The Immigration conspiracy. Something IS happening!

if Bob then started complaining about legal immigration, it would make Bob into a total hypocrite

Nope, he is not a hypocrite at all, because Bob is not responsible or liable for what his distant ancestors did. So yes, in that case Bob has the right to complain about immigration just as any other legal citizen does.

reply to post by daaskapital

The exact same circumstances are happening here in Australia. Perhaps this is an international conspiracy. Something strange is happening for these African immigrants to be able to move to Western countries and be able to afford expensive houses/cars/clothes.

International conspiracy?! Maybe lay off the crack and alcohol for a few days will ya?!

If there was ever an international conspiracy it is the way Western countries completely RAPE(d) African countries, become rich off the resources, and then treat Africans as if they were a lower class of humans.

Then for you to complain about immigrants that are fleeing a war zone....and turn it into a conspiracy is just...deranged. Empty of empathy. Close minded and egoistic. Or what about the guy who had an encounter with a drunk fellow and bases his entire thinking on that one encounter?! That is straight up INSANITY!

Not to forget that these individuals who are fleeing, just came from a war zone(because the West needs resources) and are suffering from all kinds of war-related illnesses.

I would strongly advise you all to go see a mental health professional.

"Something strange is happening"

Yes, you guys are losing it and you're oblivious to it. That's very strange.

I saw the same things, new houses, new cars, business and school loans etc.... I didn't understand a lot of it since I was a child, but I remember feeling overwhelmed by a new culture who was rude, nonsocial and appeared to have no desire to learn the English language.

Boo hoo, you are ignorant. What happened in those days with Vietnam for them to flee?! You people are CLUELESS it seems!

He is as we are, merely a Christian. He goes to church, I do not, but we share the same values.

Oh man, you are IDOLIZING. That is completely AGAINST Christianity.

I have a problem with immigrants coming in and somehow affording a better life than well settled natives.

Get off your ass and work hard? You think the immigrants just "get" what they have?!

I am an Aussie and a Racist, my ancestors pioneered Australia and gave their lives for their country not to be rooted by a bunch of lazy shiftless trash, who have no intention of assimilating into society, they are just happy to suck off the Tit of the tax paying Aussies, the good thing about it all is when the Aussie has had enough they had better stay indoors, and don't let the sun shine on their ass.

Yeah yeah, your IQ points are nowhere near anything for ANYONE to take you serious. Only your fellow racists who you like to ahem....you get the drift


Gotta love that every day ATS is getting more and more racist but the motto remains "deny ignorance". Why don't you posters here go read some history, educate yourself before calling others uneducated, then come back here and create a thread that is not vile to the point of disgusting. Unfreakingbelievable.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Nuker
I'd say this picture sums up what I have said, and Maslo just said.

That picture is brilliant. I hope you don't mind me putting it on the page without needing to load a link.

edit on 23-4-2012 by ollncasino because: grammar

I don't mind at all.

As I stated earlier. I have nothing against immigration if the immigrants are decent honest people. Yet in my lifetime I've heard so many people say "No immigrants at all!"

Funny how these people feel that way, because that's exactly how the indigenous people of North America and Oceania felt. Who knows, maybe it's karma. Many people say that all things do eventually come back around.

reply to post by Nuker


Just FYI, that "picture" is retarded.

You know why?

Because even though you can LEARN from history, you cannot relate two completely different matters. Isn't it weird that you guys are completely ignorant of history, yet you choose to USE the native Americans as an example to further your own racist agendas? The way 90% of the posters here type it would seem that they never leave their house unless it's for the pub - they never intermingle or become friends with someone of a different skin color - nor does it seem they care enough for themselves to THINK about what they are saying, they don't care enough about themselves to educate themselves by reading. So please tell me, how does one take these (racist) people serious when their own lives are messed up - even though they had all the cards dealt to them from the start?!

reply to post by Xaphan

As I stated earlier. I have nothing against immigration if the immigrants are decent honest people.

I would agree with you there if it wasn't for the "decent and honest people" part. Why? Well for you to want that it should mean that every person that lives where you live is already decent and honest. But that is not the case now is it? In fact, I bet there are far more dishonest and non-decent people living EVERYWHERE than decent and honest people. That's why there is war. That's why there are immigrants.

Yet in my lifetime I've heard so many people say "No immigrants at all!"

