SECRET SPACE WAR - Which side are TPTB on? Which ALIENS do 'Star Wars' Satellites Target?

reply to post by Getsmart

I really cannot say my surprise at such ill will towards a thread topic or towards an intelligent member contributing a stream of valid authoritative information. In case you also didn't bother to click on the source linked to by ATS member Someotherguy, it was the following:

No, it was the following:

NSA Document Admits ET Contact


Utter rubbish. As an Intelligence Officer, you are undoubtedly familiar with the legendary Lambros D. Callimahos, and his creative cryptographic brain teasers. Here is a valid link to the exercise that has been spun by UFO bloggers:

www.nsa.gov...

Here is the thread on ATS discussing it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You will note that it was correctly assigned to the [HOAX] bin.

reply to post by Getsmart

Saying that his beliefs are entirely founded on having read Corso's "The Day After Roswell" is a foolhardy assumption, because he alone can know upon which he founds his beliefs.

No, because he actually says so in the interview. Did you watch it?

Theres SOMETHING/SOME RACE out there.. to think theres not is just ridiculous

reply to post by OurSecretHouseCLUB33


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reply to post by OMNISLASHER


So what if aliens exist? How do we know there is a war in space?

Originally posted by DJW001

So what if aliens exist? How do we know there is a war in space?

Clearly you will only be happy once we have all surrendered our minds and been coached to repeat after you "There is no war in space, there is no war in space, there is no war in space". You have absolutely no evidence to support your argument that there is not a war in space. There is in fact quite a history of conflicts and fatal incidents with UFOs which brought down military aircraft and possibly even ships and submarines. And NO, I will not spend hours of my precious time arguing these last two statements with you, they were simply used in example of the fact that there have been quite a few unexplained military losses which can very well pertain to Alien interference in our airspace and in international waters. That would be the topic of another thread, and I will let others here take on the task of debating that with cynics with a zeal for splitting hairs and pulling teeth. Which can lead any among us to ask ourselves another question: What is your purpose?
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Originally posted by ThisToiletEarth

What is your goal? How is it measured and at what point to you get on with your own life?

Where do you see yourself in 5 years?

Do you have trouble being intimate?

I think a detailed outline of your objective here would be courteous.

SOURCE: Link in Aerial Phenomena Research Thread


Apparently we are not alone to marvel at your broad quest to systematically debunk every theory you disapprove of, without anyone being able to grasp what it is you're after and what your aim is in so doing? Please enlighten us, many ATS members would like to better situate your most unusual quest in its proper perspective.


Getsmart

Here is an interesting except from the briefing of Ronald Reagan which took place in the early 1980's.

PRESIDENT: Just answer the simple question of how many different species, don't go into details, since I'm sure it is at "a different level," as I've been hearing ALL morning.


ADVISER #1: Mr President, that is a very difficult question to answer. There are many parameters that we follow to evaluate the threat. However, we have little intelligence on four (4) of the five (5). We have plenty of intel on the Ebens ... gee ... they've given us everything we asked for! They have also helped us to understand the other four (4) species. I'm afraid to say, Mr President and please don't misunderstand my words, but we think ONE OF THE SPECIES IS VERY HOSTILE.

SOURCE: Ronald Reagan Briefing on March 6 and 8, 1981


Just as in any other investigation of Highly Classified Above Top Secret casework and national security matters, we must construct an intelligent analysis based upon an array of potential evidence, some of which can be verified and some of which cannot be. This is the nature of official intelligence agency groundwork, and as private citizens committed to better understand the complex world in which we live, and given the considerable amount of raw data and variably organized information structures given to us in free access, we have to make sense of what is not otherwise clear or formally presented as factual.


Taking the hypothesis that this transcript is a genuine leaked transcript of a meeting between United States President Ronald Reagan and William Casey, along with a number of Presidential Advisors as well as a person called the Caretaker, entrusted with knowledge about the UFO and Alien phenomena, we must by all means take that last statement as extremely pertinent to the subject of this thread. It would imply that there is a HOSTILE RELATIONSHIP established unilaterally against Humanity by one Alien Species, which can readily be registered in the minds of a Military Command as tantamount to an ACT OF WAR.


