Tip Of The Iceberg--The Beginning Of The End For Britain? {Brit returns hometown 2 assess Muslim}

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Seriously?

You're bringing up ancient religious text and using that to explain the average Muslim of today?

You appear to be unaware that the world's Muslims take that ancient religious text, the "Koran" rather seriously.

Are you aware that

Jihad makes up
• 24% of the Medinan Koran,
• 21% of the Hadith and
• 67% of the Sira.

CSP Publishing:- "Trilogy Text Devoted to Jihad"

Originally posted by Sinny
reply to post by Patifier

 

THEY DON'T DESERVE ANY THING FROM THE ENGLISH PEOPLE APART FROM A SLAP AROUND THE FACE AND A KICK UP THE ARSE OUTA THIS COUNTRY.

THEY CAME TO ENGLAND. THEY DONT LIKE IT F*CK OF!!!

I DONT KNOW WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT IT.

IF I WAS THAT WOMEN I WOULD HAVE FOUND IT REALLY HARD NOT TO CHANT SOME SH*T BACK.

edit on 30-3-2012 by Sinny because: (no reason given)

I understand your frustration, really. But let me put an analogy to clarify my point of view on the issue:

Imagine you are disabled and bound to a wheelchair, you bought tickets for you and your family to a concert in another country. When you get there you find out that they have no access to wheelchairs. You are entitled to a refund and if you sue you'll probably win.

England made the fist mistake to let them in and later to allow fundamentalism to flourish.

Originally posted by jbmitch
reply to post by ComeFindMe
[more
Try this on for the benefits for Islam ..Radical Anti-Western:
Amercian solider serving in Afghanistan was ran over and subsquenctly died,, by an American Army convoy trying to save an AFghan child from being ran over. SEcurity reports the family was paid $300 USD to put their child out in harms way in an effort to stop convoys. You want this type of fanaticism to rule your country? Yes, rule your county...Iatollahs, Immahs...mullahs. I wanted to travel to England on my next break.. but thats because I want to get away from Islam..muslims and enjoy the freedoms of a western world..guess I need to visit another country...

Do we really need to go down this path and for me to bring up the following facts...

The USA and its allies invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to steal their Oil. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dead, and thousands are still dying from the affects of the weapons used against innocent civilians.

Recently, an America soldier murdered civilians in their homes after going on a rampage.

American military have been filmed torturing people in their custody, humiliating them, maiming them and braking international laws.

The USA tortured detainees. The UK assisted.

US military have been filmed urinating on the bodies of dead Muslims.

I could go on. But I'll save you the embarrassment.

The fact is, people here seem to enjoy raising instances of Islamic extremism when it suits their argument, and raising issues such as the one you have brought up. But those same people conveniently ignore all the injustices perpetrated against those people by your own government and military.

It goes both ways. America and the UK are by no means innocent in all of this, and yet a lot of people like to cherry-pick little instances to attack what they see as a threat, while ignoring everything their "side" (for want of a better term) has done too.

reply to post by Sinny


Starred for your fighting spirit.

They (The Muslims) aren't in great numbers over in my neck of the woods yet.

How about where you are?

Are they getting roudy, forceful, obnoxious?

Just curious.............

It has been a BIG mistake to let this fester in our communities.... if something isnt done soon all hell is gona break loose!!

We are gonna have mass brawls in the streets.... i see it coming!!

In fact i saw it about 12 years ago.

Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by Sinny

 

Im from your neck of the woods..

Had not lived there for over twenty years due to military service.. When I came back I was disgusted that we had allowed our area to become haven for these god awful maniacs..

I am also in the TA now, so we may have crossed paths

The church I grew up in is now a fricken mosque! Every shop looks like it came directly out of Pakistan.. I took my missuses kids to cannon hill park last weekend.. The little fella was disappointed to find out that those ladies in burqas were NOT ninjas, after commenting and being excited that the park was full of ninjas!

(that was embarrassing and funny)...

We do need to put a stop to this if we are to retain our country..

Only those who live in leafy suburbs away from it all think not..

you know what?,...IF they are doing this now, while they are still a minority, how do you think they are going to treat you and your fellow brits after they increase in numbers?

Originally posted by Taz2122
...your so-called prophet was a pedophile, war-mongering, bigoted slaver. This is according to your "holy scriptures" so don't even try to deny it.

What sort of 'man of peace' was Muhammad? One who ordered people burnt to death for not praying.

