9-11 The blue & red pill of the Matrix { a comparison}

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by pshea38

 

Hi pshea

Perhaps Northwoods and the USS LIBERTY were in your links??
Levon Affair??
I love the way you construct your threads.
BAzingA
the best ljb

Hey ljb.

All this and so much more man.
I could list another dozen major episodes that show clear indications of having
been staged/faked.

A bucket of red pills is what the doctor would order (if he wasn't playing his part
in the simulation/lie we call reality).

regards.

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Guys ....

Privates messages.

This thread is for discussing the OP-ED.
911 & the matrix comparison.

Thank you for your understanding & cooperation

Originally posted by pupetmaster
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

Bro, It's called private messages.

The "full-time" official story "bloggers" are really active on my thread i see.

Civil & logic-based debate as requested in my OP-ED.
Wish you could add your own thoughts, not one-linners like

wooooooaaaa braaa take more pills dawggg....

Can you quote me braaa dawggg????
Who cares about full time official story mind benders.
What's uncivil here!
Is this a shot a cross????
come on back ya hear.

reply to post by longjohnbritches


I sent u a U2U addressing your questions & points.

Do you have thoughts u want to share about the OP-ED ?

Originally posted by pupetmaster
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

I sent u a U2U addressing your questions & points.

Do you have thoughts u want to share about the OP-ED ?

SURE I posted this to compliment your red pill theory.
Can you muster your best and deal with it????

You do know the choosen color of thr Bolshevicks don't you?
Same as the red star, hammer and scickle of the Isreali Communist party.
edit on 4/16/2012 by longjohnbritches because: v
YOU SEE RED PIll (commie reds)

Got anything to say constructive about the stars and flags of the 911 truthers lately???
(do you???)
cheers ljb

Perhaps Northwoods and the USS LIBERTY were in your links??
Levon Affair??
(are they???)

I love the way you construct your threads.
BAzingA
( bafreakin zinga)
LJB
ps I build puppets

reply to post by longjohnbritches


derailing...

you imply that i associate the red pill with communists or the Israeli communist party...i haven't once mentioned or alluded to it in my posts. I don't.

But for thought experiment sake's, let say they could represent something like FEMA's alledged Blue & Red lists for the REX 84 camps program administered by haliburton & conjonction with a myriad of other contractors.
I don't really think so but then again how deep does the rabbit whole goe.

I'm not a regular ATS poster like yourself... i wouldn't know about "recent ats flags" in the 911 forums.
I don't think u build puppets


Back on topic;
9/11 (6:00 am) - NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called "Vigilant Guardian" in which some of it's military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were "part of the exercise."

A simulated aircraft hijacking was scheduled by NORAD & the NRO.
A dream within a dream. War game scenarios. The military thought hijackings were part of the exercises until the truth was revealed to late. Perception of reality was drastically altered.

A Hollywood dejavue, subliminal belief choice of religion / paradigm / structure of historical & political reality.
A subconscious media crusade against a cliche'd jihadist villain.

Osama bin laden.
The name conjures the character on the FBI most wanted poster and symbolism imagery of terrorism.
Wether the man is real or not doesn't matter. He has become hyper-real. The truth would be a copy without an original. His depiction includes that he hates freedom and he's managing a multi-country terrorist network called al-queeda that are independent of central leadership. So in effect. His ideas, his brand of radicalism is the enemy.

The CIA has nurtured radical fundementalists for years in various regions keeping them on a CIA database list called at one time "al-queeda". Some experts call this blow back. I say,
MIHOP. MADE-IT-HAPPEN-ON-PURPOUS. Intelligence agencies are masters of illusions and have studied mind control for years during the cold war.

September 2000 - Exactly one year before 9/11, the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) advocates the build up of the U.S. military, but won't think it will happen unless the U.S. experiences a major catastrophic event such as a "new Pearl Harbor".

REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES
Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

"To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs.
Moreover, the Pentagon, constrained by limited budgets and pressing current missions, has seen funding for experimentation and transformation crowded out in recent years. Spending on military research and development has been reduced dramatically over the past decade.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.

