To all the God haters:

I find it ironic that you claim Dawkins can be disproved with simple logic. The last time I checked, religion and logic are antithetical, not the other way around.

reply to post by Raelsatu

Because from Genesis to Revelations he exhibits traits that are not 'God-like' by any rational standards.

Think you could exclude Matthew to John in that statement?

You do realize that not believing is not the same as hating right? And besides that I suspect that people typically have more problems with Christians than they do with Christianity.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
I find it ironic that you claim Dawkins can be disproved with simple logic. The last time I checked, religion and logic are antithetical, not the other way around.

His thread has nothing to do with religion. It's about a God. He made it clear he wasn't supporting any one religion.
A God must exist. It's illogical otherwise.

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You know it would be one thing if this story had not been copied many times before !!! Research religions , yah I know there are thousands . Jesus and the rest of the story are that , just stories . Honestly just keep it to yourself . Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it !

Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
A 2010 survey found that those identifying as atheists or agnostics are on average more knowledgeable about [color=#00dc00]religion than followers of major faiths.

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years."

Organized religion is THE deception that keeps us in fear of God and rejecting his grace. Religion keeps you from knowing God and keeps you blind as to what God is really like! Sadly, some confuse religion with Jesus, and walk away from them both, God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. ALL pagan religions are controlled by Satan! This search illustrates this well. The elite created religion as a tool for control with a hidden agenda that aims to blind and misguide you away from the truth.

"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief. That is not to say everyone is involved in these horrors, of course not. Most of the advocates of these religions would be as outraged as the rest of us if they realized what was going on." Source

Atheism is more than disbelief; it is a well-financed Illuminati movement with a stealth agenda designed to control you. If not why is their goal to have a world without a god?

Originally posted by Sablicious
Atheism is an idiot's belief as much as any other religion is. Why? Because it's a belief--it's based on nothing factual or empirical. One must be open to the idea of a god - as asinine as this concept, as it's portrayed by religion, tends to sound - in the same way one must be open to the idea of no god.

It’s not a matter of not believing it. It’s a matter of definition. If you say of your Ford Expedition that you have no belief that there was a maker, then you think that nothing made it. It just happened. You have defined yourself as having that mentality. So if you call yourself an atheist, you are saying that you have no belief in a God—a Creator. Creation just happened. Everything you see—all the different breeds of dog (both male and female), all the different breeds of cat (both male and female), all the different fish in the ocean (both male and female), giraffes, elephants, cattle, sheep, horses, birds, flowers, trees, the sun, the moon, the stars, the four seasons, night and day, the marvels of the human body—the eye with its 137,000,000 light sensitive cells (we have been made well Robert) . . . all these marvels of creation were made by nothing. They all just happened. That’s atheism at its core. What an intellectual embarrassment. Source

Man is blind and incapable of seeing God in the natural! All mankind needs a supernatural encounter with the Risen Saviour.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by humphreysjim

 

What'd you mean by your Higher Power comment then?

And are you an atheist or agnostic?

Do you know the definitions of the two, and are you SURE you're an atheist?

If you're an atheist, and you have the truth, can you please tell me something god? Since your omniscient, what am i wearing right now?

Do you see the fallacy in proclaiming yourself to be a wise atheist?

I know the definitions, I suspect you do not.

Atheism means "without God belief". It means a lack of belief in God.

For clarification the adherents are usually split into two camps, strong and weak atheists.

Strong atheists claim "there is no God" as a positive claim of knowledge. Weak atheists, of which I am one, simply lack belief in God. Key difference.

Agnosticism is more about the impossibility of knowledge of God.

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
I find it ironic that you claim Dawkins can be disproved with simple logic. The last time I checked, religion and logic are antithetical, not the other way around.

His thread has nothing to do with religion. It's about a God. He made it clear he wasn't supporting any one religion.
A God must exist. It's illogical otherwise.

Why MUST God exist?

What is illogical about the way our universe works?

I think for people with a weak mind God MUST exist and for those with vision and real problem solving abilities God is just made up to explain things that had no answer at the time.

Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by Ericthenewbie
A 2010 survey found that those identifying as atheists or agnostics are on average more knowledgeable about [color=#00dc00]religion than followers of major faiths.

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years."

Organized religion is THE deception that keeps us in fear of God and rejecting his grace. Religion keeps you from knowing God and keeps you blind as to what God is really like! Sadly, some confuse religion with Jesus, and walk away from them both, God and religion are separate entities that get intertwined together by man. ALL pagan religions are controlled by Satan! This search illustrates this well. The elite created religion as a tool for control with a hidden agenda that aims to blind and misguide you away from the truth.

"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief. That is not to say everyone is involved in these horrors, of course not. Most of the advocates of these religions would be as outraged as the rest of us if they realized what was going on." Source

Atheism is more than disbelief; it is a well-financed Illuminati movement with a stealth agenda designed to control you. If not why is their goal to have a world without a god?

Originally posted by Sablicious
Atheism is an idiot's belief as much as any other religion is. Why? Because it's a belief--it's based on nothing factual or empirical. One must be open to the idea of a god - as asinine as this concept, as it's portrayed by religion, tends to sound - in the same way one must be open to the idea of no god.