And while their identification as one of the five Alien species known to the US Government at that time does not automatically imply that they have access to Outer Space, the likelihood of their Extraterrestrial origins as well as the great amount of UFO sightings by civilian and military personnel, lends credence to the probability that this HOSTILE ALIEN SPECIES OPERATES IN THE EARTH'S OUTER SPACE.


If we continue in this analysis, we will note that this briefing happens to coincide with the launching of the SPACE DEFENSE INITIATIVE which, although it was widely publicized under a cover story of having been designed and funded as a Cold War effort against the Soviet Union, happened to immediately precede the end of the Soviet Union which was possibly even our ally in this initiative. This is where we must again analyse Ronald Reagan's speeches, talking of how a common enemy from another world would make our earthly differences seem trivial and unite us as one people, namely Humanity?


GS

i thought that the briefing document of Reagan originated from SERPO a known HOAX

www.realityuncovered.net...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Getsmart

You have absolutely no evidence to support your argument that there is not a war in space.

I never said there is no war in space. You, on the other hand, have asserted there is. Where is your evidence?

reply to post by Getsmart

Just as in any other investigation of Highly Classified Above Top Secret casework and national security matters, we must construct an intelligent analysis based upon an array of potential evidence, some of which can be verified and some of which cannot be.

As a trained intelligence agent, how do you go about grading the reliability of a source?

Originally posted by DJW001

As a trained intelligence agent, how do you go about grading the reliability of a source?

Another one line non contribution that brings strictly nothing to this thread's discussion topic. Did you not read ATS guidelines for posting? Or are you too lazy to type, much less do your own research? If you want that information, get trained in an agency or find a way of enrolling in the State Department courses at Georgetown. Actually, please go out and get yourself any form of education: I am not here to educate DJW001, who tends to increasingly present him/herself as educationally challenged.


GS

reply to post by Getsmart

Another one line non contribution that brings strictly nothing to this thread's discussion topic. Did you not read ATS guidelines for posting? Or are you too lazy to type, much less do your own research? If you want that information, get trained in an agency or find a way of enrolling in the State Department courses at Georgetown. Actually, please go out and get yourself any form of education: I am not here to educate DJW001, who tends to increasingly present him/herself as educationally challenged.

Instead of answering a simple question that would allow me to determine your bona fides, you have once again chosen to derail your own thread with a personal attack. Discipline is vital when dealing with intelligence. You cannot allow yourself to be sidetracked.

Originally posted by IMSAM
i thought that the briefing document of Reagan originated from SERPO a known HOAX

IMSAM,


Each of us is free to grant any measure of credibility we choose to any source we deem fit. Intelligence for stupid people has to be formatted in a readily consumable form with nothing which gets stuck in their throat. That's why one of the main ways that intelligence agencies use to leak secret information (yes, they can seek, protect or leak intelligence contingent of their best interest in so doing) is by mixing gold nuggets of vital data inside a sun-baked golden sheep dung of useless information. That was a metaphor, in case you are one of those who cannot digest mental imagery and take everything literally.


I happen to have found information in that source which I have vetted using my own methodology, which I have no duty to report on given that it serves my sole purpose of arriving at my own personal analysis of where the truth lies. I am not here to convince others of anything, but merely in the hopes of eliciting whistleblowers to manifest themselves here anonymously and give at least a few juicy tidbits about which Alien Species we might be at war with and possibly also which other Aliens we might be partially or more fully Allied with in a SECRET SPACE WAR. I really couldn't care less what others believe, they have every right to believe in Santa Claus or to even think that we live in a perfectly normal Disney world where everyone in honest and truthful and where all politicians serve the public good. It's your call. You can think I am a hoax, I can think you're a professional debunker, we might both be wrong, yet we each build our own beliefs - hopefully with a spark of insight.