As an immigrant myself it pains my heart when I hear these things. Those shouting these things often have no clue what we have gone through to get where we are. And they have no clue how it is to be smarter and more productive than 99.9% of the "white people" they encounter, but still be looked at as inferior because of differences in skin color or hair color or eye color...it defeats the point of trying. Still, we don't give up because we know what to cherish in life while most of these racists would sell their mothers to an immigrant for some booze or coc aine or crack. In fact, most of these racists are substance abusers...

You have to understand that it is just 2012. Not 3012. Maybe in 3012 we can stop all the wars so none of the immigrants, who are our brothers and sisters in the human race, will have to flee from wars that are engineered to only enrich a few at the cost of millions of people suffering and being displaced.

Who knows, maybe it's karma. Many people say that all things do eventually come back around.

And maybe it's just life. Maybe we all, still, really DO need to learn to live together. So that wars may one day stop and there won't be a need to flee.

hey im pretty much new here and after reading this immigration issues in this post and some comments i've been thinking of posting some of my critical analysis and expiernce.

introducing myself im a female originally from middle east born and grew up all my life in kuwait. i learned english in a private british education from kindergarden till year 11 graduation. all my teachers are forgeiners who immigrated here from Europe and USA . they both get suprised by most students have american accents although most percentage of students are learning in a IGCSE british system whereas the american system is less. and lol i have a french handwriting which i can't get rid of. and now im in ACK australian college of kuwait studying human resources.

anyways i just wanted to say there are advatages and disadvantages of having people who come to a country.

lets say Indonesia and india for example think of having tourists from rich countries which ofcourse is an advatage because money is coming from outside money to inside

but the disadvatage is is when the rich tourists starts littering, making fun of the tradtion and the people and more tourists stepping or messing around with plants that could have been for food plus over-crowdness in beaches ( if they were in an island) destroying the natural beauty and environment.

As for countries like US and Belgium for example they may be having the goods but there are business competitors and need work force not just skilled workers but manual workers aswell . so they get pple from poor countries to get them into the manual work but the problem is is that they get paid less which leads them into stealing. but also another advantage is with getting immigrants are from rich countries who actually help investment and help also with advertising their products into the immigrants country which leads into global marketing and also money flow towards US and Belgium .

since i do live in middle east and let me tell u that even though u move into an area where there are arabs live there the difference between a westerner is that westerners is that they move and find random pple to form and stay as a group for survival or eiher protection and trust , this leads to them claim themselves the KKK or Nazi followers ( I've seen some claims but not everyone is the same , its just some don't want to be in a group but dislikes the immigrants due to expiernce or noticing ) and others claiming and labeling that they are

as for arabs they'll tell u that the surrounding area that everybody who lives there is actually everyone is blood related, so lol u can't label them as racist even women wether covered in tradtional clothes or western clothes such as jeans and shirt , either way an outsider cannot come towards them or anywhere near passing through the circle

if u wanna try to get in the circle its very easy thing to do which is....

be true to your heart...... if ur friendly we know u are .. if ur agrressive we know that aswell we can tell , in middle east the desert is like a blank piece of paper and anything appears wether a dot or some figure u look closely at it in curiousty. even though u walk in a shop or sit down for a chat or anything u'll see that everyone is is distracted , busy and chatting outloud noisy but in the matter of fact all of us notice everyones single body movement, voice and facial expression also detailed words. we can tell wether a person will strike even with a calm face and relaxed voice. especially if that person was pointing a weapon at u its very easy.

We do have poor immigrants from poor countries and in islam we do have charity which is only for the poor and needy

how do is it work in islam ? wether islamic charity or u , u don't give money to a poor healthy man unless one of the body parts are missing and he can't work for food and money ( example harvesting in farm or working in a coffee shop ) . if a female is not given unless there was a problem that she can't get food or money for any types of issues either health or cultural reasons . if the person who is in a land area that has crops destroyed and closeto malnutrition is given for healthy saftey and will see further changes if the person is recovered and works hard again. finally a person is given unless the job payment is low and unable to feed children will be helped.

as for stealing , in islam stealing will get ur hand cut off which is the rule ! but unless.....

if u were robbed by a poor person who does'nt know about charity and was'nt given help for a job will be helped.

but if u were robbed another person who was helped but still robs then the rule must be done

also for a rich man steals from anyone punishable by his hand being cut off

this goes for women as well for stealing except for the ones who had no other option but to steal for survival but not entertainment and greed.

now even though u may not be a muslim and when a muslim says put the sharia law .. continued part1 to 2

Originally posted by Nuker

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Nuker
I'd say this picture sums up what I have said, and Maslo just said.

