Who are the Fascists?

reply to post by neo96


Who's "providing your point"?

Since when is "Liberal" a "race"?

And on and on...

People wouldn't talk down to you if you remembered the old adage: "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

reply to post by LDragonFire

Fascism and communism are both the same. fascism is national socialism and communism is just socialism. I also would like to know why the left/ right crap still appears when there is no left/ right anything. The range of things go from slavery to anarchy. What the founding fathers gave us with our constitutional republic is a step up from democracy which in itself is a step up from anarchy.And to come full circle, anarchy is just a step away from slavery.

Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

Obama's a dictator now

If Obama were a dictator, why didn't he impose universal healthcare like he wanted to?

1.Removing local police presence from communities and replacing them with a federally-paid (that’s US taxpayer-paid) Obama-controlled National Police force. It is starting—in earnest—in Detroit

2.Obama is stepping up his issuance of illegal Executive Orders, INCLUDING the Dream Act that was voted down by Congress and opposed by a majority of the American people. Nevertheless, in June 2011, Obama issued an Executive fiat to ‘create’ it. Congress did nothing and still does nothing today

4.The Obama/Holder “Operation Gunwalker: Fast & Furious” was and is directly attributable to Dictator-in-Chief Obama. Since shortly after the C-span2 video was published in 2009, in my columns I have referred to Deputy Attorney General Ogden’s statement on said video that he was “directed” by “the president” to “take action” against the drug cartels. This action began as “Operation Gunrunner” and its name was changed to the infamous one we know today. However, the operation was never planned to fight against the drug cartels. Instead, it was developed as a means to fight WITH the cartels against the US citizenry. The operation was affected (and don’t forget “directed“) by Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder to do one thing: Remove legally-owned guns from US citizen under the Obama-manipulated premise that guns were being illegally sold to the drug cartels by Americans.

Final Implementation of Obama Dictatorship in Progress on all levels

It took Hitler some time also........

Originally posted by L00kingGlass

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

You sir, or mam are very wrong. Fascism is a LEFTWING ideology.

Wow lol... No it is not. Yikes!

yes it IS an extreme liberal left wing agenda !!

Fascism is far right wing/authoritarianism. The left wing equivalent is communism/authoritarianism.

Authoritarianism is the key.

Edit: I agree that there's an agenda, however calling fascism extreme left wing is absurd and misinformed.

Someone posted this earlier, good example:

edit on 22-4-2012 by L00kingGlass because: (no reason given)

I disagree with the diagram.

It is not accurate.

Fascism and Communism belong in the upper left quadrant...

All the way over and in between social democracy and anarchism.

Originally posted by sonnny1
Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power. ~ Benito Mussolini

This is the best and most useful definition of fascism. It cuts to the heart of what is potent about fascism, what is powerful about fascism, how fascism derives its resistance to extermination. Dealing with fascism is difficult and confusing unless one understands the root and essence of its power.

Most people confuse fascism with totalitarianism. This is a big mistake. It is a big mistake that fascists are delighted to see people making. This confusion is responsible for much evil in the United States and really everywhere in the industrialized world at this time.

As long as there are corporations there will be a tendancy for the emergence of fascism: the emergence of the intrusion of corporate interests, to the detriment of broader humane interests, into the affairs of individuals and society.

The modern industrial state needs corporations but the state should be regarded as a sort of garden with numerous flowers and plants flourishing, not one where the tendrils of a choking weed spring up everywhere, dominating and absorbing the terrain and nutrients of the garden and leaving nothing for the majority of the other plants, causing them to wither into extinction.

The OP raises a very important question.

People are laughed at and ridiculed for invoking the name of Adolf Hitler in discussions about tendancies in modern society. There is a reason why certain elements in the media do not like to hear that name in arguments and illustrations of social issues. How can elements of society villify and demonize a leader like Hitler, while at the same time adopting aspects of his policies?

The way they can do it is by spreading the notion that fascism is totalitarianism of a particularly brutal and obvious sort, while concealing the true essence of fascism, the essence that leads to all the good and bad that fascism can produce and, inevitably, as we have seen in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy or Corporate America, does produce.

That predatory essence is the unification/combination of state and corporate power.

Seriously it was a metaphor after all

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

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reply to post by xuenchen


I don't like that interpenetration of left and right either.

All it does is cater for the appropriation of terms by the right in America.

The left is anti-authority, anarchism being the extreme, the right is pro-authority, fascism being the extreme. Libertarianism is a left-wing term meaning the same as anarchism, so that should be on the far left.