GS

reply to post by Getsmart

I happen to have found information in that source which I have vetted using my own methodology, which I have no duty to report on given that it serves my sole purpose of arriving at my own personal analysis of where the truth lies.

In other words, you feel free to pick and choose based upon your own preconceived notions.

@getsmart

analyzing from false data leads to false results

do you believe SERPO as credible?yes or not?

Originally posted by DJW001

Instead of answering a simple question that would allow me to determine your bona fides, you have once again chosen to derail your own thread with a personal attack. Discipline is vital when dealing with intelligence. You cannot allow yourself to be sidetracked.

There was nothing of a personal attack in my post. I only noted that you are not contributing anything pertaining to the thread topic, instead systematically trying to discredit the OP and have the thread dumped into a hoax bin. You called upon me to educate you, I simply refused to do so. I have no duty to educate anyone, this is supposed to be a forum where people discuss ON TOPIC and bring their own contributions to the discussion. Moaning and groaning about the identity, profession or integrity of another ATS Member is not what this thread is about FYI.


This thread ASKS A QUESTION, and I would hope that some here would bring forth certain elements which can help to ANSWER THE QUESTION instead of calling into question the character and integrity of the OP. I have no duty to prove to you or to any one that I am bona fide. It is your responsibility to determine this for yourself. It is also for others here to do likewise, without you mounting a campaign to unduly influence their judgment unless you have an axe to grind? Pray tell what it is. I only seek ANSWERS TO A QUESTION, and obviously none of these will ever come from you. So in fact you have no place in this thread which can be understood.


In fact I am quite certain that there are many others, either ATS members or Internet surfers, who are reading this thread yet who do not post, given they haven't yet found something they deem useful to contribute. That is most honorable. If somebody asks you what time it is and you haven't any idea and have no watch, it makes sense to let somebody else reply, perhaps one wearing a watch? Telling the person asking that they have no right to ask such a question because they are not a Master Watchmaker, is similar to dissing me for not having credibility to ask a simple question. Nobody needs to prove their worth in order to ask a question. And nobody is forced to answer.


To illustrate my question further, I have brought forth elements of information which I deem useful, none here needs to agree with this and we also don't have to wind up in sterile debates splitting hairs on whether each element in and of itself is totally reliable. This doesn't mean that having valid reliable information is not of paramount importance, but it is better to not throw away the baby with the bath water, and to eliminate a promising avenue of investigation simply on the basis that one detail doesn't match up. That is a technique used by unethical defense attorneys who seek to get criminals removed with impunity for their crimes based upon a procedural technicality. That justice or truth is served is of no importance to them, they only seek victory in infamy. I find it very strange that certain people posting in Conspiracy Forums use a similar tactic, trying to whittle down those they choose as enemies, attacking small details, using character assassination and many other courtroom methods to win a case. Isn't it the truth we seek to determine, and not forcing an opinion down the public's throat?

Originally posted by IMSAM

analyzing from false data leads to false results

This is true only if your only ability to produce logical thought comes from logical positivist induction. It lends no place to deductive reasoning which you are clearly showing an inability to engage in. One can deduct very interesting factual information from erroneous data. This only means that the original data studies, whether true or false, serves a different function and is used as a source of inspiration to develop alternative insights, which can then later be verified as factual using empirical methodology.


It is not because I am able to think "out of the box" and you are not, that you have any right to question my intellectual integrity of ability to formulate valid ideas and even to bring light to the truth. Advanced theories do not come from simply counting beans. You might seek advice elsewhere on other ways of thinking and analyzing? Your "bean counting methodology" hasn't shown much success thus far in explaining what the UFO and Alien phenomena consist in.

Originally posted by IMSAM

do you believe SERPO as credible? yes or not?

