I think I'll be tossing my micro now...

reply to post by Starchild23


...and you forgot, sterility of the containers and contaminants in the room. When pruning and caring for the plants, which one did she touch first? Did other contaminants on her hands rub off on the first plant touched?

My goodness...and people are going to chuck their wave just because of a ridiculous uncontrolled "experiment" ???

I say, go ahead. Chuck'em. More electricity for rest of the world, and, it will make the greenie weenies very happy indeed!

Originally posted by Chadwickus
I can appreciate the effort and sentiment here but you're not going to get proper results with 2 test plants.

Need at least 1000 of each and a very controlled environment.

I'd settle for 50 of each, in a 10x10 pattern, alternating range-boiled and microwave-boiled fed plants. All plants would be clones taken from the same mother plant, planted in a homogenous soil. Distilled water from same source. Refractometer testing w/controlled and filtered intake w/co2 meter and runoff testing. Temp and humidity controlled--as best you could in a greenhouse. Postmortem soil testing done by local uni. All feeding done 100% the same aside from mode of water boiling.

If this test caused all 50 microwave water fed plants to die and all 50 range water fed lived and thrived, I'd toss out my microwave.

I'm not saying I wouldn't mind a full blown 1000 plant-per setup, but a smaller test like I described is practical for a home gardener--and would convince me just fine.

reply to post by phantomjack


You do realize if people weren't using microwaves, they'd be using appliances that use much more energy, right?


Whether or not it kills plants shouldn't be a factor in keeping it or not. Microwaved water =/= food.

But if the water did kill the plants, it'd be a good indicator to ditch the microwave.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by lacrimosa

 

Indeed.

Did you know chocolate can cause cancer? Yeah. Thing is, you have to eat a full car-sized load of it. Even then, the chances of actually getting cancer are uncertain, and you'll barf it up before that anyway.

The point is, there is a noticeable lack of statistics and numbers in this research. How about we wait for the big boys at Harvard and Stanford to do their own tests before we make any calls on whether our beloved technology is doing more harm than good.

After all, we're taking it on faith that her tests were fool proof. I see no data other than her conclusions. Derp much?

Sure thing, champ. You wait for TPTB via the MSM to tell you if it's OK. Good luck with that. Let me know how that works out. As far as I'm concerned, this is proof enough.

And it specifically says they repeated the experiment several times with the same results. Guess what? You could repeat it yourself and see what happens! Imagine that!

I'm going to go ahead and repeat this experiment, though I'm pretty confident the results will be the same. I always have instinctively known there was something wrong about microwaving food. I stopped doing it about twenty years ago. And, strangely enough, I look younger than everyone else my age. I never get sick. I can run faster, hit harder, and jump higher than most of the 25 year old guys. Strange.

Of course, I go a little farther to have a good diet than just not nuking my food. But, that would be a start for you guys. All food has water in it, and if nuking it does something to the water to make it unhealthy, well, figure it out.

Originally posted by bacci0909
Haha.. all the microwave-defenders here are making me laugh. Of course microwaves are f***ed, it completely alters the molecular makeup of whatever gets cooked.

No, it doesn't.

It causes water molecules to vibrate and therefore heat.

Here is the origin of the two plant experiment.

"I first learned about the claims of danger from a chain email. The same chain email, and many of these web sites, also state that giving a plant water that has been microwaved will kill it. There is even a series of unsourced photographs of two plants, one of which withers and dies while its sibling flourishes. The awesome web site Snopes.com tested this particular claim. They took three plants of each of several types, and watered one with tap water, one with water that had been boiled over a stove, and the third with water that had been boiled in a microwave. Unlike whoever took the pictures that often accompany the chain email, Snopes actually controlled for other variables. I'm sure you won't have to stretch your imagination very far to guess how the plants did. They all did exactly the same. Snopes has complete details and photographs on their web site. Somehow these plants managed to escape the guaranteed death sentence that believers say microwaved water carries."

skeptoid.com...

Well, now Snopes is the supreme authority?

I'm going to do this experiment MYSELF. I'd hope a few others here will too. I'm going to take pictures of it all. I'm sure unless it has even results, everyone will cry, "Fake!" immediately, but I don't care. I will know.

reply to post by CaptChaos


Well let's look at it this way. The whole premise of this argument is that heating water by microwave radiation will tear apart the molecules causing some strange elements. Well the only two elements you are going to get by tearing apart a water molecule are hydrogen and oxygen. In very tiny amounts I am sure. What about this is bad for you.

By all means, do the experiment for yourself but I don't think watering a plant with microwaved water is going to be very conclusive either way.

i got rid of my microwave a long time ago, i just cringe when i see people living off microwave meals. The food itself is already horrible, but eating the stuff after microwaving it is just nuts, i can't believe how anyone would think they could live eating microwave meals.

reply to post by princeguy


S&F, Thank you, Princeguy, for sharing this info. I've been telling people for the last 20+ years that microwaved food, water is UNhealthy. Most will not believe or do the research themselves.

The naturopaths and others in the alternative holistic health community have been warning people since the late 1970's about the dangers of microwaved water & food.

There was a point, when the Soviets actually outlawed the use of microwave ovens for food. I heard this was overturned after the collapse of the Soviet Union -- probably the Russians were pressured into approving it by the microwave industry. Or the right people were paid off?

I believe Andreas Moritz (naturopathic healer) wrote about this in one of his books.

What is frightening in the US is the large number of kids being raised almost exclusively on microwaved food.
Both parents work or it's a single-parent home, no one has time to cook the old-fashioned way.