Unfortunately, in the United States the term “libertarian” has become, since the 1970s, associated with the right-wing, i.e., supporters of “free-market” capitalism. That defenders of the hierarchy associated with private property seek to associate the term “libertarian” for their authoritarian system is both unfortunate and somewhat unbelievable to any genuine libertarian. Equally unfortunately, thanks to the power of money and the relative small size of the anarchist movement in America, this appropriation of the term has become, to a large extent, the default meaning there. Somewhat ironically, this results in some right-wing “libertarians” complaining that we genuine libertarians have “stolen” their name in order to associate our socialist ideas with it!

anarchism.pageabode.com...

The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...

Here is Chomsky on it...

reply to post by ipsedixit

The way they can do it is by spreading the notion that fascism is totalitarianism of a particularly brutal and obvious sort, while concealing the true essence of fascism, the essence that leads to all the good and bad that fascism can produce and, inevitably, as we have seen in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy or Corporate America, does produce.

That predatory essence is the unification/combination of state and corporate power.

your definition and explination is acurite
i second this quote portion

star for correctly stating the problem

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reply to post by links234
Definitely agree and even with some of what Neo said, as partisan as he is sometimes. Hard to argue that Obama isn't a facist (maybe if you're arguing that he's spineless).

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by ANOK

 

Actually fascism supports Darwinism, survival of the fittest. This causes racism, because some races are considered inferior.

Pretty fascist when a woman pops a pill or aborts a fetus after all it is "survival of the fittest" and then write laws to support that belief.

Eugenics by any other name

So it's facism when a woman makes decisions with own body, but not facism when you want the government to decide what decision she can and can't make with her own body. It's also apparantly eugenics despite the fact that there's no actual reason to call it so. I guess we can add facism and eugenics to the list of words you clearly don't understand (I guess Obama controls the dictionaries now).

Originally posted by xuenchen


I disagree with the diagram.

It is not accurate.

Fascism and Communism belong in the upper left quadrant...

All the way over and in between social democracy and anarchism.

Because when I think left-leaning libertarian, I think fascism and communism. And when you think about it, facism and communism really are just lighter forms of anarchism. I can't tell if you're joking of if you're just incredibly ignorant.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Do you not understand that Hitler and Mussolini WERE BOTH SOCIALISTS?...

For crying out loud already... Hitler was not a socialist!!!! Socialism is Communism lite. Hitler along with his regime HATED communism and blamed the Reichstag fire on communists before they started rounding them up and killing them!!! The Communists were the first they killed before the Jewish people even.

They had used the word socialist in their party, however they were NOT socialist. NOT NOT NOT. I see this all the time on ATS, I'm starting to think it's willful ignorance. If I see someone repeat this again my brain is going to explode in a bazillion pieces.

Eugenics:

the study of methods of improving the quality of the human race by selective breeding.

Abortion is a method of improving the quality of life of the host and chooses to have or not have or when to have it.

Same as the pill.

a authoritarian means of control over someone else in other words fascist.

Originally posted by neo96
Eugenics:

the study of methods of improving the quality of the human race by selective breeding.

Abortion is a method of improving the quality of life of the host and chooses to have or not have or when to have it.

Same as the pill.

a authoritarian means of control over someone else in other words fascist.

Except people taking pills and using birth control aren't being selected to do so by the elite, they are doing so by free will. Holy baloney lol! I'm starting to think Neo is a crafty troll who likes to incite people with his special brand of nonsense.

reply to post by L00kingGlass


They do so by brainwashing and propaganda.

True to form when liberals can't argue poltical points they revert to the tried and true demagaguery.

Trolls
disinfo agent

Blah blah blah.

reply to post by neo96

They do so by brainwashing and propaganda.

No they don't! LOL..... What brainwashing and propaganda? Please explain this, I'm curious.

reply to post by neo96


Sorry, I'm not a Liberal. Nice try though!

Originally posted by neo96
Eugenics:

the study of methods of improving the quality of the human race by selective breeding.

Abortion is a method of improving the quality of life of the host and chooses to have or not have or when to have it.

Same as the pill.

a authoritarian means of control over someone else in other words fascist.

Call me crazy (which in your case would be blatant projection), but wouldn't controlling what a person does with their own bodies be considered fascist (or are women not people to you)? Also, is it really eugenics when no one is being forced to do so by the government? Seriously, your post makes no sense whatsoever, which I can't help but feel I'm going to say a lot if this arugment continues any longer.

Liberals in America act like facist morons all the time as if they automatically are correct over top everyone else and everyone else is dumb but them.Same thing NAZIS would do to people.Happens when you love government over mankind and God and love your leader more than God and mankind.
Same thing that North Korea does.

reply to post by technical difficulties


Who said i want to control it?

No where in this thread there is such a thing as being able to disagree with something without there being a freaking law written.