The Bible Isn't Stupid, We Are

Originally posted by Demigodly
Here's something that needs to be understood/clarified. All prophets, including Nostradamus, Cayce's visions and predictions are based on the GLOBAL COLLECTIVE CONCIOUSNESS AT THE TIME. Therefore subject to change. That's how it works. WE have always been the one's who control our own destiny/fate.

2012 represents the first time in human evolution where over 50% have tipped the scales in achieving a higher conscious awareness and enlightenment.

50%???? And we're still on the brink of world war and economic collapse? Boy, that other 50% must be working overtime.

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Jesus called Peter the rock upon which his church would be built, yet that rock denied three times even knowing him. At one point Jesus said to Peter, "Get thee behind me, Satan." That's not a rock in my book.

Many many more, but I'm tired.

Yes, please stop. You are the exemplary model of the quoted post, you don't understand what you are reading. Actually, let me rephrase that, the Bible at the end of the day is still a book. You don't understand how to read a book. It's an advanced read with much larger and important implications then to me, any other book. And what happens when you have trouble with it? Just like in school you ask for help. Don't be like the people who use this as the bulk of their arsenal against the Bible. Either they are just incompetent or too lazy to answer their own questions. I think you are more intelligent than them.

Oh, you can't be serious, to the point where you're being hilarious! Will someone show me pertinent information from sources other than the bible? Historical evidence? Logical chains of events? Proven and repeatable experiments? Hell, no. Someone will point to one reference in the bible and how it connects to other references in the bible. For the fanatics, historical proof means that someone you like said, "Yes, that really, REALLY happened - a virgin really did get impregnated by a god."

You fanatics need to STOP this insanity!

Originally posted by chr0naut

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by netgamer7k
The OT and NT are the most common ancient texts throughout the world, no one can deny that. To claim it has been changed through the centuries is simply false, because we would be able to identify where and when it was changed due to the massive number of copies.

Just last week I watched a documentary (I think it was called, Riddles of the Bible, I THINK) that showed ancient bibles where the oldest didn't have this part, but the next oldest did have that part. At one point two different christian bibles were being manufactured at the same time for two different parts of the world. I know that at one time God's wife (Ashira?) was in the bible, but because more and more people were worshipping her instead of god, she was deleted.

The Old Testament mentions people who worship Asherah Poles (phallic poles or trees stripped of branches, located in high places and dedicated to the Canaanite goddess Asherah) as worshiping false gods and idols.

In later times this same goddess was also called Astarte or Ishtar. Asherah was the wife of the god Baal, not the Hebrew God.

The Hebrew God never had a wife.

This has never been redacted from the Bible in any version.

I've also watched a documentary on this, but I have this link: www.infobarrel.com...

Originally posted by NaptownBrown
from experience, i have applied the teaching of jesus to my life...and i have witnessed miracles beyond physical explanation. i have witnessed them in others lives too.

how many people posting negatively about the The Bible on this thread have actually read JUST the four gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke, John)? Probably none.

So it is ironic that many of you feel equipped to talk about how fictional the Bible is. Based on what? You can say I have no evidence it is Truth (even though I do), but where is your evidence that it is fiction? You possess none.

You God bashers really go out of your way to make assumptions based on things you have heard rather than actual facts.

Its sad, but if you are so ignorant that you'd rather frown at the The Bible then even read just ONE of the gospels, you obviously have an alterior motive to posting here.

HAHAHAHA! When you say 'facts', do you mean repeatable experiments, historical evidence? What you have is an invisible friend. A child cannot prove she has an invisble friend, but I can't prove she doesn't. All we can say to the little girl is, "You're just being silly."

Miracles beyond physical explanation is called lack of scientific understanding or things we just haven't figured out yet, emphasis on YET.

You keep going on about people not reading the bible. I've forgotten more about the bible than you now know. But, in reverse, I'll suggest that the reason why people like you adhere to the bible is because it's easy. It's ONE book. How about putting that ONE book down and invest years and years to the study of hard, intricate physics, biology (especially evolution), geology... Nah, that's too hard. Much easier to say, a god did it.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


No, not the crusades, the real believers in Bible. Crusades were misunderstanding of the Bible by greedy and power-stirved people. Bible never said that we had to control the world on His name, greedy people did. Go in a real monastery, and ask the monks there if they want to control the world.
Even Jesus said no, when Satan tempted him.

reply to post by jiggerj


We are at war right now. We are at the brink of more wars. We have always been warring, always in a state of unrest. It may yet get worse before it gets better. We are still in our spiritual infancy. We haven't learned much from the past. We haven't suffered enough. Until we do, we are doomed to repeat this madness.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

No, not the crusades, the real believers in Bible. Crusades were misunderstanding of the Bible by greedy and power-stirved people. Bible never said that we had to control the world on His name, greedy people did. Go in a real monastery, and ask the monks there if they want to control the world.
Even Jesus said no, when Satan tempted him.