I have already answered this earlier in this post in my reply to your colleague. Please refer to that and I hope it isn't too difficult to figure out. I find it dubious in motivation to try to plain and simply associate me with a single source to resume my ideas and thoughts as necessarily emanating from there or being in total compliance with it? Are are you seeking to associate me with something you deem a hoax? I only asked a question, is it a question which you cannot tolerate, and if so why?


You won't get a simple YES or NO answer, because a source can state something undeniably true, such as the fact that life does indeed exists, yet also state something that we know to be false, such as that death does not exist. Is that source a hoax, or, come to think of it, death cannot exist given that it represents the very end of existence - thus no longer existing cannot actually exist? Please answer that one.


Getsmart

reply to post by Getsmart

I have no duty to educate anyone, this is supposed to be a forum where people discuss ON TOPIC and bring their own contributions to the discussion.

I agree. So why can't you seem to focus? Unity99 has given you all sorts of vital intelligence on vibratory levels, but you ignore them completely. It has resulted in a complete lack of communication between you. Unity99 doesn't even post on this thread any more. On the other hand, a one liner that is easily ignored results in a lengthy off topic diatribe from you. Stop trying to impress people with credentials you obviously don't have, learn to separate the wheat from the chaff... and stay focused.

Originally posted by DJW001

So what if aliens exist? How do we know there is a war in space?

Originally posted by Getsmart
Clearly you will only be happy once we have all surrendered our minds and been coached to repeat after you "There is no war in space, there is no war in space, there is no war in space". You have absolutely no evidence to support your argument that there is not a war in space.

It might be more accurately said "But you can't prove conclusively, beyond all possible doubt, that there is not a space war above/in/below the earth." This is undeniably true.

Ultimately, the credibility of the one arguing will often be the tipping point to whether or not such a statement is believed.

Btw, the length of post does not increase credibility, fyi.

Originally posted by Getsmart
Your "bean counting methodology"

Whos methodology?Surely not mine and if you imply anything about this forums way of working that's entirely your opinion

and try to be succinct i don't read posts that long unless there's something interesting in them

In any case I am certainly not posting for the benefit of anyone condescending, rude or overbearing. Accordingly, I don't offer to chew anyone's food for thought - it is up to each to exercise mental concentration or go elsewhere where short blurts might better match their attention span. Thus whoever has a chip on their shoulder and complains about being dissatisfied with this thread, its topic or its OP, will not be missed at all, certainly not by anyone genuinely interested in this topic or in congenial exchanges of ideas and friendly conversation.


For others here who might actually be interested in this topic, here is another extract of the above mentioned report.

WM CASEY: Mr President, we have intelligence that would indicate this one (1) species of aliens have ABDUCTED PEOPLE FROM EARTH. They have performed scientific and medical tests on these humans. To the best of our knowledge, NO humans have been killed. But, as ADVISER #1 stated, the intelligence is from witnesses and we haven't thoroughly evaluated this intelligence.

We have captured one of these hostile aliens. This gets into some very, very sensitive areas, Mr President. I strongly suggest we end this discussion and move on to any further questions you might have and then get back to this. I don't think we are prepared to provide you with accurate answers to your questions about the potentially hostile aliens at this time.

PRESIDENT: OK, but expect this to be given to me as soon as possible. I want to KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE HOSTILE CREATURES so I ... or I mean we should start forming policies on how to deal with them. Adviser #1, do we have OPERATIONAL WAR PLANS on this?

ADVISER #1: Yes, Mr President, we have war plans on ALL potential threats to our country.

PRESIDENT: Please, let us not forget the world. If these creatures attack some other country, we would have to help.

Many other things make me believe that there is a strong possibility that there is direct Alien Intervention in Human Affairs of Government - for example the instance of the Secret Government. Yet there will no doubt be more naysayers who shall holler "provide bullet-proof evidence that a Secret Government exists... or SHUT UP!" just as if ATS had its own special crew of Fox News commentators missioned with censoring our opinions and preventing the conveyance of alternative ideas? Interestingly this happens whenever our ideas might bother TPTB.


Getsmart