Firemen Explosion Testimony

Originally posted by maxella1

Stop making assumptions, and actually go back and read my posts. I am here to find out how are YOU so SURE about what happened on 9/11?

Okay, I'll help you. I'm almost certain nobody died in Building Seven because

- the only evidence that anybody did is Jennings saying he saw bodies
- and he later admitted that he didn't
- there is a ton of other evidence that suggests that he was right when he said there were no dead people

Because I have no idea what actually happened, and neither do you, so stop lying to yourself..

Well I'm afraid you're wrong. Because I don't have a bias here I'm weighing up the evidence in a balanced manner. And I'm sure to the point of practical certainty that nobody was killed there. If you want to know why, refer to the first part of this post. And try to explain to yourself why you're so unsure. Because I really can't see why.

Why are you pretending to know what NO ONE KNOWS ? Barry Jennings only knew what he was talking about when he said “ It felt like I was stepping over PEOPLE”, but Barry Jennings is unfortunately dead, so you CAN'T call him and ask !

You're just repeating the question. So I'll repeat my answer.

I'm almost certain nobody died in Building Seven because

- the only evidence that anybody did is Jennings saying he saw bodies
- and he later admitted that he didn't
- there is a ton of other evidence that suggests that he was right when he said there were no dead people

Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by TrickoftheShade

 

You just want to be able to keep this in the Truther column marked "stuff that is kinda weird/doesn't add up about 9/11".

I know that this post will probable get flaged as off topic... but I just can't help it..

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Sorry

I'll take that as a compliment.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by maxella1

Stop making assumptions, and actually go back and read my posts. I am here to find out how are YOU so SURE about what happened on 9/11?

Okay, I'll help you. I'm almost certain nobody died in Building Seven because

- the only evidence that anybody did is Jennings saying he saw bodies
- and he later admitted that he didn't
- there is a ton of other evidence that suggests that he was right when he said there were no dead people

Because I have no idea what actually happened, and neither do you, so stop lying to yourself..

Well I'm afraid you're wrong. Because I don't have a bias here I'm weighing up the evidence in a balanced manner. And I'm sure to the point of practical certainty that nobody was killed there. If you want to know why, refer to the first part of this post. And try to explain to yourself why you're so unsure. Because I really can't see why.

Why are you pretending to know what NO ONE KNOWS ? Barry Jennings only knew what he was talking about when he said “ It felt like I was stepping over PEOPLE”, but Barry Jennings is unfortunately dead, so you CAN'T call him and ask !

You're just repeating the question. So I'll repeat my answer.

I'm almost certain nobody died in Building Seven because

- the only evidence that anybody did is Jennings saying he saw bodies
- and he later admitted that he didn't
- there is a ton of other evidence that suggests that he was right when he said there were no dead people

Here you go again....
Barry Jennings said he felt like he was stepping over PEOPLE, not bodies... and he never retracted that statement... in his retraction he stated that “it felt like I was stepping over PEOPLE, I didn't see them”..
So what does that mean? I don't know what it feels like to step over people, but let me ask Mr. Jennings... ahh that is not possible... is it ?

Now will you please stop LYING that I say there were bodies in WTC 7 ?

I do not know if there were bodies in WTC 7... But if it makes you feel better thinking that there were no bodies in WTC 7... it's totally cool with me. Just stop lying, OK ?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by TrickoftheShade

 

You just want to be able to keep this in the Truther column marked "stuff that is kinda weird/doesn't add up about 9/11".

I know that this post will probable get flaged as off topic... but I just can't help it..

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Sorry

I'll take that as a compliment.

You welcome!
See this could be fun!

reply to post by maxella1


I posted this video on page 1 mainly because it contains Barry Jennings' retraction but it also contains footage from 0.32 of the WTC 7 lobby that morning after evacuation and after the building has been hit by falling debris from the North Tower :-

www.youtube.com...

It is plain that there are no bodies in the Lobby so do you think some may have appeared later ? If so, whose and where from ?

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by maxella1

 

I posted this video on page 1 mainly because it contains Barry Jennings' retraction but it also contains footage from 0.32 of the WTC 7 lobby that morning after evacuation and after the building has been hit by falling debris from the North Tower :-

www.youtube.com...

It is plain that there are no bodies in the Lobby so do you think some may have appeared later ? If so, whose and where from ?

I don't see any objects in this video that they may have been stepping over at all. I hear a guy say that he thinks there Are no one left in the building. I hear Barry Jenning say that he felt like he was stepping over people, but never saw them.

I think The size of that lobby is much larger than what they show in this video, and it is still unclear what Barry Jennings had to step over that to him felt like people.

So the answer to your question is, no I don't think bodies "appeared" in the section of the lobby that I see in this video, but i personally need to see the entire lobby to be able to say that there are no bodies. And since Barry Jennings didn't retract that he was stepping over something that felt like people, I will never be sure that there were no bodies.
In order to rule out any victims in a search and rescue you need to check and clear the entire building in any investigation. Do you disagree ?

reply to post by maxella1

In order to rule out any victims in a search and rescue you need to check and clear the entire building in any investigation. Do you disagree ?