Jesus never existed.
Satan is part of ancient mythology.

Let's cut the BS, k?

Originally posted by Shierah

Originally posted by thegagefather

Originally posted by Shierah
Matthew 23:1-3 "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

Jesus says many times that the laws of the patriarchs should be followed :/ I'll find more quotes where it says that in the bible if you want them. So its not a question of Jewish or Christian. Jesus intended for "Christians" (not that he intended at the time for some people to all get together and decide what to tell other people about him that may or may not be true) to follow the "Jewish" laws as well. His teachings were "love and do not judge, and I will not judge you" not "do whatever you want and I will not judge you."
However there is the second part, about practicing what you preach, and I believe that Christ (whom you "christians" claim to follow) also said many times, under no uncertain circumstances, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matthew 7:1)
So lets quit using Jesus to hate one another. Thanks "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every
tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat."Genesis 2:16
> "Why do you call me Lord & don't do what I say" Luke 6:46 Why? God willed it that way!
> "Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Re 22:17
>"Therefore, cheer up your hearts, and remember that ye are free to act for yourselves?-to choose the way of everlasting death or the way of eternal life." Nephi 10:23
>"And now remember, remember, my brethren, that whosoever perisheth, perisheth unto himself; and whosoever doeth iniquity, doeth it unto himself; for behold, ye are free; ye are permitted to act for yourselves; for behold, God hath given unto you a knowledge and he hath made you free." Helaman 14:30
>"..at the entrance of the tent of meeting, he should present it of his own FREE WILL before Jehovah [ god`s name]" Leviticus 1:3

O.o misquoting much????
Genesis 2:16>"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every
tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat..." (next verse)"...But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Luke 6:46> "Why do you call me Lord & don't do what I say..." (next 3 verses) "Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."

Originally posted by thegagefather
"Meaning no one can tell you what God's will is."[ Quote by King Nebuchanezzar referring to God`s power, after regaining his sanity] "And all the inhabitants of the earth are being considered as merely nothing, and he is doing according to his own WILL among the army of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth. And there exists no one that can check his hand, or that can say to him, 'What have you been doing?' " Daniel 4:35

Meaning no one can tell you what God's will is.

Have you noticed that this is a quote from the bible? Which is supposedly written by prophets who can speak to God? Sorry that it probably seems cynical when read, I'm not trying to hate on your beliefs or anything, but misquoting is not the way to go when trying to prove something.
But anyways, the point you were trying to prove, I believe anyways. I wasn't saying I believe anything in the Bible at all, I was just talking from an objective theological perspective.

I didn't misquote anything.

God did not tell Adam and Eve to obey any lord but him. God telling Adam and Eve to not eat the apple of knowledge has absolutely nothing to do with obeying your superior - only obeying god.

And no, I actually didn't misquote anything.

All you did was expand what I had already written.

No where in the Bible does it say "follow your patriach"

In fact, many places in the Bible man is advised that his free will is above the will of those around him, that man needs to use his own eyes and judgement to make his decisions, not blindly follow false shephards.

You are wrong, Mr. Bible.

=)

But please, expand more of my "misquotes" in their full versions, which won't actually help your case at all, and then you can act like they do some more.

reply to post by thegagefather

In fact, many places in the Bible man is advised that his free will is above the will of those around him, that man needs to use his own eyes and judgement to make his decisions, not blindly follow false shephards.

Oh really? Here's some scripture for you then:

Proverbs 3:5-6

New International Version (NIV)

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

You just got shot down, sir. Thanks for playing.

reply to post by Shierah



Also, no where in the current 10 commandments does it say "Thou Shalt Follow Thine Patriach"

Nor in the original 613 commandments does it say this.

Please - give me a Jesus quote from someone who never met Jesus to disprove me.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by thegagefather

 

In fact, many places in the Bible man is advised that his free will is above the will of those around him, that man needs to use his own eyes and judgement to make his decisions, not blindly follow false shephards.

Oh really? Here's some scripture for you then:

Proverbs 3:5-6

New International Version (NIV)

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

You just got shot down, sir. Thanks for playing.

