Ron Paul won Minnesota

reply to post by Wookiep

What part of Ron Paul won the delegates do you not understand? Hence he WON Minnesota, period

Try Pig Latin next time. Maybe that will work.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by Wookiep

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by Furbs


Wisecrack out of the way, I came to the thread because I was interested in seeing if this was actually true. Ron Paul didn't actually win Minnesota. He came in second to a guy that is no longer even running.

Again, no. Santorum was 'declared' the winner by the MSM based on non-binding votes that meant nothing. The ACTUAL vote came last night, where 2o of the 24 delegates who were chosen by the state of Minnesota to represent them in Florida are Ron Paul supporters. It's convoluted, but not that tough to grasp if you pay attention.

Any questions?

No questions at all.

You seem to be perfectly happy with the will of the people being subjugated by the will of a small group. Ron Paul did not 'win' Minnesota. He was declared the winner in a meeting.

There is a pretty big difference here.

Wow, you really have no clue at all.

What part of Ron Paul won the delegates do you not understand? Hence he WON Minnesota, period.

edit on 23-4-2012 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)

Like I said before.

I UNDERSTAND THAT PAUL WAS AWARDED 20 of 24 DELEGATES.

What you don't seem to be grasping is the idea that someone can come in second and still win the state. Then again, the GOP like to win even when they lose, just like in 2000.

I guess you are really not paying attention. WAKE UP. Paul GOT those delegates, he's not in second there, he won.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by Furbs
. Ron Paul did not 'win' Minnesota. He was declared the winner in a meeting.

There is a pretty big difference here.

Ah! I see the problem!

you dont understand how delegates and primaries work

here's a starting point in your education:

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 23-4-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)

Stop with your idiocy and understand the concept.

1. Ron Paul didn't need to win the hearts and minds of anyone more than 20 of 24 people (the delegates).
2. The majority of Minnesota GOP did NOT vote for Ron Paul.

Does this really sound like a win to you, or is it all about scoring points?

Keep at it Ron Paul! Divide your party by rules-lawyering! Hack and slash your way to the top of a party that will be so disenfranchised by you that they will vote for anyone else.

Edit:

You know what, never mind. I am arguing philosophy with people viewing this like a sporting event. I'm out.

reply to post by Furbs

You know what, never mind. I am arguing philosophy with people viewing this like a sporting event. I'm out.

Excellent, don't let the door hit you on the way out. If you come back, please learn the process instead of posting drivel.

reply to post by Furbs


Like several posts have pointed out. You dont get, and apparently are unwilling to get, how delegates are awarded in a primary. In many states, Minnesota included, when a primary votes, it is not binding. So when Minnesota 'voted' in february, there was no 'winner'. But the media 'declared' one because they cater to ignorant people and have a narrative and agenda to push.

But the ACTUAL VOTE was last night. This was not determined by '20 people', but by hundreds, even thousands, who gather and argue and debate on it for hours and hours and hours until these 24 delegates they are allotted are chosen. his has also been previous explained by several other posts in this thread. Read them.

As others have said, I,too, will now stop engaging you with the exact same data to refute your totally baseless opinion, until you show the ability to respond to knowledge in a constructive way.

What you don't seem to be grasping is the idea that someone can come in second and still win the state. Then again, the GOP like to win even when they lose, just like in 2000.

Ah, yes,obvious troll is obvious.

Like I have said many many times...Paul can only play this game in the Caucus states...in Primary states he is getting close to zero delegates in each State.

Even if Ron Paul managed to pull off getting every single delegate from Caucus states (which isn't really possible), he would be no where near where he needs to be to win the nomination.

Even in MN...Romney has a good chance coming out of the state with 16-18 delegates due to super delegates and state elected delegates...it was projected that Romney would get 2...so Romney gaining that many is just bad news for Paul.


If Paul supporters honestly think that he is going to go to the convention and win the nomination...they are just setting themselves up for dissapointment.

I was elected last week as a delegate in an extremely conservative district here in AZ, with a vast majority of older retired folks who I never would have thought would vote for me since it has to be obvious I'm not likely a Romney supporter. So now I get to go to the convention and elect who gets to go to Tampa. We RP supporters are getting a majority of state delegates in all districts here, and the national delegates we elect are only bound to Romney on the first vote, if it goes to a second vote then they're free to vote for Ron Paul.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher


If Paul supporters honestly think that he is going to go to the convention and win the nomination...they are just setting themselves up for dissapointment.

Maybe. Maybe not. Cynicism is comforting, easy and predictable. I share in your cynicism, mainly because i don't want to over-estimate the intelligence of a lot of Republican voters, nor do i want to under-estimate the amount of power that will ultimately exert itself from within certain wings of the GOP. But I have to at least consider that this could represent the potential dismantling and re-constructing of what the political Right is in this country, hopefully for the better, shedding much of the corruption that represents the entire neocon wing.

And that in and of itself is a good thing in my eyes, even if I don't agree with all their ideas.