The following is a religious Hadith sacred to Sunni Muslims who make up 80-90% of all Muslims worldwide.

Bukhari (11:626)

- "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses.'"

Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for prayer.

www.quranexplorer.com...

Muhammad led the 'perfect life' according to Muslims.

To emulate his acts is the highest thing a Muslim can do.

People really should study what Islam is before they defend it.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Seriously?

You're bringing up ancient religious text and using that to explain the average Muslim of today?

You appear to be unaware that the world's Muslims take that ancient religious text, the "Koran" rather seriously.

And you appear to be unaware that there is more than one American politician right now proclaiming that his Bible is the way forward and that gay people should not have rights. These men use Bible quotes to justify their homophobia.
These men are running for office.

Are you also aware that while the majority of the UK is secular, we have a Christian in office who would like to use the taxes of others to give married couples social and economic superiority?

Once again, it's very easy to pick and choose an instance to cast a generalization across a people or a nation. And that is exactly what most in this discussion are doing right now.

It's shameful to see such intolerance in a community that suggests it's more enlightened than the rest of the ignorant sheep out there. It seems we have just as many ignorant sheep in our little community too.

Originally posted by detachedindividualThe USA and its allies invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to steal their Oil. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dead, and thousands are still dying from the affects of the weapons used against innocent civilians.

Bin Laden flew two airliners full of people into two skyscrapers before the USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your attempts at spinning Islamic terrorism are embarrassing.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Starred your post because you clearly and intelligently show what happens when church and state are allowed to bed down together.

Everyone should be allowed to choose their religion and partner as long as children and animals are not harmed.



Again, why in the heck can't everyone just play nice and stop the bullying and that exactly is what anyone that tries to force their marriage or religious beliefs on another is, is a bully.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Once again, it's very easy to pick and choose an instance to cast a generalization across a people or a nation. And that is exactly what most in this discussion are doing right now.

Are you aware that about 4,000 British Muslims have been trained by the Taliban?

MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training.

www.independent.co.uk...

Incidently, British passport holders don't need a visa to enter the US.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by jbmitch
reply to post by ComeFindMe
[more
Try this on for the benefits for Islam ..Radical Anti-Western:
Amercian solider serving in Afghanistan was ran over and subsquenctly died,, by an American Army convoy trying to save an AFghan child from being ran over. SEcurity reports the family was paid $300 USD to put their child out in harms way in an effort to stop convoys. You want this type of fanaticism to rule your country? Yes, rule your county...Iatollahs, Immahs...mullahs. I wanted to travel to England on my next break.. but thats because I want to get away from Islam..muslims and enjoy the freedoms of a western world..guess I need to visit another country...

Do we really need to go down this path and for me to bring up the following facts...

The USA and its allies invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to steal their Oil. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dead, and thousands are still dying from the affects of the weapons used against innocent civilians.

Recently, an America soldier murdered civilians in their homes after going on a rampage.

American military have been filmed torturing people in their custody, humiliating them, maiming them and braking international laws.

The USA tortured detainees. The UK assisted.

US military have been filmed urinating on the bodies of dead Muslims.

I could go on. But I'll save you the embarrassment.

The fact is, people here seem to enjoy raising instances of Islamic extremism when it suits their argument, and raising issues such as the one you have brought up. But those same people conveniently ignore all the injustices perpetrated against those people by your own government and military.

It goes both ways. America and the UK are by no means innocent in all of this, and yet a lot of people like to cherry-pick little instances to attack what they see as a threat, while ignoring everything their "side" (for want of a better term) has done too.

that is a false equivalency and you know it...these muslims came to england of their own free will with the desire to live their live there. they did not come to england to fight as soldiers.....on second thought...maybe this is what is all about. they see the english as the enemy, and this is the way they are going to wage war....good luck to you, mates. there are people here in the states that are pulling for you.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

You need to separate the Muslims, from the Islamic Extremists and the Sharia Law bunch. Muslims are not the problem, but I agree fully the small percentage who are a problem are likely the ones causing the issues.

I have quite a few Muslim acquaintances here and none of them are into the radical aspects of the Muslim Faith. They came here to get away from them in fact.

QFT.

So can I now go to Youtube and post a video of Fred Phelps and his lunatic fringe group and suggest that the radical Right-Wing Christians are taking over America, and that ALL Christians are homophobic, racist, hateful, violent retards?

Can I use one of their ten second soundbites to tarnish an entire group of people, and suggest that it is the same across an entire nation?