AGAIN

I ALREADY SAID the Bible SAYS TO FOLLOW GOD, THE LORD.

THAT IS THE LORD YOU ARE REFERING TO

WHY CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND THIS?!

Does that quote say to "follow your ruling-class patriach"?

No, it doesn't.

You're either not even reading the conversation, or just plain stupid.

Originally posted by thegagefather
Does that quote say to "follow your ruling-class patriach"?

No, it doesn't.

However.. this one does…

Romans 13:1-2 "Tell us to be in subjection to the superior authorities even as we are to God. further, we are to be in relative subjection to kings and governors as they have their positions due to God's allowance."

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by thegagefather
Does that quote say to "follow your ruling-class patriach"?

No, it doesn't.

However.. this one does…

Romans 13:1-2 "Tell us to be in subjection to the superior authorities even as we are to God. further, we are to be in relative subjection to kings and governors as they have their positions due to God's allowance."

Oh geez, another person reading the Book of Romans waaaaay to literally.

(1) The Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20) commands us to preach the Gospel to every person. If rulers forbid our doing what God clearly commands, we do it anyhow, like Peter and John did (Acts 4:13-20).

(2) Jesus prohibits the taking of human life and teaches us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). If rulers command us to take human life, we refuse to do it, like the early church did for three centuries after the time of Christ

The prevailing atmosphere in the New Testament is one of respect for those persons in the places of civil authority. Very seldom does it happen in a nation which is a republic that one is required to do what God’s Word clearly forbids. If we must ever disobey human government, it should be done with a spirit of humility and not in a spirit of defiance.
Something to think about:
Since God is sovereign and His laws are immutable and because He has commanded that we obey civil authority (Romans 13) – to disobey civil authority is to disobey God’s law. But what happens when obedience to civil law would be disobedience to God’s law? Then we are to obey God rather than man. This, however, cannot be used as a salve for the conscience, because to disobey civil law (when in fact obedience clearly would not violate God’s law), would become disobedience to God’s law under Romans 13.

–adapted from a pamphlet by Emmett Lehman,
The Fraud of Civil Disobedience

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by thegagefather
Does that quote say to "follow your ruling-class patriach"?

No, it doesn't.

However.. this one does…

Romans 13:1-2 "Tell us to be in subjection to the superior authorities even as we are to God. further, we are to be in relative subjection to kings and governors as they have their positions due to God's allowance."

So by your logic, if the President says "burn a bible!" the book of Romans told you to listen, so you must --

But wait, if that's not the case, then I suppose you're actually helping my case, in the the LORD god is the only entity Christians must follow. If god says to follow the leaders, but also says that if the leaders go against his word, and all current leaders go against his word in some form or another...

Then I guess that just means there's one person left, huh?

And why did God decide to act in such a peculiar way?

Perhaps it's the fact that he wanted us to use his greatest gift to us - Free Will.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by Demigodly
Here's something that needs to be understood/clarified. All prophets, including Nostradamus, Cayce's visions and predictions are based on the GLOBAL COLLECTIVE CONCIOUSNESS AT THE TIME. Therefore subject to change. That's how it works. WE have always been the one's who control our own destiny/fate.

2012 represents the first time in human evolution where over 50% have tipped the scales in achieving a higher conscious awareness and enlightenment.

50%???? And we're still on the brink of world war and economic collapse? Boy, that other 50% must be working overtime.

Statistically, 50% of all statistics are made up.

Originally posted by thegagefather
Something to think about:
Since God is sovereign and His laws are immutable and because He has commanded that we obey civil authority (Romans 13) – to disobey civil authority is to disobey God’s law. But what happens when obedience to civil law would be disobedience to God’s law? Then we are to obey God rather than man. This, however, cannot be used as a salve for the conscience, because to disobey civil law (when in fact obedience clearly would not violate God’s law), would become disobedience to God’s law under Romans 13.

–adapted from a pamphlet by Emmett Lehman,
The Fraud of Civil Disobedience

Your pamphlet backs up what I am saying.

As long as there is no -direct- violation of God's Law, you are to obey the laws of man.

God didn't grant us second amendment rights. Man did. If man decides to take these rights away, it is not your Christian duty to take them back. It is your christian duty to put you head down and take it.

God like tyranny in his name, as long as those tyrants are following God's law.

Kind of spooky.

So by your logic, if the President says "burn a bible!" the book of Romans told you to listen, so you must --

But wait, if that's not the case, then I suppose you're actually helping my case, in the the LORD god is the only entity Christians must follow. If god says to follow the leaders, but also says that if the leaders go against his word, and all current leaders go against his word in some form or another...