Oh look who it is, why oh why are we all not surprised that you showed up yet again to describe to us Paul supporters just how 'disillusioned' we are. How is it that for months now you keep saying Ron Paul will lose and its been everybody but him going bankrupt and falling off? That he is actually WINNING delegates, picking up more all the time and bigger and bigger rallies every new one he attends? When will you stop being 'disillusioned' to your fantasy of Ron Paul going away and wake up to what is really happening. WE ARENT GOING ANYWHERE! Thats right OutKast Searcher, even if Paul loses the nomination, you cant just put the brakes on this many people feeling this disenfranchised by their government, the people are waking up en masse and we are tired of all the BS we get fed from DC and Wall Street. Every type of person from every walk of life is starting to listen to the message of freedom and liberty as preached by Ron Paul, and its something that is truly resonating with people. From the military who protect us, to the poor who need our protecting, the old are coming on board for their children and grandchildrens sake, businessmen like myself are joining the cause, republicans and democrats are lining up for him, everybody wants what Ron Paul is saying, and its only going to continue to grow. Are you scared? Is that why you constantly tell us we cant make it happen, because your mentality is whats driving us, keep telling us we cant have that man for our president, and yeah maybe at the end of the election you will be right on the simple fact the man himself wasnt elected to the position, but rest assured, America is changing, and you are only slowing it down at this point. Jump on the train son, cause we got a ride coming, and I feel the motion of liberty and true freedom picking up steam, even as we speak. Trust me theres room for you and any freedom loving American to hop on board.

Paul for President 2012!

Originally posted by 27jd
I was elected last week as a delegate in an extremely conservative district here in AZ, with a vast majority of older retired folks who I never would have thought would vote for me since it has to be obvious I'm not likely a Romney supporter. So now I get to go to the convention and elect who gets to go to Tampa. We RP supporters are getting a majority of state delegates in all districts here, and the national delegates we elect are only bound to Romney on the first vote, if it goes to a second vote then they're free to vote for Ron Paul.

If it does go to a second vote, would you vote to represent the wishes of the majority of the folks you represent or go renegade and not vote the majority wishes? Would you fail to vote their wishes due to personal bias?

Seems to me that if a Delegate does not vote the wishes of the majority of those they represent, they are failing in their responsibilities. To me that would be dishonest and wrong.

Are you asked questions like this before your named a Delegate to make sure you can be trusted?

Santorum dropping out caused this, Romney never had a chance there. The people who where going to be Santorum delegates might be anti-Romney, when they get to caucus they see which way the wind is blowing and side with Ron Paul, I think those meetings make a huge difference. If 75% of the people are Pro-Paul your not going to waste time going for Newt at this point.

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reply to post by Blaine91555


No these Ron Paul Delegates are doing there duty, with Santorum out, they are representing the will of the majority people which is they don't want Romney in this state to represent the GOP. Your statement could be true of another state, but not MN, combine Ron Paul and Santorum votes and Mitt is crushed.

he could "win" every state...the republcians still would vote him out at the convention....remember even the most vile politicians had a few great ideas that the public loved...ron paul's "bad ideas" are too extreme to counter the good ones

I personally dont care how he does it so long as it gets done !

Second line

The shills are coming out the woodwork to earn some $ talking nonsense.

Just for once i would like to see a non RP supporter actually say who they support and why, funny how that never ever happens.

So lets see if any of them on this thread can tell us who they support and why?

i won't hold my breath, they are just paid to talk nonsense

reply to post by jimmyx


I am assuming that is a hyperbole for the dirty tricks the GOP is playing this election cycle. Because if a floor vote unbinds all delegates first round and he did win every state, he would be the nominee and there is nothing they could do, short of causing a riot. I would hope that the Tampa police support Ron Paul, if such a thing develops.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Look, at this point I'm cheering for Ron Paul to win the nomination...that would kill the Republican party and cause so much chaos it would be awesome.

But I am just being reasonable and logical...Ron Paul still doesn't have a chance...he just won't ever get enough and Romney will most likely go over the amount he needs to win on the first vote.

They can spin all they want (media) but come November I will vote for Ron Paul or write him in. either way.
I think you will be surprised all the RP supporters that vote for him that are silent now. I don't hear anyone on the street who likes Obama or Romney, and where I live is predominantly Dem.

reply to post by NightGypsy


Thank you.... although I have to say my 1st CD (CD1 in MN) convention was extremely grueling. We started at 8:30 A.M. and ended at 2:00 A.M. Sunday morning (because the venue was closing; it could of gone longer. We have 282 county delegates in our CD. There is an epic battle for our Congressional seat (currently held by a complete tool named Tim Walz - DFL) between Mike Parry and Allen Quist. Our rules state that for someone to be endorsed they have to have 60% of the delegate vote. We went for 23 ballots and still ended up dead locked.

We are re-convening in a couple of weeks to "duke it out" again; should be intersting. Pretty fun over all; kind of like sitting inside a movie or a play ;-)

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Even if that is true, if you have 750 GOP delegates against you at convention what does that do ?
It is the kiss of death for the general election.
That's why Obama will win re-election if the GOP puts up Mitt.

Romney doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.