That picture is brilliant. I hope you don't mind me putting it on the page without needing to load a link.

edit on 23-4-2012 by ollncasino because: grammar

I don't mind at all.

You know it's funny you say that, let me correct you on your blatant ignorance as well as anyone who agrees with it

We wouldn't be having this discussion if that didn't happen -
American inventions -
Internet - post 1776
Computers - post 1776
Adobe Corporation - post 1776
US Army - 1776
Wikipedia - through an adobe css,html graphics program to design the website - through internet made by US army - through United States - post 1776

So how did you found out the native americans were displaced?
You must have used the USA's wikipedia, on the USA's internet made by the US army on the USA's computer, all inventions that ARE MAJOR and needed to keep as all connected even with your blatant idiocy.
Now you being the genius you are, tell me of those listed american inventions, WHICH happened BEFORE the native americans displaced, so you could come on here and spout ignorance.

Natives DID NOT have laws against immigration, they didnt pens etc
Be glad the US was taken over so we today could have the chance to talk to each other today and have a connected world, most of what the world has today was made in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA, not the "american land" that natives occupied, it was specifically made in the U.S.A.
There'd be no USA without that great tradegy, but still the natives dont own the USA land anymore, the jews do now.
Natives and immigrants even americans dont have a say anymore.

BTW im not american just sayin facts is all

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by daaskapital

 

The exact same circumstances are happening here in Australia. Perhaps this is an international conspiracy. Something strange is happening for these African immigrants to be able to move to Western countries and be able to afford expensive houses/cars/clothes.

International conspiracy?! Maybe lay off the crack and alcohol for a few days will ya?!

If there was ever an international conspiracy it is the way Western countries completely RAPE(d) African countries, become rich off the resources, and then treat Africans as if they were a lower class of humans.

Then for you to complain about immigrants that are fleeing a war zone....and turn it into a conspiracy is just...deranged. Empty of empathy. Close minded and egoistic. Or what about the guy who had an encounter with a drunk fellow and bases his entire thinking on that one encounter?! That is straight up INSANITY!

Not to forget that these individuals who are fleeing, just came from a war zone(because the West needs resources) and are suffering from all kinds of war-related illnesses.

I would strongly advise you all to go see a mental health professional.

"Something strange is happening"

Yes, you guys are losing it and you're oblivious to it. That's very strange.

I saw the same things, new houses, new cars, business and school loans etc.... I didn't understand a lot of it since I was a child, but I remember feeling overwhelmed by a new culture who was rude, nonsocial and appeared to have no desire to learn the English language.

Boo hoo, you are ignorant. What happened in those days with Vietnam for them to flee?! You people are CLUELESS it seems!

He is as we are, merely a Christian. He goes to church, I do not, but we share the same values.

Oh man, you are IDOLIZING. That is completely AGAINST Christianity.

I have a problem with immigrants coming in and somehow affording a better life than well settled natives.

Get off your ass and work hard? You think the immigrants just "get" what they have?!

I am an Aussie and a Racist, my ancestors pioneered Australia and gave their lives for their country not to be rooted by a bunch of lazy shiftless trash, who have no intention of assimilating into society, they are just happy to suck off the Tit of the tax paying Aussies, the good thing about it all is when the Aussie has had enough they had better stay indoors, and don't let the sun shine on their ass.

Yeah yeah, your IQ points are nowhere near anything for ANYONE to take you serious. Only your fellow racists who you like to ahem....you get the drift

Gotta love that every day ATS is getting more and more racist but the motto remains "deny ignorance". Why don't you posters here go read some history, educate yourself before calling others uneducated, then come back here and create a thread that is not vile to the point of disgusting. Unfreakingbelievable.

If you read properly, i said "Perhaps this is an international conspiracy." PERHAPS!!!. I didn't say it was.


I don't understand how Africans are being treates as lower class citizens when they own $400,000 ^ houses, $60,000 vehicles, and have all the luxury they want. there are citizens in Australia who also need this type of help, yet Africans get it first,

As i said. i am not complaining, only curious as to how immigrants are fleeing all over the world, only to get things the average citizen could dream off having.

Many immigrants from Africa do not work. Most of them bludge off of tax money.

None of us attacked anyone specifically. This thread was created to address issues which Australia, as a nation is experienceing. Furthermore, this thread also addresses the fact that the Australian Government is trying to cover it up, or not talk about it all, when it is clearly happening. And it just so happens that Inernational members are experiencing the exact same thing.

