Members of ATS, put up or shut up.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Who said anything about not being willing to use them. I said I would prefer a bloodless revolution, but if it came to it I would be willing to fight. Yes numbers do not mean everything, but size with the proper institution of psychological warfare can be an extremely effective means of battle. Also I do not promote pure Marxism more so a hybrid of libertarian philosophy, and meritocracy, and Marxist style social programs for those who truly need it.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
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Who said anything about not being willing to use them. I said I would prefer a bloodless revolution, but if it came to it I would be willing to fight. Yes numbers do not mean everything, but size with the proper institution of psychological warfare can be an extremely effective means of battle. Also I do not promote pure Marxism more so a hybrid of libertarian philosophy, and meritocracy, and Marxist style social programs for those who truly need it.

This is double think. You cannot have both a libertarian society and a marxist one. They are mutually exclusive and antithetical to each other.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


How so, by allowing people to do as they please as long as no sentient or mobile life is harmed, but helping those who have made bad economic choices in life, get back on their feet. What is your belief libertarianism is because it sounds like social libertarianism, but economic fascism.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
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How so, by allowing people to do as they please as long as no sentient or mobile life is harmed, but helping those who have made bad economic choices in life, get back on their feet. What is your belief libertarianism is because it sounds like social libertarianism, but economic fascism.

Social libertarianism, but FREE MARKET capitalism. By free market, I mean government staying the hell out of the game. Safety regulations, implemented at the state and local level not national or international, being the only exceptions. Monolithic mega corporations could not compete against small, agile, entrepreneurial companies. Corporate personhood would not exist without governmental interference. You are the one telling employers and employees both that they can only work 40 hours no more no less. If they want extra money, work a second job which is another 40 hours, no more no less. No thanks. There is no use rehashing this. You desire marxism, while I desire liberty. You desire one huge world government ordering and controlling everything while I desire very limited government.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


As i have stated that part is negotiable; I will admit not one of my best ideas, but that is what it was an idea. A one world government is not a bad idea. How else are we supposed to unify and explore and colonize space.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
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As i have stated that part is negotiable; I will admit not one of my best ideas, but that is what it was an idea.

It isn't just the 40 hour thing, it is the international control of private enterprise that I oppose.

A one world government is not a bad idea.

I vehemently disagree. One world governance isa horrendous idea. How can policies for one region work for another? We see these problems already here in the US. Do some basic research. Governance should be as local and unobtrusive as possible.

How else are we supposed to unify and explore and colonize space.

Yeah, because governments have done such a wonderful job so far 40 years ago we were on the moon. Now we have no space program. Privatize space exploration. The asteroid belt and the moons of the various planets likely have an abundance of minerals. We already know there is water out there. Get the damn governments out of the way.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


where did I state government control of enterprise, don't put words in my mouth. The only world rules would be rules such as no murder, no mutilation, equal rights, etc. I agree space exploration should be private, but there should be certain limits on it. The only part of a space program that should be government funded in my opinion is a space elevator, due to the fact that it would have to be considered infrastructure.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
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where did I state government control of enterprise, don't put words in my mouth. The only world rules would be rules such as no murder, no mutilation, equal rights, etc. I agree space exploration should be private, but there should be certain limits on it. The only part of a space program that should be government funded in my opinion is a space elevator, due to the fact that it would have to be considered infrastructure.

The World Issues Committee retain's the right to regulate fair and just banking, and business practices. No business shall remain intact, unless they are to follow the practices as following.

You said it here

Safety regulations, implemented at the state and local level not national or international, being the only exceptions.

you said the same thing on small scale, rather than my large scale of thinking. What do you think would happen in a space based economy if their was only local and state laws. With your idea it would recreate the same problem on a galactic scale.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
Safety regulations, implemented at the state and local level not national or international, being the only exceptions.

you said the same thing on small scale, rather than my large scale of thinking. What do you think would happen in a space based economy if their was only local and state laws. With your idea it would recreate the same problem on a galactic scale.

I said it that way because large scale, 1 large government leads to excessive corruption. On a local scale, if the dictates of a local government become to onerous, you can move. OTOH, if your poor safety practices or dangerous products hurt people you will be quickly out of business due to loss of customers and civil suits. With locally based governance and locally based companies, reaction will be quicker and easier. There would also be many fewer BS laws for companies to try to figure out. Decentralized government is better for freedom loving people then monolithic centralized government. Centralized government is more easily corrupted and swayed by the faceless PTB.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Except the style of government I put forward required no human intervention, beyond the possibility of updating laws. Therefore that point is moot. I can see that we agree on most things, but that I'm trying to think for more of a government that can be implemented on multiple planets.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
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Except the style of government I put forward required no human intervention, beyond the possibility of updating laws. Therefore that point is moot. I can see that we agree on most things, but that I'm trying to think for more of a government that can be implemented on multiple planets.

Having the exact same government on multiple planets would be even worse. Decentralized government governing as little as possible is best. I forgot about your "computer rulership" thing. Again, no thanks. I prefer no overlords at all.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
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Except the style of government I put forward required no human intervention, beyond the possibility of updating laws. Therefore that point is moot. I can see that we agree on most things, but that I'm trying to think for more of a government that can be implemented on multiple planets.

I'm sure ET is waiting with baited breath for you to tell them how to run their planet......

Really....I mean really......

Des

reply to post by KwisatzHaderach


How long before corruption seeps into the civilian force? 1 day maybe 2? Corruption is the constantand no government or force can exist without it. Power feeds corruption...

reply to post by hanyak69


Even with robots ruling the world ..Someone has to program them.....Look at robocop they were still corrupt.
There will always be special interest groups, lobbyists, etc...... Everybody thinks their issue is more important than all of the other issues. If your issue only affects you then you will stand alone. When they take our rights away then we must join together but we won't cause unless it affects us we don't care.....This is how most people see it.

reply to post by NullVoid


Yeah you know, the people who get rich off of people suffering?

reply to post by Destinyone


Ya I was thinking more a terraformed mars and turning the moon into a space dockyards. Why does anybody that promotes space colonization have to be labeled as an alien believer. I personally believe they are probably out their, but we lack the necessary empirical evidence to prove such.

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Did you read my other thread, I said computers not robots. Computers don't think, they process in ones and zeros. Personally my view is we should have idiot savants run the system. That way they can't understand the concept of corruption.

Before America "democratized" Vietnam, the highest authority dwelt in the village Hamlet. The concept of a Capital City (Centralized Government) was unknown to them. Unnecessary proclamations from some body, some place hundreds of miles away meant little to the people busy about their day to day tasks. The Hamlet was complete in and of itself. If there was trouble, someone rang the bell and everyone came running. All matters were decided at the village level... by all.

Free trade and good relations existed between nearby hamlets as well as wives and husbands. There was only the simple existence that all worked hard and were "content". This a simplified description of their pre American existence, and not all inclusive with French influence and all.

That's partly why they were easy to subjugate because they had no centralized ideas of organization and defense. That's why America took advantage of them just as long as was po$$ible. If you want an idea about a better way of existence, look there. And weep because this kind of life is vulnerable to attack by predator nations.

Look at Afghanistan's tribal structure to see the vulnerabilities to invasion there as well.
If they are divided they can be "conquered"..

i dont live in the US and ive been watching all the occupy protests and such we in Australia are being shafted also i had this idea a few months ago think about the one hand clapping scenario if we could somehow get it out that on a certain day we may feel to ill to go to work to ill to by fuel for our transport to sick to by smokes and alcohol is out of the question ! i just wonder how much that would cost the mothers who are ripping us off in taxes now how passive can we be we are not on strike we are just not well . have a think about it !!