PROJECT PARTICIPANTS

I. Lewis Libby (Dechert Price & Rhoads), Paul Wolfowitz (Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University), Dov Zakheim (System Planning Corporation), William Kristol (The Weekly Standard)
These people live in a neo-con world view, and got their catastrophic event / opportunity to impose their reality with blind obedience to the religion the cult of 911 horror. Similarly to how the holocaust has now become sacred. (not denying it, just referring to the simulacra that the word implies)

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not mistaken one bit i have asked thousands of people since the event . i try to ask people who would listen to news real time . construction workers journalists etc . i am shocked by the number of people who have not figured out the time differance . i was not long of a plane from luton airport ( london uk ) i heard the taxi driver mumble something about terrorists whatever . its only later i put 2+2 together on it . ive stunned a lot of blockes on building sites with that one its the smockin gun that the average joe can get his head around it must have a cast of thousands .but if you can get away with the moonlandings well . i telephoned a reporter one day on speaker phone to ask him what time he first heard about it. answer 9.30 am uk i told him to check with his mates when i informed him that the us is 5 hrs behind he hung up all you have to do is ask some members here and read there stories flying spaggeti monster faccino or tiger mountain but on the other hand maybe MEMBER hooper is right & were all idiots drunken idiots

Its interesting that you mention it because I am in GMT+8 and it was around midnight when I saw the supposed live news. However that would mean NY was around midday since they are GMT -4. Unless I have my info wrong or the memory is failing me.

reply to post by geobro

not mistaken one bit i have asked thousands of people since the event . i try to ask people who would listen to news real time

That was actually a bit of sarcasm. My point is that every time something like that comes out, the debunkers disregard it as a misperception on the person's part. I've seen similar things about the eyewitnesses (they didn't really see what they saw, how could they in all that chaos, etc, etc) Seriously, that is the first time I ever thought about that time difference/when did you hear question.

reply to post by pupetmaster

9/11 (6:00 am) - NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called "Vigilant Guardian" in which some of it's military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were "part of the exercise."

Check again.

A simulated aircraft hijacking was scheduled by NORAD & the NRO.

Says who?

A dream within a dream.

Or delusion. You can also use the word delusion.

War game scenarios. The military thought hijackings were part of the exercises until the truth was revealed to late.

Better check on that. One guy asked if the emergency was real or exercise. One guy. One question. How does that equate to "the military thought"?

Perception of reality was drastically altered.

Not at all.

A Hollywood dejavue, subliminal belief choice of religion / paradigm / structure of historical & political reality.

Nonsense.

A subconscious media crusade against a cliche'd jihadist villain.

Its a "cliche" because there are real jihadist terrorist. For real. Real murderers.

Osama bin laden.

What about him?

The name conjures the character on the FBI most wanted poster and symbolism imagery of terrorism.

Conjures? Its his real name and he really was on the real FBI most wanted list. He really was a terrorist.

Wether the man is real or not doesn't matter.

Yes it does.

He has become hyper-real.

Try hyper-dead. Yippee! Kudos to SEAL Team 6 & Company!

The truth would be a copy without an original.

Actually, he was the original, there is no copy and now he's fish food.

His depiction includes that he hates freedom.....

No, thats just something some pundit said. For real. But we know these idiots do hate religious freedom. They executed people in Afghanistan for converting from Islam. So they do hate religious freedom. Some people do, its a real thing.

....and he's managing a multi-country terrorist network called al-queeda that are independent of central leadership.

Not any more - Yippeeee!

So in effect. His ideas, his brand of radicalism is the enemy....

Well, you got that right at least.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by pupetmaster

 

9/11 (6:00 am) - NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called "Vigilant Guardian" in which some of it's military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were "part of the exercise."

"Check again."

Maybe you should check. I can give you many different references pointing out up to many different faked hijacking scenarios on 9-11 by NORAD, NRO & others. some sources have already been posted. By asking for it it either implies that you didn't read it or are willfully ignoring it.

A simulated aircraft hijacking was scheduled by NORAD & the NRO.

"Says who?"

again check the sources maybe your own 9-11 commission report.
Norad's testimony to the commission and various others sources.
Again some sources have already been posted.
Deny ignorance, if you really want to know then look up the info in my thread.

A dream within a dream.

"Or delusion. You can also use the word delusion."

Well, you are proving that point by ignoring sources and facts.

War game scenarios. The military thought hijackings were part of the exercises until the truth was revealed to late.

"Better check on that. One guy asked if the emergency was real or exercise. One guy. One question. How does that equate to "the military thought"?"

I've read several books on the topic and there were up to 25 simulated hijackings on NORAD's radar that day.
PTECH & the black market PROMIS software (MOSSAD version, modified with back door, source; le mossad, 1951 a aujourd'hui) were installed on NORAD & PEOC computers the year before. The book quoted as source is factual information detailling how the mossad stole this software modified it and sold & installed it in many countries as part of their espionage operations.

Perception of reality was drastically altered.

"Not at all."

A Hollywood dejavue, subliminal belief choice of religion / paradigm / structure of historical & political reality.