The building was searched by the FDNY - it is standard procedure to check buildings to insure nobody was left
inside

One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear. In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors: 6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.

Or testimony from FDNY Capt Anthony Varriale

At that time, other firefighters started
showing up, Deputy Battalion Chief Paul Ferran of the
41 Battalion, and James Savastano of the First Division
assigned to the Second Battalion showed up and we
attempted to search and extinguish, at the time which
was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We
were unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because
we were entering from the northeast entrance. We
weren't aware of the magnitude of the damage in the
front of the building.
We made searches. We attempted to put some
of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem. I
forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at
the scene and thought that the building was too
dangerous to continue with operations, so we evacuated
number 7 World Trade Center.

No bodies......

Is that clear......?

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by maxella1

 

In order to rule out any victims in a search and rescue you need to check and clear the entire building in any investigation. Do you disagree ?

The building was searched by the FDNY - it is standard procedure to check buildings to insure nobody was left
inside

One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear. In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors: 6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.

Or testimony from FDNY Capt Anthony Varriale

At that time, other firefighters started
showing up, Deputy Battalion Chief Paul Ferran of the
41 Battalion, and James Savastano of the First Division
assigned to the Second Battalion showed up and we
attempted to search and extinguish, at the time which
was small pockets of fire in 7 World Trade Center. We
were unaware of the damage in the front of 7, because
we were entering from the northeast entrance. We
weren't aware of the magnitude of the damage in the
front of the building.
We made searches. We attempted to put some
of the fire out, but we had a pressure problem. I
forget the name of the Deputy. Some Deputy arrived at
the scene and thought that the building was too
dangerous to continue with operations, so we evacuated
number 7 World Trade Center.

No bodies......

Is that clear......?

Yes it's clear that they didn't find any bodies.

But how could they be unaware of the magnitude of the damage in the front of the building? That's what caused all four sides of the building to drop! it should be noticeable, don't you think?
You see that is the problem for me... It has to be one or the other;
They checked and cleared the whole building found no bodies and no damage of that magnitude, then why did the building collaps? or they searched the building and found the damage and no bodies.

Ok no bodies I'm with you on this one... But what happened to the building after they cleared it? Or did they not check the entire building?

This is what I'm talking about , you find answer to one question, but then it creates another question.. That's why the OS doesn't add up.

reply to post by maxella1

But what happened to the building after they cleared it? Or did they not check the entire building?

The civilians were gone from the building long before the fires. You want a large area cleared of people when you have glass and debris falling from 110 stories. So the only people to evacuate were police and fire personnel.

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by maxella1

 

But what happened to the building after they cleared it? Or did they not check the entire building?

The civilians were gone from the building long before the fires. You want a large area cleared of people when you have glass and debris falling from 110 stories. So the only people to evacuate were police and fire personnel.

Oh now I get it !
But what Barry Jennings was stepping over ?

reply to post by maxella1

They checked and cleared the whole building found no bodies and no damage of that magnitude, then why did the building collaps?

This is what I'm talking about , you find answer to one question, but then it creates another question.. That's why the OS doesn't add up.

You realize, of course, that there's this huge, very detailed report that explains all that - right?

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by maxella1

 

They checked and cleared the whole building found no bodies and no damage of that magnitude, then why did the building collaps?

This is what I'm talking about , you find answer to one question, but then it creates another question.. That's why the OS doesn't add up.

You realize, of course, that there's this huge, very detailed report that explains all that - right?

Can you direct me to that huge, very detailed report that explains what mr. Jennings was stepping over? I will appreciate it very much. Thanks!

reply to post by maxella1

Can you direct me to that huge, very detailed report that explains what mr. Jennings was stepping over? I will appreciate it very much. Thanks

You asked "then why did the building collapse"?

Huge report:

www.nist.gov...

Originally posted by maxella1

Barry Jennings said he felt like he was stepping over PEOPLE, not bodies... and he never retracted that statement... in his retraction he stated that “it felt like I was stepping over PEOPLE, I didn't see them”..
So what does that mean? I don't know what it feels like to step over people, but let me ask Mr. Jennings... ahh that is not possible... is it ?

Now will you please stop LYING that I say there were bodies in WTC 7 ?

I do not know if there were bodies in WTC 7... But if it makes you feel better thinking that there were no bodies in WTC 7... it's totally cool with me. Just stop lying, OK ?

I'm not lying. I'm saying that your position - which as far as I can see is to pretend that there are reasonable grounds for thinking that there may have been dead bodies at WTC7 - is untenable. I've explained why I think this and I don't see you giving me a satisfactory answer for why I'm wrong.

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by Fluffaluffagous
Also, let's not forget probably the most heinous aspect of 9/11 "truthers" quoting fireman testimony.

