Fukushima is falling apart: are you ready?

Man's greatest folly is the arrogance that thought we could "harness" the power of the atom. Check out my username... that says it all. Not if but, only a matter of when.

Truly heartbreaking and devastating.

reply to post by SoymilkAlaska


Of course people shouldn't eat anything from the ocean (and remember, there is only one ocean, even though people have tossed different names on different sections of it).

If anyone from ATS is still eating "sea food" they need to have their heads examined - with a geiger counter!

I have a great idea, how about you dont build nuclear power plants on unstable coastlines where EQ's and Tsunami's are highly probable threats....

reply to post by Aleister


You bring up a good point about the Geiger counter. Does anyone here have a Geiger counter? These reports about radiation being everywhere are interesting, but are they true? If you have a Geiger counter take a reading of your backyard, your seafood, your canned goods from Japan and post a photo showing us the reading, whether it's high or not.

Originally posted by Chronon
reply to post by Aleister

 

You bring up a good point about the Geiger counter. Does anyone here have a Geiger counter? These reports about radiation being everywhere are interesting, but are they true? If you have a Geiger counter take a reading of your backyard, your seafood, your canned goods from Japan and post a photo showing us the reading, whether it's high or not.

Yea, I gotta say the seafood thing really worries me... I eat it quite often not even thinking about all the disasters that have contaminated the oceans in recent memory, Fukushima, the BP Oil (deep horizon), etc.... This is a damn shame because I love seafood... I guess I need to stick to farm fresh seafood from now on.... No more Alaskan King Crab for me

reply to post by KillThePoor

In my physics class we were drilled by the book to support nuclear energy because it was the future. I admit, the physics of nuclear power generation is IMPRESSIVE. Theoretically and in practice, it's safe. The newer models are much safer than previous models. And if we switched to thorium fuel, it would be even safer. The problem is when companies cut corners and government watchdogs don't do their job to ensure the industry is acting safely. The thing with nuclear power plants is that if something goes wrong then it can go dangerously wrong. It's not like a solar panel where if it breaks you can replace it. It's centralized too. This is the achilles heel of nuclear power and is the reason nuclear power needs support from the government to incite the investors to put their money into nuclear power rather than in something less risky in the long-term and less expensive in the short-term. Bottom line, coal power plants in the US alone killed in excess of 200,000 people between 1995 and 2005. Tens of millions of people have died from the use of coal power across the world over the past several decades. Until the countries of the world can create an energy infrastructure that's honest and safe, nuclear or not, people will die.

I don't want to minimize the seriousness of the situation, but I think that in some ways atleast the radiation danger is being overblown. To say that a single fuel rod can kill billions may be theoretically correct, but that's like saying that a black mamba can kill 17 people with a single bite. The radioactive discharge of a nuclear detonation (and the destructive range of a nuke) is generally overblown. Now I know that Fukushima has more material that any one nuke, but it is not enriched nearly to the extent of that found in a nuke. So the question arises how many weapon detonations ( of whatever size) does Fukushima replicate if it goes completely bust? The US and others have detonated thousands of nuclear weapons and we are still fine. I'm not saying there won't be serious repercussions. But a northern hemisphere killer?

I don't believe the media is reporting this historical and horrific event because if the general population knew how drastic the situation was it'd be anarchy. The puppet masters want to keep the normalcy bias in effect as long as possible in an effort to maintain us as fatuous consumers floating a bullcrap economy.

The one thing I don't understand is how the powers that be think they are immune from this lethal radiation. Is everyone suicidal or do they have a magic pill I don't know about?

It would seem to be inherently safer to build the N power plant in a ship. That way the ship could be positioned away from the coast and be immune to quakes. They would be big enough to ride out all storms as well and if ever threatened would be able to move.

Too late now.

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reply to post by PageAlaCearl


ooofff, well seems like those that predicted that the radiation will come were right but they never said what the time will be, plus 13 months? kind of a odd number.

Well the only thing I can say is those that know how to build cloud-busters, build them now. It's efficient, and able to "Freeze" radiation, A.K.A. Deadly Life-Force, anywhere, even on the ground. Let's just say, we are all positive beings, literally positive. As in a cathode +. Now if you put a radioactive dust into the air, the air would be positively charged.

We all know what happens when like-side magnets meet each other, they repel, similar to radioactive dust, once inside a person, they repel the other positive parts of the body. However, take a bath that is loaded with a negative charge and it will become ineffective. Or you can take the charge away by wearing certain devices or stones that take away the cause of the illness. If people want to know more about the science call "Soft Partice Physics" just pm me. or ask right here.

So review, if you know how to make a cloud-buster, do it now, protect everyone.

I think the leaders are just insane. Plain and simple . They do not think.
So corrupted by power and greed. A bunch of us dying would be great for them.
I do not think they even think about themselves. They think they are Gods.

reply to post by blackcalx

Is this an episode of the fear factor?