The Elite are culling the herd. The slave population has grown too large, too many "useless eaters." TPTB want dumbed down slaves too weak & stupid to fight back -- and short-lived.

Originally posted by clockdryve
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

You sure have a way with words...
as to a negative phase though...

To Bad......

I dont have a "way with words"... I just have a "way with reality" which many of you refuse to look at, and find a lot more interesting living in that impending doom, fantasy world of yours...

But by all means, take your microwaves and bury them 1km down so little chernobyl doesnt affect your food.

And btw... "boiling water" in a microwave is both stupid and dangerous.

Originally posted by Turq1
reply to post by ofNight

 

But when do they get cancer? In their 40s, 50s ect. I'm not saying microwaves contribute to cancer, wouldn't surprise me though, but its the cumulative effect that is the problem with a lot of pollutants.

There are enough carcinogens that you ingest on a daily basis that saying microwaves are the single cause is silly. People can throw out their microwaves all they'd like, carcinogens are in the air they breath and the water they drink. We all die somehow, I say that if you enjoy microwaved foods -- eat it. If the microwave doesn't get you, something else inevitably will.

reply to post by princeguy


Ok. I know you asked TDawg, but I can answer. A couple years ago, I read a couple papers about the effects of eating microwaved food, it goes further than you might think, and decided to get rid of ours. I could have just thrown it out, but out of respect of others in my family who might not have agreed I simply put it in the cellar and told them why. I said if they wanted it back I would bring it back up. Surprisingly, no one cared. We just started using pots and pans and the toaster oven for some stuff. It really isn't hard and if you want to just warm a cup of coffee, it only takes like a minute if that. Not long at all. Some stuff takes longer, but it is fine. For example, say I have leftover casserole or something, in the microwave it might take 1 to 2 minutes, and you still need to stir it. On the stove, in a pot it might take 5 minutes on low to medium heat while stirring a little here and there, so it won't get dry I just add a tiny bit of water. Honestly, I can't believe how dependent we became on it.

I have not clue what you are talking about but I'll comment anyway.

The best things from the forest are better than 10 things from the factory.

Yep...I 'll be boiling stuff if I need it 'quick' from now on. How do I cook a microwavable burrito without using my microwave?

reply to post by princeguy


Why do we have to resort to "scientific studies" to admit to ourselves what should be common sense?

Anyone who has microwaved a meal should know that its not good for you. It literally doesnt taste as good, doesn't look or smell as good, and definitely makes the texture of some items (namely meat) almost unbearable.

And I know everyone has come to know and love microwaved popcorn, I'll admit it is convenient. But sadly most young people these days don't even know how to make REAL popcorn, which takes longer, but tastes SO much better, and doesnt contain the cancer causing "butter product"

I applaud this little girl for coming up with a thought provoking experiment. (in reality it was most likely her parents doing the heavy lifting while she watched cartoons)

I recently helped one of my grandchildren work on a science project for school, we put a couple of his baby teeth in jars, one filled with paint thinner, one with Coca Cola. We did the same type of time lapse pictures, and guess what?

The teeth in the jar filled with Coke were far more corroded. When I was a kid I worked for a months in a Coke factory. The flooring was a bunch of interlocking rubber mats, roughly an inch and a half thick. These mats had to be changed out almost every other month because the coke was so corrosive it would literally eat through the rubber.

Yet, people continue to drink the stuff.

reply to post by Xterrain


If it says microwave only then you will continue to use your microwave of course. However, sometimes they can be done in a toaster oven or oven. The problem is that most people don't want to wait for it to get done that way.

Most Americans are too lazy to take the time to cook anything that doesn’t require a microwave. I’m waiting for the day when an EMP hits us and takes out all our electronics. Most Americans will probably throw themselves out of a window when they find out they don’t have the use of such things anymore. No more cars, computers, cell phones, blow driers, electronics, etc etc etc..

I’m a survivor. Throw me out in the woods with my rifle, pocket knife, fishing line, bow saw, sleeping bag, and a pot, and it’s all good. I don’t need to spend all kinds of money or spend a great deal of time preparing for the end. As longs as I can hike my way out of the city, I’ll have it made.

I have a friend who has spent well over $10,000 preparing for the enviable. Along with the 3 generators, he has a handy dandy little microwave to boot. I couldn’t help but laugh when he threw out that info to me.

Originally posted by miniatus
reply to post by Gridrebel

 

I don't doubt microwaving food can degenerate the nutritional value of the food in some cases.. however the article is talking about water.. far less complex than food or even milk ..

The plant test was crap, either that or there's other variables thrown in that we're not aware of .. I say that simply because as I pointed out, my mother does it all the time..

As for food though, I think the biggest key is how long it's prepared for .. all a microwave is is a very short wave of magnetic energy ... People in the thread have talked about microwave radiation as if it were akin to nuclear radiation and those people obviously don't understand that not all radiation is created equal .. thermal and electromagnetic radiation from a microwave vs. nuclear radiation.. HUGE difference.

There's a lot of over-reacting based on a kid's science project..

edit on 3/28/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)

This will give you an idea about how 'simple' water really is...

www.youtube.com...

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Originally posted by Chadwickus
I can appreciate the effort and sentiment here but you're not going to get proper results with 2 test plants.

Need at least 1000 of each and a very controlled environment.

Agreed,
It's humorous to read others posts on here claiming that they will try this themselves. Unless you are planning to conduct an extremely controlled study on thousands of specimens, I would give it up.
I do not claim to know or sway either which way on this microwave issue. I do however know that one study of one set of plants will not produce conclusive results.