Tip Of The Iceberg--The Beginning Of The End For Britain? {Brit returns hometown 2 assess Muslim}

reply to post by seenavv


erm....no it would not. I take it the baptist church has always been there.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by seenavv

 

erm....no it would not. I take it the baptist church has always been there.

so what they always been there, thats not my point

[off topic video removed]

rofl, you people think the muslims are taking over

your so called "christian" countries have been meddling and bombing the # out of middle east countries for decades

reply to post by seenavv


the point of this thread is about a lass who has returned to her home town to find it, quite literally, radically altered in a negative and backward thinking way.....what's right with that?

reply to post by old_god

That had nothing to do with being a good Samaritan for me, that had everything to do with acting on what I had learned from those early days of what a Muslim is.

I am not a Muslim, do not embrace the ideology, but I have stopped to help many people in my time, of different religions, different ethnic groups.

The U.S. has a long history of helping people in need, in helping one's neighbors. This does not come from some Muslim influence.

This willingness to help others exists in plenty of other beliefs systems, most of them if I am not mistaken.

It is good that you see this side of Islam, but do you also see the side that Non-Muslims see in Islam? Are you able to understand our concerns about a religion that insists on pushing its beliefs on all others.

Catholicism was once that way, and we succeeded in breaking the religion of its intolerance, although on a regular basis the Catholic Church demonstrates that it can not be trusted, and yet people still show up on Sundays and put money in the pot.

So do you have any suggestion as to how to deal with the radicals among Islam?

If you have true faith in what you believe to be a good religion, then I would imagine you would want to do something about this problem.

reply to post by seenavv


##snip## all religious extremism (including Christianity).....even atheism. Each to their own.....as long as they do not impose their beliefs and culture on me and on mine.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by seenavv

 

##snip## all religious extremism (including Christianity).....even atheism. Each to their own.....as long as they do not impose their beliefs and culture on me and on mine.

Except that's precisely what muslims are doing.

reply to post by BO XIAN


I've been reading Rumi lately. I notice that much of his language reflects the life of Christ. Not only does Rumi, the Islamic Sufi, mention Jesus directly in many places, but he also talks of many of the stories that are mentioned in the Gospel of the New Testament. Rumi, the Islamic Sufi, also speaks of the message of Love for others that is God's intention for all true believers.

With that said, Jesus is one of the Muslim's messengers. Did he have a message? Yes. That message was to love your neighbor, even your enemies. The story of the good Samaritan in Luke 10 is a prime example. Jesus states that to gain eternal life, you must believe and love God and also love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus goes on to state that your neighbor is even your enemy.

Knowing this message of the messenger, we can deduce a few things about the Qur'an and its message to the world. Knowing that the main messenger to the world said to love your neighbor as a demonstration of your love for God, we can see clearly that the Qur'an becomes the book of judgment against the person who fails to follow this message. Going beyond this dilemma for the Muslim, we can also see that Issac (Israel) is its brother. Since God established the family, filial love should override all else. Even common men loves their family, as the Bible states. The true believer must love their enemies.

Jesus had a message. That message is clear. It is my hope and prayer that the Muslims and the people of Israel eventually see Jesus as their own kinsman. They may care to also know that Christians already follow the message of Jesus Gospel. Love is the fulfillment of all law. Without love, God is missing from their faith. God is love.

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

I've been reading Rumi lately. I notice that much of his language reflects the life of Christ. Not only does Rumi, the Islamic Sufi, mention Jesus directly in many places, but he also talks of many of the stories that are mentioned in the Gospel of the New Testament. Rumi, the Islamic Sufi, also speaks of the message of Love for others that is God's intention for all true believers.

With that said, Jesus is one of the Muslim's messengers. Did he have a message? Yes. That message was to love your neighbor, even your enemies. The story of the good Samaritan in Luke 10 is a prime example. Jesus states that to gain eternal life, you must believe and love God and also love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus goes on to state that your neighbor is even your enemy.

Knowing this message of the messenger, we can deduce a few things about the Qur'an and its message to the world. Knowing that the main messenger to the world said to love your neighbor as a demonstration of your love for God, we can see clearly that the Qur'an becomes the book of judgment against the person who fails to follow this message. Going beyond this dilemma for the Muslim, we can also see that Issac (Israel) is its brother. Since God established the family, filial love should override all else. Even common men loves their family, as the Bible states. The true believer must love their enemies.

Jesus had a message. That message is clear. It is my hope and prayer that the Muslims and the people of Israel eventually see Jesus as their own kinsman. They may care to also know that Christians already follow the message of Jesus Gospel. Love is the fulfillment of all law. Without love, God is missing from their faith. God is love.

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

edit on 30-3-2012 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)

Except all of that, ALL OF IT IS BOLLOCKS.
I am an atheist always have been, always will be.

But that will never change the fact that islam is complete and utter evil.

reply to post by seenavv



WHEN

you document the 1.2 BILLION members of the Wesboro church

please get back to me.

or even 1 million pretend Chrisitans anywhere in a group agreeing with such things . . .

Those straw dog arguments won't hunt.

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by seenavv

 

the point of this thread is about a lass who has returned to her home town to find it, quite literally, radically altered in a negative and backward thinking way.....what's right with that?

Yes, yes I #ing have. I and many over people are not happy about it.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

I've been reading Rumi lately. I notice that much of his language reflects the life of Christ. Not only does Rumi, the Islamic Sufi, mention Jesus directly in many places, but he also talks of many of the stories that are mentioned in the Gospel of the New Testament. Rumi, the Islamic Sufi, also speaks of the message of Love for others that is God's intention for all true believers.

With that said, Jesus is one of the Muslim's messengers. Did he have a message? Yes. That message was to love your neighbor, even your enemies.

