George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, official says

reply to post by Xcathdra


it sounds like you are getting a little irritated,i'm sorry if you have explained it time and time again i have been keeping up with the threads and do not remember you writing your professional opinion about the standard procedure of getting cleaned up in the back of a squad car as opposed to an ambulance. as far as the clothing and pictures of the wounds are concerned do you believe there are any? i mean that would seem as the most basic pieces of evidence, i find it hard to believe the police would just rely on police statements regarding wounds and bloody grass stained clothing when there has been a killing.

Originally posted by Annee
Not if the person is laying on the ground near the curb where he was getting his head bashed on.

What curb?

Wasn't there just a pedestrian walk path?

Good god.. sidewalk.. curb.. They are made of the same material and can cause the same damage when a head is slammed into it.

CNN - head hit on sidewalk
NPR - sidewalk
Sen tinal - sidewalk

Sidewalk
Curb


This is just as bad as the pursued / followed debate that has no bearing on this case.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
Yes, and not to mention that Trayvons body was entirely in grass and his head was facing toward the building with his feet pointing toward the sidewalk.

Source for these claims please.

I see you are already prepping to discount a medical release that doesn't work in your favor as well.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Annee
Not if the person is laying on the ground near the curb where he was getting his head bashed on.

What curb?

Wasn't there just a pedestrian walk path?

Good god.. sidewalk.. curb.. They are made of the same material and can cause the same damage when a head is slammed into it.

Back to my original question: The head "injuries" seem a bit high up on his head.

Your response: Not if head is banged against curb.

My response: What curb? Is there a curb on the pedestrian walkpath?

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You basically acknowledged the "injuries" were high - - by saying "Not if head is banged against a curb".

Call me stupid

Originally posted by Annee
Zimmerman got beat up shortly after moving to Florida. Not much has been said about that.

Thats because its irrelevent. However if you wish to use it in an argument then the flip side of the coin is to use Martins history with drugs and being expelled / suspended from school.

Yes?

Originally posted by Annee
Could these be scars from a previous injury? Perhaps from when he got beat up.

seriously...... wow

Originally posted by Annee
Could that beating have resulted in some brain damage?

Something is missing in all this.

edit on 14-4-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

Its called the events from confrontation to the time police arrived on scene. As I stated before are you guys setting up on the off chance medical files dont support your position? I dont see any other reason for the speculation on his injury aside from prepping to dismiss it as something not related to the incident.

Or are you referring to something elsE?

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
Pointing out your inconsistencies and occasional flat out lie is not off topic, nor is it ranting.

Actually is trolling because the issue was already dealt with. for some reason you cant seem to get over it. You are making accusations at me yet you cant support them.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
Again stating I can't read. Is that like a little kick for you to say that? Ive read everything you wrote, thats why I know alot of it has been wrong on certain points. Im sorry if you think its ranting or off topic to point that out to you. Quit doing those things and I won't have to correct you on your mistakes.

Its the only conclusion I can arrive at because you keep asking the same crap over and over when its already been answered. You failed to read cite sources in their entirety before coming back in here and making more accusations at me.

Secondly I have called you out in a few posts asking you to cite your sources to support your claims.. Yet here we are, and you have provided nothing except a post that states "in your opinion". Were the other posts your opinion as well? Since you passed them off as facts please cite the sources.

Please - grow up act your age and engage in the topic...


If the medical files are released and supports Zimmerman's position, will you accept that?
If the witnesses who saw what occurred testify and it supports Zimmerman will you accept that?
If Zimmerman's lawyer successfully argues SYG at the preliminary and the charge is dismissed will you accept that?

Or will you discount it as a cover up?

No the trolling is when you post things that are false and flat out lies. That is trolling.

Ive cited my sources, when needed. You can try and turn this around on me but it wont work. Reading the sources you cite entirely does not change the fact that you sourced them wrong.

When I see those medical records. But him having a medical records doesn't in anyway prove that he murdered justifiably. Even still, I don't think any medical record he will have will back up his claims. No source needed, my opinion. When his medical records come back and don't support his claim, what will you say then?

Ive heard what the witness have said, the 13 year old boy, the 30 year old woman, Selma and Mary Curther, 'John'.....Ive heard all the 911 calls, so I don't see how they are all going to change their stories now. When they get on the stand and testify against Zimmerman will you accept that?

If his lawyers argues it successfully would I have a choice but to accept it? No, thats a silly question. If his lawyers aren't successful will still defend him and say he was using self defense? Im sure you will, cuz I know I still defend Trayvon and say Zimmerman murdered him.

Here's another personal opinion. I think he is gonna try to plea the case down, because he doesn't have any evidence to back up his claim. If he does that, will you accept that he is a murderer?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Please - grow up act your age and engage in the topic...

Grow up?

Why don't you just post your opinion - - - and let everything else go.

How grown up is it - - - that you have to argue you are right?

Speaking of grown up....

My apologies I thought you guys were interested in the truth and not speculation by using opinions rather than the law?

I'm sorry if my participation in this thread cramps your style of wild speculation based on nothing in an effort to paint someone in a bad light simply because your personal / moral views refuse to let you accept the law.