"Nonsense."

Your opinion. Phillip Zelikow agrees with me.

A subconscious media crusade against a cliche'd jihadist villain.

"Its a "cliche" because there are real jihadist terrorist. For real. Real murderers."

I know, the CIA radicalized them, train them, funded them. That's known history. Several books have been published by EX-CIA like robert bauer for example.

Osama bin laden.

"What about him? "

you really have no argument points do you.

The name conjures the character on the FBI most wanted poster and symbolism imagery of terrorism.

"Conjures? Its his real name and he really was on the real FBI most wanted list. He really was a terrorist."

The FBI admitted having no evidence linking him to the crime of 9-11. My point is that has become a fictional character in the story of how the American dream bubble died that day. The new Oswald.

Wether the man is real or not doesn't matter.

"Yes it does."

Do you have evidence of his existence or death? Regardless, he served his intended purpous.

He has become hyper-real.

"Try hyper-dead. Yippee! Kudos to SEAL Team 6 & Company!"

In the land of freedom, one is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. TV convicted him & TV killed him "allegedly". You can't prove that seal team 6 killed him. A recent article linked earlier says the pentagon has no DNA, photo, video or any other kind of evidence from the seal team 6 raid to prove to the world that what they say happened happened.

The truth would be a copy without an original.

Actually, he was the original, there is no copy and now he's fish food.

His depiction includes that he hates freedom.....

"No, thats just something some pundit said. For real. But we know these idiots do hate religious freedom. They executed people in Afghanistan for converting from Islam. So they do hate religious freedom. Some people do, its a real thing."

I bet you don't know any muslims. I have many friends who are muslims and come from various different countries. The extremists are scarcer than our rednecks. Most muslims are modern and progressive. Some are not.

....and he's managing a multi-country terrorist network called al-queeda that are independent of central leadership.

"Not any more - Yippeeee!"

Again no proof that al-queeda ever existed. Another myth created similarly to the giant fear of communism in the 1950s.

So in effect. His ideas, his brand of radicalism is the enemy....

Well, you got that right at least.

Hoper my friend...i wish you would try to discuss the topic. Your tactics aren't really convincing anyone intellectually.

reply to post by pupetmaster

Hoper my friend...i wish you would try to discuss the topic. Your tactics aren't really convincing anyone intellectually.

I am. I addressed every one of your points. Can't help it if they are nonsensical or make believe. I guess by "discuss" what you really mean is agree with you and keep telling you how great your are.

Not going to happen.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by pupetmaster

 

Hoper my friend...i wish you would try to discuss the topic. Your tactics aren't really convincing anyone intellectually.

I am. I addressed every one of your points. Can't help it if they are nonsensical or make believe. I guess by "discuss" what you really mean is agree with you and keep telling you how great your are.

Not going to happen.

The fact that you think you addressed my points prove the OP-ED. You yourself are living in a reality of denial. Any independent third party can read it in the previous posts. (that you ignored all of my points, oversimplified, social denigration & more) Whenever i have valid logical arguments you just make the topic about me again.

This last post just now for example where you ask me to check for my facts and i tell you that the sources have been posted already and that they are indeed facts. Your rebuttal to that is that you addressed all of my points...? You are the proof of my op-ed buddy. Ignoring portions of reality that don't agree with what you already accepted as hyper-real.

In your pro-official story thread where you expand just a little bit more on your views you say : " Would have absolutely no problem using the military option with anyone who threatens my country. You know what they say - "you don't tug on Superman's cape....." By your definition, perhaps the whole world should attack superman because he is threatening every country on earth with his wars. 50 wars in 50 years. USA #1 USA #1

I say, court of law and evidence. Canada was also apparently attacked by al-queeda shortly after. They called them the Toronto 18. Most of them were let go without charge due to lack of evidence and the RCMP (our FBI) was found to have been involved in the plot (delivering the fertilizer) and possibly guilty of entrapment. An order of non-publication was ordered on day 2 of this situation and almost no one in Canada remembers that it happened. That's our version of the Simulacra of terrorists attacking the west. OUR hollywood dejavue.

Big-picture thinking... Analytical thinking. I do it everyday at work. Simple thought experiments. Physicists & scientists do it everyday in their workplace.

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In your thread here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You stated;

OBL was the leader of an organization that orchestrated 9/11

althought according to a web site in your camp of reality (911myths.com)

FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

“Why doesn’t Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster make any direct connection with the events of September 11, 2001?” The FBI says on its Bin Laden web page that Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. According to the FBI, these attacks killed over 200 people. The FBI concludes its reason for “wanting” Bin Laden by saying, “In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorists attacks throughout the world.”

