Members of ATS, put up or shut up.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

All right you put forward ideas I agree with you on some, but how do we institute such change. I have seen few ideas on such, and when put forward they are slammed by the masses.

I already posted two "hows" in this very thread. 1) Water the Tree, 2) Everybody go on a general strike. Do not work, do not buy anything except food and TP. Without our active participation, they cannot stand.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by Klassified

 

That is possible I admit when I am wrong, and reform my opinion. That is the beauty of being human I and others make others. I accept criticism graciously. Yet, when a good idea that has been well thought out is ignored and attacked maliciously it annoys me.

What idea? Maybe your solution was "distasteful" to those you proposed it to? If you proposed an idea in this thread, I missed it.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


I do not reject it out of hand, I reject it due to the fact that it contains no manner in which such ideas can be established. An idea has no credence if it cannot be implemented.

reply to post by AscendingPhoenix


Yes it would, but our government and police forces no longer care about us. It will require we the people to act not, federal agencies. Yet people do not wish to do this.

reply to post by loam


Yes that is why we must overcome our differences, because change is hard, but it is necessary. Education is action of the mind. Action of the body is also required in such times as we live in.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


See sugar coated words, how do you propose we water the tree of liberty. Strikes are all well and good except the fact that the ultra-rich can outlast the average person. Did we not learn in world war one, that a war of attrition gets us nowhere. Also you posted in my other thread. You automatically skipped over all but the last three sentences, and argued over parts that were labeled as being negotiable and subject to change.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

See sugar coated words, how do you propose we water the tree of liberty. Strikes are all well and good except the fact that the ultra-rich can outlast the average person. Did we not learn in world war one, that a war of attrition gets us nowhere. Also you posted in my other thread. You automatically skipped over all but the last three sentences, and argued over parts that were labeled as being negotiable and subject to change.

Sorry, but I do not remember your thread. I read dozens ot threads on multiple sites every day. Link?

Do you know where the phrase "Water the Tree of Liberty" comes from? There is a very thin coat of sugar there. It is actually pretty explicit if you know the reference.

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Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
Action of the body is also required in such times as we live in.

Says who? You?

I don't like at all calls for violence, if that is what you are implying. The world is hell enough...

I swear people have no clue what they are saying....

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I do not know how to poste links it is in my profile under citizens of the world. I looked up the reference, the reason I didn't know it was I am more of a Ben Franklin, and Nathan Hale fan. Never the less it means the same as what I am saying revolution. Only I would prefer that no blood is shed.

reply to post by loam


I am not calling for violence, but preferably a bloodless revolution, due to superior numbers.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by KwisatzHaderach

 

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
Action of the body is also required in such times as we live in.

Says who? You?

I don't like at all calls for violence, if that is what you are implying. The world is hell enough...

I swear people have no clue what they are saying....

My friend, while education is an excellent first step action of some sort must follow it. Why educate yourself to no purpose? We cannot oppose TPTB without some sort of action.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


Action and violence are not equivalents.

I have no problem with action. I have every problem with violence.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by loam

 

I am not calling for violence, but preferably a bloodless revolution, due to superior numbers.

IMO, the only way that would work is if everybody stops all economic activity for a prolonged period of time.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


In my opinion they only way it would happen is an armed storming of the capital, and persons of economic interest that have supported and funded the corrupted officials. But I will agree with you actual action must be taken, passive resistance has obviously failed.

reply to post by KwisatzHaderach
Ahh, I read your post. I rejected it because it was antithetical to my desire for personal freedom and liberty. Why exchange one set of chains for another?

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

In my opinion they only way it would happen is an armed storming of the capital, and persons of economic interest that have supported and funded the corrupted officials. But I will agree with you actual action must be taken, passive resistance has obviously failed.

That would not be "bloodless", which is what you said you preferred. Or did I misapprehend your meaning?

reply to post by DarthMuerte


How so is it unethical, and binding to others.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


If a large group of armed people outnumbering the defending forces was to encircle the city, and to send up a call to all those but the specified group, that they will be pardoned due the fact that they were tricked, most if not all forces would lay down their arms.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

How so is it unethical, and binding to others.

We discussed that in your other thread. You offer a modified form of marxism. I oppose marxism.

Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

If a large group of armed people outnumbering the defending forces was to encircle the city, and to send up a call to all those but the specified group, that they will be pardoned due the fact that they were tricked, most if not all forces would lay down their arms.

Uhmm... No. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but taking up arms without having the will to use them is pure foolishness. Also, numbers do not guarantee victory in and of itself.