I will continue to participate in the threads. I am giving the counter argument to all the wild speculation that exists on this site.

Again my apologies for providing facts... Either way if you dont need them then maybe others who are reading the thread can use the information. Not everyone on this site comes here for speculation.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Yes, and not to mention that Trayvons body was entirely in grass and his head was facing toward the building with his feet pointing toward the sidewalk. Thats another reason Zimmermans account of having his head bashed in doesn't make sense, because the sidewalk was at their feet.

Zimmerman got beat up shortly after moving to Florida. Not much has been said about that.

Could these be scars from a previous injury? Perhaps from when he got beat up.

Could that beating have resulted in some brain damage?

Something is missing in all this.

edit on 14-4-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)

I haven't heard about him being beaten up when he first moved there. Interesting.

I do find him a little odd myself. But in full disclosure, I feel bad for him. I can tell he is scared s'less. I really do think he is remorseful. I think this was just a horrible occurence that could have been avoided and he should be punished for that. However, I really don't think he ever set out to kill Trayvon. I think the situation just got out of his control and he panicked and accidently shot him. I don't think he should spent the rest of his life in jail, but I do think he deserves some time. I honestly believe that he needs some help, and hopefully he will get it. But again, I do feel sorry for him. By all accounts he did just want to live in a safe neighborhood and he took it a little to far. It is such a shame.

I also think with his new lawyer on his side that he will apologize to the Martins, personally, and I think they will accept it. I think that is going to help smooth this whole thing over, a little. Hi lawyer has already said that Zimmerman wants to say he is sorry. I believe the guy feels horrible about this, I believe it will haunt him for the rest of his life, but I also believe he is learning a very valuable lesson.

It just a shame all around, and now to see how the country is divided about race and guns. Its a good indicator of the times we live in......crazy.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Annee
Not if the person is laying on the ground near the curb where he was getting his head bashed on.

What curb?

Wasn't there just a pedestrian walk path?

Good god.. sidewalk.. curb.. They are made of the same material and can cause the same damage when a head is slammed into it.

Back to my original question: The head "injuries" seem a bit high up on his head.

Your response: Not if head is banged against curb.

My response: What curb? Is there a curb on the pedestrian walkpath?

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You basically acknowledged the "injuries" were high - - by saying "Not if head is banged against a curb".

Call me stupid

Lets try this -
Next time you are in an area with grass and a concrete walkway lie down on the ground with your head close to but not completely on the concrete portion. You will notice that depending on movement, its possible for the high point of the head to be the part of contact while the area below the contact point is missed.

If Zimmerman was punched and went down from that, a backwards falling motion with the forward momentum (forward momentum as in falling backwards at an angle while moving as opposed to falling backwards like a tree being cut down.

I can provide a bunch of other examples of how an injury can occur..

I didn't call you stupid either...

reply to post by pizzanazi75


Once again you ignored the request to cite sources to support your accusations.

game over for you..

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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

it sounds like you are getting a little irritated,i'm sorry if you have explained it time and time again i have been keeping up with the threads and do not remember you writing your professional opinion about the standard procedure of getting cleaned up in the back of a squad car as opposed to an ambulance. as far as the clothing and pictures of the wounds are concerned do you believe there are any? i mean that would seem as the most basic pieces of evidence, i find it hard to believe the police would just rely on police statements regarding wounds and bloody grass stained clothing when there has been a killing.

xcathdra from what it seems you are bending certain parts of the story so they lean towards vague parts of the law that would allow zimmerman to get off not guilty. maybe you are playing devils advocate? fair enough. lets be completely hypothetical for a second, lets say evidence strongly leans towards zimmerman being guilty of 2nd degree murder yet somehow the evidence is not admissable in court but it obviously points to zimmermans guilt. will there be any outrage in your heart?

if the evidence comes out the complete opposite and somehow trayvon is completely at fault i will be very upset and my ego will be pretty shot lol and yes i will admit i was wrong and shame on me for not hearing out all the evidence. but...it seems that from your point of view you are ok with zimmerman using bogus laws to get away with what he did and if it is a bogus part of a law or some weasel way into a not guilty verdict i will not be cool with that from a moral standpoint.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
Yes, and not to mention that Trayvons body was entirely in grass and his head was facing toward the building with his feet pointing toward the sidewalk.

Source for these claims please.

I see you are already prepping to discount a medical release that doesn't work in your favor as well.

Here is one source that says they were 4 feet from a hard surface......still looking for the one that states which direction the body was pointing......as soon as I find it, ill post it, don't you worry. I don't have a need to make things up or embellish anything.

You can jump to around 8:40 to hear this witness describe how far from 'a hard surface' they were.

Eyewitness to the Trayvon Martin shooting speaks out

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Annee
Not if the person is laying on the ground near the curb where he was getting his head bashed on.

What curb?

Wasn't there just a pedestrian walk path?

Good god.. sidewalk.. curb.. They are made of the same material and can cause the same damage when a head is slammed into it.