It’s not a matter of not believing it. It’s a matter of definition. If you say of your Ford Expedition that you have no belief that there was a maker, then you think that nothing made it. It just happened. You have defined yourself as having that mentality. So if you call yourself an atheist, you are saying that you have no belief in a God—a Creator. Creation just happened. Everything you see—all the different breeds of dog (both male and female), all the different breeds of cat (both male and female), all the different fish in the ocean (both male and female), giraffes, elephants, cattle, sheep, horses, birds, flowers, trees, the sun, the moon, the stars, the four seasons, night and day, the marvels of the human body—the eye with its 137,000,000 light sensitive cells (we have been made well Robert) . . . all these marvels of creation were made by nothing. They all just happened. That’s atheism at its core. What an intellectual embarrassment. Source

Man is blind and incapable of seeing God in the natural! All mankind needs a supernatural encounter with the Risen Saviour.

WOW!

You need a sign.

You make a circular argument and reference things that make very little sense to support your hypothesis. I suggest you spend some time working on making sensical arguments before you attempt to defend you stance again. As it is you just come off looking juvenile and misinformed.

You are a blind follower and just the type that makes intelligent people cringe when you start to spew nonsensical diatribe. You listen to what others tell you because you think they are without fault and you deny things you can't explain. You are the reason people hate your religion. You are filled with hatred of those you feel are different than you because you feel threatened by them and don't know how to deal with the feelings.

I know none of this makes sense to you because you are incapable of being objective here. You are a perfect example of the worst type of person. It is your type that caused me to find answers and realize there is NO GOD so thank you for that, but it is also your type that starts wars and supports a warmonger to get misguided revenge in your God's name. You are a tool.

The objection of Dawkins and most (though not all) other atheists, is usually specifically with Semitic monotheism. They generally won't know much about other religions.

I'm not a fan of contemporary Christianity myself, truth be told; so I left it. No big deal.

Originally posted by Iason321
Dear atheists, unbelievers, secular humanists, etc.... (this is not addressing spiritual/religious people who believe in gods other than Christ YHVH, this is aimed at those who believe in no deity)

I was in the process of reading an article, and reading a post on ATS in another thread, and I just feel like sharing this with you all.

I feel this is a great read for anybody who has bought into Dawkins / Hitchens anti-God anti-Christ crusade,

www.dailymail.co.uk...


Thank you and God bless you all

So just because someone does not BLINDLY BELIEVE in some far fetched unproven God we are now God haters???
The delusions of some of you christians never cease to amaze me. I dont believe in God simply because i am able to think and make up my own opinion, instead of blindly believing some fictional story written ages ago by other humans.

It is actually the mindset of people like you that makes people "god haters".

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So because I don't believe in a deity in any form represented by any religion, I'm a god hater? That's a pretty warped view of the world my friend. I was pretty sure religion, specifically Christianity was supposed to be about love and understanding.

Just because I don't believe in religion, doesn't mean I don't respect your right to do so. My main issue is when religion is used to control others, stifle education and innovation, and to warp the systems of government we have in place.

Also, I'm sick to death of being judged by those who's on religion tells them not to judge. By the christian playbook I think I might have a better shot at getting into heaven than some of you.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
Man is blind and incapable of seeing God in the natural! All mankind needs a supernatural encounter with the Risen Saviour.

First, you can prove moms exist. It's quite simple.

Second, since you have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe, why don't you run your idea by him? Let him know that we all need a supernatural encounter with him? That would be cool.

This...God what harm he did to you to hate him so much.Maybe God is love and help you in hard times...maybe....many things.

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
This...God what harm he did to you to hate him so much.Maybe God is love and help you in hard times...maybe....many things.

Again, how can you hate something you don't believe in? How hard is that to understand? Do you hate Zeus?

reply to post by Hydroman


How do you tell an Omniscient Being what to know or what to do?

Every thought you've ever had and forgotten, God is still hearing as if you're having it now.
Every moment of your life your mind can remember, the day you were born, and the day you will die, God is standing besides you at both, right now in this present moment

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
This...God what harm he did to you to hate him so much.Maybe God is love and help you in hard times...maybe....many things.

Again, how can you hate something you don't believe in? How hard is that to understand? Do you hate Zeus?

Sorry Hydroman,but who is Zeus and...how many they are?Life is about facts and facts guide you to the same point..to believe when there is suffering.

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by diamondoftheworld
This...God what harm he did to you to hate him so much.Maybe God is love and help you in hard times...maybe....many things.

Again, how can you hate something you don't believe in? How hard is that to understand? Do you hate Zeus?

Sorry Hydroman,but who is Zeus and...how many they are?Life is about facts and facts guide you to the same point..to believe when there is suffering.

Zeus is a god worshiped by ancient Greeks. Do you hate him? Do you honestly not see what I'm saying?

Originally posted by Iason321
How do you tell an Omniscient Being what to know or what to do?

Every thought you've ever had and forgotten, God is still hearing as if you're having it now.
Every moment of your life your mind can remember, the day you were born, and the day you will die, God is standing besides you at both, right now in this present moment

You don't tell him, you ask. You know, prayer? Like when you ask your god to heal someone? Can you not ask your god to do certain things, or does that make him angry? Do you have to tip toe around your god so that he doesn't strike you down, or what? Don't you have a personal relationship with him?

reply to post by Hydroman


Yes, I know.

But do you not understand how God works? What you are seeking, is in your face, but you don't see it. Seeing you do not see, hearing you do not hear.

What good would it do for God Almighty himself to manifest in front of you?

You'd probably just disbelieve a few hours after the Theophany anyways, and be no better off than before.