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”


So how is it that you know that Bin laden orchestrated it and the FBI has no evidence.
Did reality TV tell you ?
May i ask your sources of facts and evidence that support this opinion, belief, faith of yours?
If you want to address this point (resolved by means of intellectual arguments backed up by sourced facts), just list your facts & sources below so we can evaluate & continue discussing / debating.

reply to post by pupetmaster


Wow. You must have taken a lot of those pills because apparently you've been out of it for the last couple of years.

The old "FBI doesn't think he did it" stuff because of one comment made years ago? Tell you what - I am sure if you called the FBI any time in the intervening years and said that you just came back from a trip to Pakistan and found out where OBL was I am pretty sure they would not have said, "we don't care, he didn't have anything to do with 9/11".

C'mon. Tell you what, get a cup of coffee and go outdoors for awhile then catch up on your "research". Try reading something other than conspiracy websites.

reply to post by pupetmaster


So please give me a page number in the 9/11 commission report where it is stated that NORAD had simulated hijacking exercises on 9/11/2001. Not some reference to hijacking exercises at some point before 9/11/2001 or some proposed point after 9/11/2001, but on 9/11/2001.

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Again ignoring every fact and asking me to prove it for you.
Again attacking me, telling to go outside.
You blog more about 9-11 then i ever will in my life.

The FBI has never charged him with the crime and to this day still has no evidence linking him to the crime.

You can have the last word in my thread hoper. I don't care. Your are unreasonable and illogical.
Your rhetoric is irritating. Bu then again it is your day job.

Here is your proof (that you will ignore as you have every other argument i've posted)
wayback.archive.org... p%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060425112545%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegltech.com%2Fmedia%2FMcKinney2.rm
at 6 minutes 12 seconds. Congressional inquiry, Rumsfeld & General Myers talking about the war games happenning on 9-11.

Simple Google search. But u must know this since you've been posting everyday about 9-11 for months, actually years, according to your post history.

reply to post by hooper


Hi hoop
Here are some facts about the 911 Omission Commission that you may want to book mark. Actually you haven't seen this side of the coin.

Read the entire article. It will do you good.en.wikipedia.org... Commission

Criticism of the 9/11 Commission - Wikipedia, the ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission

Criticism of the 9/11 Commission includes a variety of criticisms of the 9/11 Commission, the United States congressional commission set up to investigate the September 11 attacks in 2001 and chaired by former New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean. Because the investigation was controversial and politically sensitive, many participants have been criticized during the process. Leading critics include members of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee and the Jersey Girls, who according to the documentary 9/11: Press for Truth, were instrumental in overcoming government resistance to establishing the 9/11 Commission.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------

-White House lawyers attempted to stonewall the creation of the commission and to hamstring its work from the outset. As Shenon reports, when Bush terrorism "czar" Richard Clarke could no longer be prevented from testifying about his urgent warnings over the summer of 2001 to Rice about the imminent threat of terrorist attack on US soil, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and his aides feverishly drafted tough questions and phoned them in to Republican commissioners to undermine Clarke's credibility." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

While President Bush and Vice President Cheney did ultimately agree to testify, they did so only under several conditions:

They would be allowed to testify jointly;
They would not be required to take an oath before testifying;
The testimony would not be recorded electronically or transcribed, and that the only record would be notes taken by one of the commission staffers;
These notes would not be made public.
The commission agreed to these conditions, and the president and vice president gave their testimony on April 29.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, says he was "shocked" that the Commission never asked about extreme interrogation measures. "Most people look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a trusted historical document. If their conclusions were supported by information gained from torture, therefore their conclusions are suspect."[citation needed]

I hope the link works.
God bless America ljb

Originally posted by Cecilofs
Its interesting that you mention it because I am in GMT+8 and it was around midnight when I saw the supposed live news. However that would mean NY was around midday since they are GMT -4. Unless I have my info wrong or the memory is failing me.

no bud your memory is just fine london & new york are 5 hours apart though ask people you know over 35 years old just 2 make sure take it your in oz or nz

reply to post by coyotepoet


about 1 hour after watching it live on tv i just knew that something was nut right i have spoken to thousands over this . asking them WHAT TIME DID YOU HEAR ABOUT 9-11 earliest i have heard back is 9 30 ish from lots of people . it puts all the loose change stuff in the shade that one as most people can relate to it . it was on a loop in the uk on tv watch jfk by oliver stone you will see the time diff come up again with the navy guy .