Can I use that to warn people that there will soon be Christian controlled concentration camps and religious courts where gay people are put to death, Muslims are enslaved and non-believers imprisoned?

No, I can't do that, because I am not a complete idiot who is trying to stir up racial and religious hatred based on insignificant events where the story is manipulated to exaggerate a point.

I know that there are, unfortunately, a lot of other idiots on these forums who fall for this BS and think that seeing one video means something more than it actually does. I pity them, because they don't live in the real world the rest of us inhabit. They'll read a BS headline in a trash mag and believe it, they'll listen to a neo-Nazi and think he has a point, they'll see a video like this and extend that belief to encompass millions of people...

Funny how the motto here is "deny ignorance" when so many seem all too willing to embrace it at every opportunity.

FYI, I'm totally not surprised that this forum is looked on with suspicion when it comes to extremist views (as some have suggested it is). Threads like this make it clear that there are some in our community who are propagators of intolerance and baseless propaganda.

I like your idea a lot. In fact, I think it would make for a great experiment to see if that would actually work. I don't think that would make you an idiot for trying it out. In fact, it might be interesting to see how people react to a video like that.

reply to post by BO XIAN


You're propogating racial profiling and hatered.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by detachedindividualThe USA and its allies invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to steal their Oil. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people are dead, and thousands are still dying from the affects of the weapons used against innocent civilians.

Bin Laden flew two airliners full of people into two skyscrapers before the USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your attempts at spinning Islamic terrorism are embarrassing.

edit on 30-3-2012 by ollncasino because: grammar

Really, Bin Laden was on a plane?

Thank you for exposing the stupidity of this argument.

You have boiled it down once again to a single act, and then justify everything since then, blaming an entire people.

I'm guessing you're one of those people who thinks 911 was planned by every single Muslim on the planet? Did they all take training to carry it out? Maybe they all had a big fund-raiser to put the select few blamed for it through flight training?

I'm done, there is no point in trying to sensibly discuss and debate with people who are so unreasonable. There are some on these forums who are simply too radical to ever see common sense or reason.

In my opinion there are indeed groups of people we should be concerned about, and for me it's not the widely peaceful attendee's of a Mosque, it's the ones who equate a religion with terrorism and use that as an excuse to stir up hatred and intolerance.

Edit:

And when I state those "who equate a religion with terrorism" I mean the burgeoning neo-Nazi brigade and the religious radical's who use their religion as an excuse to murder.
Both are dangerous, but right now I see a greater threat from the rabid nationalists who are believing this BS and threaten the rest of us intelligent people with the rise of their ignorance.

reply to post by FOXMULDER147

Immigration into the UK grew massively under Blair's government, by 3 million actually. The reason was twofold:

1) Votes. A new immigrant to the country is almost always going to vote for the party that let him into the country. Millions more immigrants = millions more votes.

2) To undermine the Right (Conservatives). A diverse, multicultural society is going to render conservative traditional values old fashioned and backwards

Don't know whereabouts in the UK you live, if at all you do, but surely you realise that the vast majority of militant Muslims are second and third generation Muslims who were actually born in this country.

Of course New Labour and their social engineering policies haven't helped things but to blame them alone is slightly unfair.

And for the record, previous administrations also had open door immigration poilicies and despite all the soundbites the current government has done relatively very little to alter this policy.

Any analysis of the world wide spread of Islamic extremism would surely conclude that the reasons are many and complicated.
Despite the desire to apportion blame on whatever door suits an individuals pre-conceived ideas or dogma the facts are that most parties should accept varying amounts of responsibility.
Unfortunately, far too many people can't bear to be truthful with themselves and search for scapegoats without even an element of self-examination etc.

Of course there is a problem in the UK with creeping Islamification which needs to be addressed as a matter of priority.
But it is not as widepsread as many would have you believe.

Nationally Muslims account for approximately 4.5% of the population.
However, London is not known as Londonistan for nothing and if you were to visit certain areas in The Midland, North West England and parts of Yorkshire you would think this figure remarkably low.
And those tend to be the areas where the majority of domestic problems with Muslim extremists and creeping Islamification occur.
But the vast majority of the UK have far smaller Muslim communities with little or no issues with extremists etc.

reply to post by Freeborn


I would also add (and i hate New Labour and Blair, not old Labour though) that this increase in numbers was from EU member states rather than Muslim states. Quite an important distinction considering what this thread is about!