N. Korea: We are no longer bound by nuclear test moratorium

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by libertytoall

 

Exactly. We all live in the Imperial Empire. We are all just trying to do our best under America's iron heel.

Ok, then I suggest one of you guys try go to NK for a holiday, if you managed to get in you'd probably get shot as a spy when they caught you.

I get the anti-American-Imperialist sentiment, yeah we all know that stuff, but if you think that the 'leaders' of NK give a flyin' f**k about 'their nations prosperity' aka the people of their nation, then you are either trolling or just being dumb for the sake of it.

You obviously saw the videos of thousands of people hysterically crying in public at the death of kim-whatever-the-hell-his-name-was? Do you think those people were acting normally? Did those scenes raise any questions in your mind?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


To so easily condemn an entire nation to starvation for the acts and political ideology of a rogue state under the thumb of one man.........WOW.....Hitler sure could have used a large number of people like you. How do you spell ignorance again?

Originally posted by ThoughtIsMadness
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

To so easily condemn an entire nation to starvation for the acts and political ideology of a rogue state under the thumb of one man.........WOW.....Hitler sure could have used a large number of people like you. How do you spell ignorance again?

North Korea condemned its own people...........its the reason that its people are in the state they are.....

People say the US needs to stay out, but then when we pull out people cry foul.........which is it?

What do you want?

Granted im not happy with the terms, that we only will help them on terms .......however.......

The NK gov agreed to this..........

if they cared about their people at all they wouldnt be in this situation to begin with......even more so making a decision they know condemns many to death by starvation......

This isnt a problem because of other countries...........the situation arose because of NK's gov.....

Sounds like the US is damned if they do and damned if they dont

reply to post by CALGARIAN

They would start a WW3?
Highly unlike

If you haven't notice NK hasn't any nations as of yet expect the Korean war.

However since the Korean war America has been exchanged in a lot of conflicts America shouldn't be in.

Lets not the way they have forgotten about the people of Rwanda ah i see they dont count right? or the revolution in Bahrain?

Why is America backing the King of Bahrain? thats simple thats because of Saudi Arabia.

Kim Jong-Il was crazy, but relatively predictable in my opinion. After so many years of observance and due to the fact that he was still mostly under the thumb of his father Kim Il-sung until his death in '94, there was really no surprise to many of things he did right up until his own death.

I've never given North Korea much serious thought in terms of being a significant threat to world peace in general, but this Kim Jong-un has me truly worried and has caused me to gradually change that opinion since he came to power. He's either seriously hardline or dangerously unstable, and each story that comes out paints a more disturbing image of this still unknown young ruler.

Given the recent political rumblings within China in the past few weeks, I'm quite curious as to how they view this new emerging DPRK. Maybe it might soon be time to open a dialogue with them about their "spoiled child".

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Wrong,no,no.We still have to care as we always have for the North Korean people.We send our undying care to them in the form of a surgical decapitation strike.Then help Korea build itself into a viable nation.

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
Ok, then I suggest one of you guys try go to NK for a holiday, if you managed to get in you'd probably get shot as a spy when they caught you.

Off topic, but they do allow a limited number of tourists in every year. You can go to Pyongyang and see the sights, but I would imagine it is very stage managed...

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
Ok, then I suggest one of you guys try go to NK for a holiday, if you managed to get in you'd probably get shot as a spy when they caught you.

Off topic, but they do allow a limited number of tourists in every year. You can go to Pyongyang and see the sights, but I would imagine it is very stage managed...

I stand corrected.

Here's what China did to us.

Just to add a little more info to the original post.

"We have thus become able to take necessary retaliatory measures, free from the agreement," the ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency. "The U.S. will be held wholly accountable for all the ensuing consequences." "Peace is very dear for us but the dignity of the nation and the sovereignty of the country are dearer for us," the statement said, without specifying what countermeasures North Korea might take.

USA today

Seems very much to be based on national pride.

reply to post by TheMindWar


Possible U.S. Strike On North Korea



Links -

U.S. Strike On North Korea Possible If Nuclear Test Held
world.kbs.co.kr...

North Korea Bans UN Nuclear Inspectors
www.debka.com...

U.S. Looking At "All Options" On North Korea
www.reuters.com...

More Mid-East / WW3 News
www.endgamebeginningofww3.com...

It's not even summer yet and we're already getting uneducated teenage trolls who think they know everything about foreign relations.