Do you realize how many things are going wrong on the planet right now. Just to give you one example, climate modelers are now saying that CO2 will eclipse 800ppm by 2100 and could very well go over 1000ppm. When the models are pushed to 300 years out and further, some of them show our planet being virtually uninhabitable. And this is AFTER vast numbers of extinctions. Planet-scale geo-engineering will be necessary. These aren't wild speculations, they're computer models based heavily on theory and observation of the climate system. Sure you, you can blow them all off have as spurious computer BS, but I could throw it right back at you, ya know. I could say that this situation in japan is being greatly exaggerated by the fear porn industry and anti-nuke lobby.

Do you even realize that solving our nuclear problem is hte tip of hte iceberg? If you one is to believe all of the fear out there, humanity will not survive the next 300 years unless it leaves this planet.

Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by blackcalx

 

Is this an episode of the fear factor?

Do you realize how many things are going wrong on the planet right now. Just to give you one example, climate modelers are now saying that CO2 will eclipse 800ppm by 2100 and could very well go over 1000ppm. When the models are pushed to 300 years out and further, some of them show our planet being virtually uninhabitable. These aren't wild speculations, they're computer models based heavily on theory and observation of the climate system. Sure you, you can blow them all off have as spurious computer BS, but I could throw it right back at you, ya know. I could say that this situation in japan is being greatly exaggerated by the fear porn industry and anti-nuke lobby.

Do you even realize that solving our nuclear problem is hte tip of hte iceberg?

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You would think that a global effort would be made to nip this in the bud, but unforunately we have total dumbasses running the world....

reply to post by doobydoll


Why can't they encase these rods in say concrete/lead tow them out to sea and sink them directly above a subduction zone, where they would be sucked under and taken back deep inside the mantle?? Is this possible or a bad idea???

I dont know much about nuclear plants, but why dont they shut it down and remove the fuel rods?

i have a stupid question: weren't these things build by experts? Are they 'experts' before or after the fact? My gosh, do these people think of CONSEQUENCES; or do they just do things...out of stupidy? Why EXACTLY do we need nuclear anything...if it is lethal? NOW, we worry? Shouldn't we have worried BEFORE they built the darn things? Like....duuuuuuuuuh.

Hey...i just got a revelation....God is just gonna watch man destroy himself....no need for HIM to intervene, this time.

reply to post by jonnywhite


Actually I would argue it's being seriously downplayed rather than overblown by the mainstream media. I'm unfamiliar with the "fear porn industry." Thank you for your thoughts.

Originally posted by TheStrugler
I dont know much about nuclear plants, but why dont they shut it down and remove the fuel rods?

I wonder that too... Maybe they dont have the necessary suits to get close enough to the unstable reactors and because of that no one is willing to go in there to try to fix it

Originally posted by Erectus
I don't want to minimize the seriousness of the situation, but I think that in some ways atleast the radiation danger is being overblown. To say that a single fuel rod can kill billions may be theoretically correct, but that's like saying that a black mamba can kill 17 people with a single bite. The radioactive discharge of a nuclear detonation (and the destructive range of a nuke) is generally overblown. Now I know that Fukushima has more material that any one nuke, but it is not enriched nearly to the extent of that found in a nuke. So the question arises how many weapon detonations ( of whatever size) does Fukushima replicate if it goes completely bust? The US and others have detonated thousands of nuclear weapons and we are still fine. I'm not saying there won't be serious repercussions. But a northern hemisphere killer?

The problem is on multiple fronts. The proximity to the ocean, where millions of tons of water, highly, uncontrolled radioactive water is being dumped daily. This will go one for beyond the foreseeable future. The burning of highly radioactive waste pouring untold amounts of hot ash into the atmosphere. The potential of reactor 4, which, unlike nuclear bombs, has a varied core of elements. These elements, should the explode, will spread all over the northern hemisphere via water, food and animals and cannot be seen, felt or tasted until it is way too late.

All of these issues, based on current technology, and the fact that TEPCO is bankrupt and the only organization working on the problem, means this will go on for the next 50 years. Oh, and btw, if we don't keep water flowing, corrosive salt water, over the whole of the still unclear mess, things get way way worse: that water needs to flow continuously from now until something solves a problem we can't solve and TEPCO can't afford to solve.

I'll say nothing of the waste that has wound up in the food supply via hot particles already in fish, rice, cows milk in CA, as this topic isn't really even been explored as it is just impossible to comprehend, let alone deal with.

This is all very, very bad. The coming 7.6+ will show us how bad, then, maybe then, someone more then TEPCO might step up to help the planet. Though I doubt it, we'll just get shoved off via some manufactured crises like Iran or some sex scandal.

Originally posted by Pegasus2000
reply to post by IanPaul

 

That's an even more frightening thaught. Firing tons of nuclear waste Through the atmosphere hoping the launch will be a success and not have a failed launch and have the debris deposited into the atmosphere. Tha though is horrifying to me.

This is where you would contact , say, north Korea for peace of mind.

They are the best at launching rockets