As i stated in my op, this thread was not intended to be racist, nor was it to fall victim to racial abuse, which is what you are trying so hard to achieve. Sorry, but i am for civil discussion, not attacks in which you are making.

Good day.

Originally posted by fxtrademark
but still the natives dont own the USA land anymore, the jews do now.

Congratulations. You just broke the world record for most credibility lost in one sentence. Would you like your medal mailed to you or would you prefer to come pick it up?

reply to post by Q8igirl

As for countries like US and Belgium for example they may be having the goods but there are business competitors and need work force not just skilled workers but manual workers aswell .

It's good you mention Belgium. Let me give you an example of how Belgium screws over immigrants TWICE(this applies to all other countries that rape the resources of nations):

Belgium rapes Congo of natural resources. Pays next to nothing to the people digging for gold with their bare hands. They sell weapons to tribal leaders, whom they also pay to wage war against other tribes. Why? Well, a unified Congo wouldn't make it easy or cheap for the Belgians to get their gold and other resources. THEN, the immigrants from Congo are discriminated against in Belgium after they flee from the wars that were instigated for resources. Resources that let rich folk wear their gold.

It's heart breaking to understand what people had/have to go through in Congo, just because Belgium wants cheap gold.

I wonder what Australia is getting from Sudan!

reply to post by InfoKartel

Then for you to complain about immigrants that are fleeing a war zone....and turn it into a conspiracy is just...deranged. Empty of empathy. Close minded and egoistic.

Nope, it makes sense. Because as you said, the proper solution is to end the wars and imperialism in their countries.

Unrestricted mass immigration is not part of the solution, nor can it be justified by pointing fingers at western imperialistic past or present.

Originally posted by TritonTaranis
I really don't understand what the TPTB are playing at here, unemployment is dropping still and they want to bring over millions of foreigners into our country's to live on the dole getting hand outs? very strange move

Quite simple really, it's called divide & conquer.

If we all stand together instead of bickering and fighting amongst ourselves, we could change this world and end this tyranny.
And TPTB are very aware of this fact.

Originally posted by InfoKartel
I would agree with you there if it wasn't for the "decent and honest people" part. Why? Well for you to want that it should mean that every person that lives where you live is already decent and honest. But that is not the case now is it? In fact, I bet there are far more dishonest and non-decent people living EVERYWHERE than decent and honest people. That's why there is war. That's why there are immigrants.

What I meant is that in our western civilization we already have enough problems with crime. Why should we let more dishonest people in when we already have enough problems? I don't mind immigration at all if the immigrants don't have a history of criminal activity.

reply to post by InfoKartel

THEN, the immigrants from Congo are discriminated against in Belgium after they flee from the wars that were instigated for resources. Resources that let rich folk wear their gold.

Which is just another side of the same coin. This is not a case of Belgium vs. Congo. It is a case of immoral rich folk vs. the people of Congo and Belgium. First they rape the people of Congo by imperialism, then they import them into Belgium to enable similar raping to continue in Belgium and create conflicts.

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by fxtrademark
but still the natives dont own the USA land anymore, the jews do now.

Congratulations. You just broke the world record for most credibility lost in one sentence. Would you like your medal mailed to you or would you prefer to come pick it up?

I suppose logic and reality just go over your head?

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Originally posted by fxtrademark

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by fxtrademark
but still the natives dont own the USA land anymore, the jews do now.

Congratulations. You just broke the world record for most credibility lost in one sentence. Would you like your medal mailed to you or would you prefer to come pick it up?

I suppose logic and reality just go over your head?

I don't think you are in any position to discuss reality if you actually believe these "Jewish conspiracies".

Go back to stormfront.

reply to post by Maslo

Nope, it makes sense. Because as you said, the proper solution is to end the wars and imperialism in their countries.

Yes, but you can't do that now can you?! Because if those wars would end, your precious superiority complexes would dwindle faster than a flame on a candle you're blowing at would fade away.

Unrestricted mass immigration is not part of the solution, nor can it be justified by pointing fingers at western imperialistic past or present.

It is PART of the imperialistic present. Do you even read what you type?!

reply to post by Xaphan


See and that's perfectly acceptable. But how are you going to check that? How easily can someone falsify records? How are you going to get proper records from a war torn country? It's impossible. For now at least...hence the "it's still 2012" remark.