Many of them were describing what the jumpers bodies sounded like when they hit the street.

I believe that Griffin compiled this list as a way to make a point. I believe he pulled something like 120 odd statements and implied that they all meant explosions. And "truthers" believed it.

Disgusting.

I this video they are not talking about fallen bodies.

Disgusting. Indeed

Maybe so, but I am not going to go through each claim again and refute them. It's been done before and it is proven that no firemen SAW any explosive devices.

It is also proven that any explosive device that could have cut any columns would be undeniable. The noise levels would have been extreme, on the order of 130-140dB at 1/4 mile. This is irrefutable. And if it happened, it also would have been the smoking gun for 9/11 deniers. There is no evidence of this on any audio recording. But 9/11 deniers BELIEVE that there must have been explosive demolition, therefore they will quotemine any statement to make it look like they have a point.

9/11 deniers do not have a point. No evidence. Nothing.

And yes, it is disgusting indeed that 9/11 deniers will believe what Griffin (?) quotemined cuz it's what they wanted to hear....

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by maxella1

 

Can you direct me to that huge, very detailed report that explains what mr. Jennings was stepping over? I will appreciate it very much. Thanks

You asked "then why did the building collapse"?

Huge report:

www.nist.gov...

Yes this is a huge report that doesn't explain what Barry Jennings could have been stepping over and why to him it felt like it was people.
Thank you for the link.

reply to post by maxella1

Yes this is a huge report that doesn't explain what Barry Jennings could have been stepping over and why to him it felt like it was people.
Thank you for the link.

No, it answers the question that you asked "why did the building collapse"? Now you know why the building collapsed. Who says Barry Jennings was stepping over anything? He didn't see anything and admits it only "felt" like he was stepping over something. Doesn't mean anything was actually there.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by maxella1

Barry Jennings said he felt like he was stepping over PEOPLE, not bodies... and he never retracted that statement... in his retraction he stated that “it felt like I was stepping over PEOPLE, I didn't see them”..
So what does that mean? I don't know what it feels like to step over people, but let me ask Mr. Jennings... ahh that is not possible... is it ?

Now will you please stop LYING that I say there were bodies in WTC 7 ?

I do not know if there were bodies in WTC 7... But if it makes you feel better thinking that there were no bodies in WTC 7... it's totally cool with me. Just stop lying, OK ?

I'm not lying. I'm saying that your position - which as far as I can see is to pretend that there are reasonable grounds for thinking that there may have been dead bodies at WTC7 - is untenable. I've explained why I think this and I don't see you giving me a satisfactory answer for why I'm wrong.

edit on 23-4-2012 by TrickoftheShade because: (no reason given)

Ok then let me state my position again...

I don't know what happened to Barry Jennings in WTC 7. I have been reading you and others on this forum for over a year trying to prove to others that the OS is the only possible hypothesis. But i have questions which are explained by you with a bunch a speculations, and assumptions. You seem to know exactly what the witnesses meant by secondary explosions, stepping over people, etc. So i started posting my questions, and instead of finding answers I found name calling from you. So my position is not what you say it is, it is simply that just like I will never know what Barry Jennings was stepping over, you will probably also will never know. So stop pretending like it is impossible that what Barry Jenning was stepping over are in fact bodies. As recent as last year remains were found on rooftops of buildings around ground zero.

Originally posted by Fluffaluffagous

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by Fluffaluffagous
Also, let's not forget probably the most heinous aspect of 9/11 "truthers" quoting fireman testimony.

Many of them were describing what the jumpers bodies sounded like when they hit the street.

I believe that Griffin compiled this list as a way to make a point. I believe he pulled something like 120 odd statements and implied that they all meant explosions. And "truthers" believed it.

Disgusting.

I this video they are not talking about fallen bodies.

Disgusting. Indeed

Maybe so, but I am not going to go through each claim again and refute them. It's been done before and it is proven that no firemen SAW any explosive devices.

It is also proven that any explosive device that could have cut any columns would be undeniable. The noise levels would have been extreme, on the order of 130-140dB at 1/4 mile. This is irrefutable. And if it happened, it also would have been the smoking gun for 9/11 deniers. There is no evidence of this on any audio recording. But 9/11 deniers BELIEVE that there must have been explosive demolition, therefore they will quotemine any statement to make it look like they have a point.

9/11 deniers do not have a point. No evidence. Nothing.

And yes, it is disgusting indeed that 9/11 deniers will believe what Griffin (?) quotemined cuz it's what they wanted to hear....

So why are you wasting your time posting ??

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by maxella1

 

Yes this is a huge report that doesn't explain what Barry Jennings could have been stepping over and why to him it felt like it was people.
Thank you for the link.

No, it answers the question that you asked "why did the building collapse"? Now you know why the building collapsed. Who says Barry Jennings was stepping over anything? He didn't see anything and admits it only "felt" like he was stepping over something. Doesn't mean anything was actually there.

No Barry Jennings admits it felt like he was stepping over PEOPLE, not something !