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Originally posted by samkent
I think th OP is reading too much into the whole thing.
Sometimes a turd in the grass is just that a turd.
If you try hard enough you can make obscure connections between any two (or more) events. Like numerology.
Example Kate and William got married on the same day as Adolf an Eva. Is there anything significant about it? No.
Plus there have been a few examples of one entity trying to control all of the worlds 'blank'. But it has never come close to sucess. All it takes is one good redneck to screw up the most perfect plan. And there are lots of rednecks all over the world.
As Hopper is quite familiar with reality
All of you know that in our reality 95% of all humans on earth "believe" in a religion, higher power, god.
Although this can't be proven in anyway for the time being, this is part of our reality.
Heaven & earth, are other realities that billions of people incorporate into their daily world view. Similarly, children are made to believe in the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, the bogeyman and many other realities that for them are real until the illusion is shattered by their parents.
No one can pretend to know all the answers, let alone Hopper. (quantum physic much?)
Again the topic is; Sept 11th 2001 & the matrix-like illusion of reality brought to us in various forms.
Debt slavery is similar to the enslavement in the matrix
"Born into bondage of a prison that you cannot see taste or hear."
What if your birth certificate is a government bond pre-sold to creditors and is worth how much taxes you may pay in life and most people never realize it.
That could be a similarity between the movie & modern society.
This is the kind of substance you can all contribute to this thread.
If you don't agree, please elaborate with logic and arguments.
Thank you for your thoughtful contributions whether for or against the topic.
Originally posted by pupetmaster
reply to post by Six Sigma
Hey Six sigma! Another pro-official story member i see. Not sure what your logical argument (2006 not 2012) means in the scope of my thread & topic... Please feel free to add more substance in a civil manner.
K now Hopper ur starting to sound like a troll.
U argue everything just for the sake of arguing without using logical arguments.
What's the point of telling you that 95% number. You'll just ignore it in your next post like you ignored the comments made about the fact that quantum physicists worldwide are exploring the boundaries of reality as we speak.
All my examples were good ones to. Your are not trying to have a discussion Hopper, your trying to discredit me & the topic.
Your arguing so much that your reply to :
"Born into bondage of a prison that you cannot see taste or hear."
was "nonsense".
That was a quote from the matrix by the way. No argument point there.
Anyway if you want to have a discussion about this topic feel free. I would like you to ask you to stop attacking me. (all 3 of your posts felt like attacks by a mad troll) Then again, "terrorists hate our freedom", and we are free to attack people. Knock yourself out.
By the way, i see that you've been posting in the 911 forum all day today and all day this week. Can i ask what you do for a living hopper?
I noticed you don't post on week-ends... only all day during the week... Paid blogger is guess.
Originally posted by pupetmaster
Before starting this thread, my view on 9-11 is that it was an highly orchestrated false flag terror event (not necessarily state sponsored) to advance many Geo-strategic goals such has but not limited to;
- Reasoning for permanent warfare
- Securing oil reserves (in an era of rising prices, rising demand & limited production & supply)
- Ensuring that oil continues to be traded on American dollars (thus inflating the value of the fiat currency)
- Constructing a "Oil & gas" pipeline from the "stans" (Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan..etc) through Afghanistan &
Pakistan
potentially worth trillions and competing with the Iran/India pipeline that could service china.
- More power to the state over the lives of individuals (they can now arrest us without Habeus corpus, without
warrant, spy on us, detain us indefinitely, torture us in third party countries and much more more. The average
citizen is now part of the definition of terrorist.
- Maintain America's global hegemony in an increasing multi-polar world, use force and fight multiple theaters of
war simultaneously (as per the PNAC policy papers)
- Securing the realm in a ideology & religion war (fighting Israel's enemies) unconsciously fighting a crusade
while they are fighting a jihad
You are most probably a paid blogger (based on your post history) in which case i'm wasting my time...
And i'm not sure what your talking about anymore.
Definitely not my topic.
I've read 10 of your posts in the 911 forum and understand the tactics you are using.
In my opinion, your are not sincere & genuine. Have a good life.
Seems you didn't understand my thread or are unwilling to open your mind to a simple "thought experiment".
Thanks for taking the time out of your day to derail this thread.
The "Matrix" was a make believe movie. And you are taking too many pills.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by hooper
The "Matrix" was a make believe movie. And you are taking too many pills.
Actually thinking not taking enough pills.....
Good Morning Hoper (troll).
For someone who thinks this topic doesn't warrant serious review you sure have a lot to say in it.
And you haven't really understood the actual topic yet.
In terms of Hollywood DEJAVUE, In the matrix, the protagonists are actually terrorists in the beginning of the movies hunted by the state until the truth is revealed. They are then no longer terrorists but freedom fighters. It's all a question of illusion. Similarly to 9-11.
Another quote from Simulacra & simulation
(book by jean beaudillard, mandatory reading for all cast members in the Matrix movie)
"This is how all the holdups, airplane hijackings, etc. are now in some sense simulation holdups in that they are already inscribed in the decoding and orchestration rituals of the media, anticipated in their presentation and their possible consequences."
And PSHEA38, i think September clues is dis info.
There were planes and they did hit the buildings.
Pentagon was most likely a bunker buster missile disguised as a plane.
The pilots are saying no commercial can technically fly at the speeds recorded on the black box data recorder. And the final turn is impossible for experienced pilots of 30 years, let alone a terrorist pilot who took 1 year of Cessna classes.
It's all part of the illusion. How were 19 terrorists able to go through security with box cutters?
How did they overpower the planes with box cutters?
How are some of the 19 hijackers still alive ?
How was it that they reported having they identity stolen (similarly to the recent Mossad hit-squad in Dubai) and that the official story hasn't changed.
The blue pill is deeply engrained. AS Jean beaudillard would say, the real doesn't matter anymore, because the hyper-real replaced it, the real is but a copy without an original.
To go back to my earlier point about a dream within a dream, or matrix within a matrix, United 93 (Hollywood movie version) is the dream within the dream of the 9-11 (WTC Hollywood movie version).
Heroic passengers tackle the terrorists to save their own freedom. Although, most likely the plane was shot down.
The Hollywood cliche of firefighters fighting terrorism was also made into a movie with Arnold a few years after.
My topic is deeper than some member's oversimplification & shallow mindedness.
Glad to see that some are embracing this "thought experiment" for what it is