You need to reread Romans before you ask questions, because that is not what the passage says, nor what I am implying. I'm not one of the kids you usually argue your religion. I have probably read more of the bible more times in more languages that you will even be able to comprehend.

I was raising jewish and know Torah in Hebrew.
I converted to Christianity and attended the Seminary.
I left when I realized it was all superstitious musings made to control the minds of the weak.

Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

No, not the crusades, the real believers in Bible. Crusades were misunderstanding of the Bible by greedy and power-stirved people. Bible never said that we had to control the world on His name, greedy people did. Go in a real monastery, and ask the monks there if they want to control the world.
Even Jesus said no, when Satan tempted him.

Monks in those days kill Jews whenever there was an outbreak of disease or a famine.

No joke.

And let's not forget the inquisition, some of whom were monks.

There were also many cases of corruption, greed, torture, rape, and murder within the monk sects of old.



But I guess since they're monks we'll just decide that they're infalleable like jesus. Just like priests.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by thegagefather
Something to think about:
Since God is sovereign and His laws are immutable and because He has commanded that we obey civil authority (Romans 13) – to disobey civil authority is to disobey God’s law. But what happens when obedience to civil law would be disobedience to God’s law? Then we are to obey God rather than man. This, however, cannot be used as a salve for the conscience, because to disobey civil law (when in fact obedience clearly would not violate God’s law), would become disobedience to God’s law under Romans 13.

–adapted from a pamphlet by Emmett Lehman,
The Fraud of Civil Disobedience

Your pamphlet backs up what I am saying.

As long as there is no -direct- violation of God's Law, you are to obey the laws of man.

God didn't grant us second amendment rights. Man did. If man decides to take these rights away, it is not your Christian duty to take them back. It is your christian duty to put you head down and take it.

God like tyranny in his name, as long as those tyrants are following God's law.

Kind of spooky.

edit on 7-4-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Name a politician in any part of the world, and I'll give you an example of them directly disobeying the bible's teachings.

Ignorance to the Bible's teachings is not an excuse for an elect official (who by your logic, is appointed by god, even though we KNOW that isn't true, I'll just humor you anyways) to disobey the Bible.

(Hint: It's every single one of them. Federal - War. Murder. / State Level - Not Respecting Thy Neighbor (mexico, in many cases) / Local - Rampant Corruption, Material Worship)

These are all examples which you cannot ignore, yet will choose to anyways, simply to be right in a fight over whether or not we should follow leaders who aren't following the bible.

"True Christians" are extremely hard to find nowadays, and there's a lot of people who will just blindly follow ANYONE who wears a banner with a cross on it.

Stop being ignorant, dude. You already know the hypocrisy in your argument. It basically says blatantly in the Bible, if a man sins, he is not worthy of the lord, and therefore not worthy of leading other men based upon the lord's word.

Originally posted by thegagefather

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by thegagefather
Something to think about:
Since God is sovereign and His laws are immutable and because He has commanded that we obey civil authority (Romans 13) – to disobey civil authority is to disobey God’s law. But what happens when obedience to civil law would be disobedience to God’s law? Then we are to obey God rather than man. This, however, cannot be used as a salve for the conscience, because to disobey civil law (when in fact obedience clearly would not violate God’s law), would become disobedience to God’s law under Romans 13.

–adapted from a pamphlet by Emmett Lehman,
The Fraud of Civil Disobedience

Your pamphlet backs up what I am saying.

As long as there is no -direct- violation of God's Law, you are to obey the laws of man.

God didn't grant us second amendment rights. Man did. If man decides to take these rights away, it is not your Christian duty to take them back. It is your christian duty to put you head down and take it.

God like tyranny in his name, as long as those tyrants are following God's law.

Kind of spooky.

edit on 7-4-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Name a politician in any part of the world, and I'll give you a direct example of them directly disobeying the bible's teachings.

Ignorance to the Bible's teachings is not an excuse for an elect official (who by your logic, is appointed by god, even though we KNOW that isn't true, I'll just humor you anyways) to disobey the Bible.

I can see you do not even have the basic framework of understanding to know what Rule of Law is, or how THAT is our leader, not our elected government, nor do you have the understand of what Romans or ant book of the Bible is actually saying about anything.

Get a few more years under your belt, and then come back and debate, because I do not feel it is my calling to instruct someone in something I find to be a waste of intellect.