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

edit on 30-3-2012 by EnochWasRight because: (no reason given)

Heres the problem with that. I have heard other Islamist saying that God does not have a Son in the Quran. Now correct me if I am wrong but God in the Christian Bible HAD A son named Jesus. SO who is right? The Quran was written after the bible about 600 yrs later. Muhammed saw this as a oppurtunity to CO OP the bible to give it more legitimacy and in turn more followers. Yes Sufi speaks of the message of love for others for all true beleivers(of islam and the enemies a chance to convert out of love)
The statement that Jesus is just a prophet and God had no Son does not jive according to Comparisions of both books.

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Listen mate, you're treating this like something that was actually wrtten. Well I've got news for you. None of it was.
No wonder this site is full of lunatics.

the video shows an intolerance for peoples beliefs and rights. you have a group of people who think their beliefs are more valid and it gives them the right to go around telling people of other beliefs how they should live and dress etc, and gives them the right to prejudge people of different beliefs.

the people in the video are no different to any other group of people who do the same, and there have been many examples throughout history all the way up to the present day of this occurring.

it is not limited and never will be limited to Muslims, i have had my fair share of the same treatment from some Christians due to me not believing in god and have been told on many occasions i am going to hell and have been prejudged by them to for simply not believing.

i also come from what some would term a commoner family, and when i lived in a highly posher part of the u.k. in the south, the outcome again from some people was the same, they thought they were better than me and could prejudged me.

it is called ignorance, prejudging other people due to a difference, it does not matter what the difference is, it is the same thing most people do, whether they are judging a fat person or skinny person or a old guy or young guy or a person who wears a suit or a person or wears a hoodie, or their belief or their class the list is endless.

it is simply people showing their ignorance again, only this time it happens to be a bunch of Muslims in the u.k. who do not represent all Muslims.

Originally posted by Gazmeister
reply to post by yuppa

 

Listen mate, you're treating this like something that was actually wrtten. Well I've got news for you. None of it was.
No wonder this site is full of lunatics.

Well thank you for Calling me a Lunatic. Its not like SLANDER is a crime is it?

Well for a imaginary book it sure is heavy. I assume you are comenting on this sentence,"Muhammed saw this as a oppurtunity to CO OP the bible to give it more legitimacy and in turn more followers." THAT is th eonly part i speculated on. The rest is written about in both Books,and it does not change the fact it is even if you do not beleive in it which is your right,and I will not force my religion on you. But if this topic offends you just ignore any post mentioning religion or dont post in the thread. Its simple as that.

reply to post by old_god


Your posts in this thread have been excellent; calm, and well-articulated. You are Muslim, and what that means to you philosophically is commendable, based on the story you told in the post I am replying to.

So I ask you, what advice do you have for Western civilization in this matter?

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by seenavv

 

WHEN

you document the 1.2 BILLION members of the Wesboro church

please get back to me.

or even 1 million pretend Chrisitans anywhere in a group agreeing with such things . . .

Those straw dog arguments won't hunt.

Are you implying 1.2 billion muslims around the world behave like this?

There are extremists everywhere, christians, muslims, ones who don't follow religion at all

I just find it hypocritical to say "[muslims] the beginning of the end for britain" when Britain and its allies have been responsible for the slaughter and enslavement of millions of muslims abroad.
From colonization, funding, theft of natural resources, direct intervention, bombing, and coups

The only difference is these so called "christians" nations label it differently: "democracy" and "freedom"

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by Auricom

 

Excellent points.

I don't believe that . . . when one averages things out across all the Muslim immigration into the West . . . that the assertion that

"it's a small minority" is quite accurate. I suspect the percentages would be sizeable.

An interesting empirical issue. If you find the stats, please let me know.


As a Norwegian myself I think he is correct.. I recall when we had a rape wave and had people trying to bring this issue into light, and hardly any Muslims showed up to support the victims. But plenty of them always shows up to show their SUPPORT when some extremist hold a speech where he threatens the Norwegian people saying that we should all die.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


Nice, but it still doesn't answer the question of what to do about the radicals who seem dead set on out breeding everyone on the planet, and then forcing their religious extremism down our grandchildren's throats.

So would love your neighbor also include saving him from himself? There is always a slipper slope.

At what point does having a half a dozen kids with current growth in the world population make sense?

What do we do about honor killings?

What do we do about idiots blowing themselves up killing innocent people because their wack job religious leaders convinced them that this was right.

Europe doesn't need more people. In fact, they would be better off if the population declined for awhile.

That would be something to talk about.

reply to post by BO XIAN

Originally posted by BO XIAN
the inaccuraces about Christianity and history;

Which would those be? I'm a Christian.

Why dont the Muslims that have a Problem get the Flunk out of the UK Then

go back to your Cultured to your Needs Country ! Simple as that ....

instead of Being Parasitic

It seems to me from theTalks that they are trying to Middleasternize the UK

Put some Clothes On ?? LOL

Tell her to come to America on Collage Spring Break at the Beaches California , Florida Etc..

She may be in a World of Shock !!

Well I would Show an Example of what she Would See

but I dont know what the Owners of this Site Would Say of the Rules and Policy's here on this Site
of What Degrees

but.... Here is a Video that was On MTV Long Ago


California Girls [HD] - David Lee Roth


Ohh I LOVE the Expression of the 2 Muslim's Face's when the See a California Girl!!

Or the Original Band that song that Song with the Still Bikini California Girls

BEACH BOYS California Girls 1965






If your Culture Conflict's with the Country you live in go to the One that Suits you...

THE WEST IS THE BEST !!

Get here and we will do the Rest ...

: Jim Morrison : The Doors