. This is equivalent to about 10(8) ‘functional lengths’ of DNA. Total safety would seem to require complete absence of DNA from the product." (31)

Please note that 10(8) means 10 to the power of 8, or 100,000,000 "functional lengths" of DNA are allowed per dose of vaccine. Is there something wrong with this picture? How long will the general public be subjected to these vaccine products that according to this information, are nowhere near safe?

It has taken, for instance, approximately forty years for the scientific community to finally acknowledge that we have a serious problem as a result of the contaminatio n of polio vaccines with simian virus 40 (SV40) in the late 1950s-early 1960s. There has been previous evidence of some human brain and other tumors containing this virus (32, 33), but the medical community has been slow to acknowledge a definitive link between SV40 and cancer in humans. However, two independent research teams have recently found this virus present in 43% of cases of non-Hodgkins lymphoma (34, 35). Another study found it present in 36% of brain tumors, 16% of healthy blood cell samples, and 22% of healthy semen samples (36). And strangely, SV40 has now been found to infect children (37). Considering that children of this era, are not supposed to be receiving the virus via the vaccine contamination route, this would therefore imply that SV40 is being transmitted from one human to another, in ways not previously known.

Other simian viruses may also be contaminating the (Vero) monkey cell lines used for vaccine production. One example from the literature cites the contamination presence of SV20, which is a oncogenic simian adenovirus (38).

Simply put, are we in a state of denial that vaccines are ultimately transmitting viruses, DNA, and proteins into humans from foreign animal sources (and possibly unhealthy human sources), and that this may be strongly contributing to the incredible upsurge in cancers and serious chronic diseases? Are these foreign animal genes altering your DNA? Furthermore, given that viral presence can sometimes take years to manifest actual disease symptoms, and then considering the tendencies of health-related agencies and corporations towards short-term solutions and profits, will we ever truly know the long-term consequences until it is too late?