This is just getting pathetic. It's individuals like this that make this site a joke. A serious topic with serious repercussions infiltrated by someone who wants nothing more than to stir the pot.

End rant.

To keep on topic, NK is right and the contract has been broken. From my limited assessment of the past few weeks, some steps had been taken to increase transparency. Not sure how much on the nuclear side but there was some public acceptance to acknowledge the situation for what it is. There was some exposure and invitations available for the rocket preparations. North Korea sounds like it is trying and moving slow with their entrenched stagnation over many years.

The US and others want to pick up the pace, give them a huge volume of paperwork in a foreign language and responding to all the orders. Patience and understanding is going to be needed to establish clear lines of communication and implement the changes in a timely fashion. For anyone interested in understanding where NK is at ideology then Juche is a good start www.korea-dpr.com...

If the US and others really want to get on top of this, then it is not how they respond to this nuclear issue but how South Korea does. Parts of both sides do want to reunite with the military restructure a big job and where Kim Jong Un looks focused. The Security Council needs to stop worrying about how North Korea handles the nuclear issue and start thinking about how Korea does.


reply to post by Germanicus


Nice Stabbin Just watch some of that language.

reply to post by kwakakev


Of course absolutely we will do as the South want us to do,the US has been far too busy at adventurism lately.What boggles my mind is we have a left winger/socialist in office out doing Reagan with the body count oppressive lawmaking and the liberals love him!

Some kid really needs to go take a vacation to NK and see how people are forced to work with no water till they die as punishment for speaking their minds about not having crap to eat.

The same Kid needs to learn history on the Korean war. It was a war Forced by NK backed by Russia. The U.N. FORCES were there to stop the invading communist NK from taking control of the south. America was just the lead army in that war. We kicked the NK army all the way up to the Chinese border, then the American Potus did not listen to MacArthur and millions of Chinese poured into NK and pushed us back to the south, Mac put a real general in charge and we then kicked the Chicoms in the nuts and pushed them back to the border that you see today.

Had the U.N. not stopped the American military when the Chicoms then came begging for peace, NK would be gone and the Chicoms would have lost probably a good deal of land itself.

reply to post by cavtrooper7


Love, hate or indifferent we have to work with him or else the body count will go a lot higher. Democratic principles are getting implemented in the North, as for how effective they currently are maybe questionable but it is starting and would expect improvements as the system matures. The big messy question for now is, how does the North's political system merge with the South?

Kim looks to be sitting on the sideline of the fast and furious world of political debate, which is a wise thing. But what would happen if there was a military junta? Which is raising a lot of concern in the international community. What sort of constitution will hold the nation together after all of its troubles and how exactly are the separation of powers defined. Is it possible to put together a short, concise brief that everyone can agree on?

reply to post by kwakakev


Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure about any kind of reform in NK. For starters, young KIm has only been in charge for a few months and secondly, when they are executing people with a mortar for daring to be drunk during the mourning period, I would seriously doubt any kind of democratic potential.

reply to post by Patriotsrevenge


America and Democracy first got into Korea around 1910. As the cold war was starting up between the USA and USSR, Korea got crushed in the conflict. Now the reasons for the wall are no longer their, except out of tradition. There is still some lose ends and cleaning up to do, but the issue of effective governance are becoming clearer as North Korea is moving towards democratic rule.

reply to post by stumason


The main parties in NK at the moment are the DRPK (Democrats Peoples Republic of Korea) and the WPK (Workers Party of Korea). There are others with some listed at eng.unikorea.go.kr...

From what I can see looking into it, NK is very much preparing to engage SK in a national political arena. There is still a lot of discussion going on, but with SK having twice as many people that NK they will also likely end up with twice as many seats in a national assembly. While NK is somewhat guarded, it does appear acceptable. I expect a lot of healthy debate, but if it continues along the lines of lots of hate, slander and blame, progress will be very slow and unproductive.

Governments are about setting the long term strategy and culture for the common good with both sides needing to learn how to communicate more effectively to achieve this. There is a lot of work going on to achieve this with the internet helping, but also hindering at times promoting the same old stereotypes and folk devils to what is a very complex situation.

reply to post by Germanicus


Dude...your logic, attitude and bias are a disgrace to the rest of us Aussies.

Especially when you condescendingly end a fair few of your sentences with Buddy. Not to mention the numerous T&C breaches as per your censored posts. Good luck gaining some community respect.

That is all.