CNN - head hit on sidewalk
NPR - sidewalk
Sen tinal - sidewalk

Sidewalk
Curb


This is just as bad as the pursued / followed debate that has no bearing on this case.

edit on 14-4-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Your right but your arguing with people that believe hes guilty. Problem with this is no one looks at the evidence at all. They accuse zimmerman of following Treyvon but if you listen to the 911 tape it makes it obvious that didnt happen.In fact it proves that treyvon came back and confronted zimmerman.

Here lets do a little experiment here i want you to listen to the 911 tape



911 call

If you listen to the entire 911 call not what the press wanted you to here at 3 minutes 36 seconds into the call its obvious treyvon had lost him. This means Treyvon had to come back to him as he states.When the dispatcher asks Gorge where he lives he states :" AWW crap i dont want to give out my address i dont know where this kid is" This proves that Treyvon could have continued home without incident since Zimmerman was heading back to his truck to meet the officer.This proves Treyvon re initiated contact this tape also contradict the girlfriends testimony.

This 911 tape alone if i were prosecuting would make it very difficult to prove Zimmerman started the confrontation.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75


I haven't heard about him being beaten up when he first moved there. Interesting.

I do find him a little odd myself. But in full disclosure, I feel bad for him. I can tell he is scared s'less. I really do think he is remorseful. I think this was just a horrible occurence that could have been avoided and he should be punished for that.

I agree with your entire post. I think he is basically a good guy - with some problems.

Was he unemployed? Did he get fired because of his Jekyll & Hyde personality?

Did he have brain injury from when he was previously attacked? The records on that are apparently sealed.

How much has his family covered up?

He seems like an accident waiting to happen. If it wasn't Trayvon - - it would be someone else at some point IMO.

I don't suppose any of that will come up in court - - unless somehow they find it relevant to the case.

Its kind of a "wait and see" now.

reply to post by dragonridr


That just goes to show you how unclear the 911 call really is.

I don't get what you get at all--just the opposite. To me, I hear Zimmerman exiting his truck and walking/running away from it. At that point, he tells the 911 dispatch instead of meeting him at the mailboxes, to have the officer call him to find out his location. This indicates to me he was following Martin and did not know where he would be upon their arrival. Martin's body was found behind the homes. Because of this, we know he did follow Martin around and he was not walking back to his vehicle.

That's what I get from the call.

According to the girlfriend, just before the verbal and physical contact happened, Martin thought he had lost Zimmerman.

Either way, there is nothing clear-cut about this case.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Annee
Not if the person is laying on the ground near the curb where he was getting his head bashed on.

What curb?

Wasn't there just a pedestrian walk path?

Good god.. sidewalk.. curb.. They are made of the same material and can cause the same damage when a head is slammed into it.

Back to my original question: The head "injuries" seem a bit high up on his head.

Your response: Not if head is banged against curb.

My response: What curb? Is there a curb on the pedestrian walkpath?

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You basically acknowledged the "injuries" were high - - by saying "Not if head is banged against a curb".

Call me stupid

Lets try this -
Next time you are in an area with grass and a concrete walkway lie down on the ground with your head close to but not completely on the concrete portion. You will notice that depending on movement, its possible for the high point of the head to be the part of contact while the area below the contact point is missed.

If Zimmerman was punched and went down from that, a backwards falling motion with the forward momentum (forward momentum as in falling backwards at an angle while moving as opposed to falling backwards like a tree being cut down.

I can provide a bunch of other examples of how an injury can occur..

I didn't call you stupid either...

Here are quite a few pictures of the walk way we are referring to. Could you point out where the 'curb' portion of the walk way is?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by pizzanazi75

 

Once again you ignored the request to cite sources to support your accusations.

game over for you..

Now who can't read. I said I was still looking for it. Its a video. I told you I would post it when I found it, and I will. Reread what I wrote, I didn't ignore anything.

Originally posted by dragonridr

Your right but your arguing with people that believe hes guilty.

I've been consistent: IMO Zimmerman created and escalated a situation that resulted in death. Is he guilty of that? Yes. Is he legally guilty? I don't know.

I've stated - I do not believe he meant to kill anyone.

So - - address the post not - - - what you think people believe.
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I asked a simple logical question. "His head "injuries" seem too high on his head".

I was given an answer - - - that does not correlate with his head being banged on a cement walkway.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by pizzanazi75


I haven't heard about him being beaten up when he first moved there. Interesting.

I do find him a little odd myself. But in full disclosure, I feel bad for him. I can tell he is scared s'less. I really do think he is remorseful. I think this was just a horrible occurence that could have been avoided and he should be punished for that.

I agree with your entire post. I think he is basically a good guy - with some problems.

Was he unemployed? Did he get fired because of his Jekyll & Hyde personality?

Did he have brain injury from when he was previously attacked? The records on that are apparently sealed.

How much has his family covered up?

He seems like an accident waiting to happen. If it wasn't Trayvon - - it would be someone else at some point IMO.

I don't suppose any of that will come up in court - - unless somehow they find it relevant to the case.

Its kind of a "wait and see" now.

I think we should take an ATS poll. I don't think this will make it to trial. I think he will plea bargain to a lesser charge, imo. What do you think. You think he will fight it or try and plea?