Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

reply to post by popsmayhem


Where was he heard? If it was him, I guess him yelling is proof that he was really in fear for his life.
HELP HELP, aims, pulls trigger.

You can't say anything is for sure until the evidence is made public. When we know for sure how close he was when the shot was made, if there were powder burns on the body. Then we will know.

You have shown such bias on this case though, I honestly don't believe anything you say. I think you are making facts out of opinions.

The most important fact to me at the moment is that Zimmerman stalked, approached, and shot an unarmed man that he had no real business approaching. The victim was completely innocent. If the kid did attack him Zimmerman provoked it by being shady and aggressive which is obvious from his phone calls. It's not like he was this nice man that phoned in a stranger. He was stalking his prey, he was angry, and he was racist.

Are you forgetting that he called the kid an F'ING COON? Then moments later shot him. You are fundamentally on the wrong side of this. Sure if he is proven innocent that is fine, and he might be, but the other guy was unarmed and shouldn't have even been bothered let alone murdered.

reply to post by popsmayhem


You have in no way "Proven" that Trayvon was the aggressor in the situation, only that an altercation did happen.

BTW even in the video linked to the Fox13 video at the end the newscaster says how the initial cop there said it was "manslaughter" and "an unnecessary killing to prevent an unlawful act" soo are you even fully comprehending your own source and the idea that there is "REASONABLE DOUBT"

Originally posted by MrWendal

So what did the witness see? He saw Martin on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman yelling for help. Again, he did not see who attacked who. He does not see who started the fight.

Before the shots were fired
treyvon was on top of
zimmerman. proves zimmerman
in A stand your ground state like
fl had every legal right to defend himself
against a deadly threat like treyvon.
they have no case zimmerman is innocent
he acted in self defense he was attacked
before he shot, the witness saw it..
not to mention treyv0ns mom is the one speaking HEARSAY
the families lawyer AND YOU PEOPLE speak hearsay
saying it *sounded like treyvon on the tape*
THAT IS HEARSAY what treyvons family is
saying is hearsay. what the key witness saw and
reported seeing is not hearsay the other crap is!!
Truth is our bitch

I have got to ask if any of this is true.

n July 2005, Zimmerman, then 21, was at a bar near the University of Central Florida when a friend was arrested by state alcohol agents on suspicion of serving underage drinkers, according to an arrest report in the Sentinel. Zimmerman became profane and pushed away an agent who tried to escort him, the report said. Authorities said he was arrested after a short struggle. Charged with resisting arrest without violence, he avoided conviction by entering a pretrial-diversion program, something common for first-time offenders. A month later, an ex-fiancée filed a petition for an injunction against Zimmerman, citing domestic violence. Zimmerman responded by filing a petition of his own the following day. The fight led to protective injunctions that expired Aug. 24, 2006. Zimmerman married Shellie Nicole Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, in late 2007. The next year, he resurfaced in court documents as a credit-card company pursued him. Capital One accused Zimmerman of failing to pay more than $1,000. He settled with the company for $2,135.82, records show, to cover his debts with interest, as well as attorney and court costs. The credit card company soon reported that Zimmerman wasn't making the agreed payments. Zimmerman's employer at the time, CarMax, agreed to garnish his wages. That arrangement was canceled in late 2008 because Zimmerman was no longer working there. In 2008, Zimmerman attended a four-month law-enforcement program given by the sheriff’s office, Kim Cannaday, spokeswoman for the Seminole County sheriff's office, told the Sentinel. In his application for the course, Zimmerman wrote: “I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regard and I hope to one day become one.” It's unknown what was Zimmerman’s job on Feb. 26, but what is known is that he took policing very seriously. He reenrolled in Seminole State College with the goal of becoming a cop in 2009 and was working toward an associate degree. Zimmerman last week was dropped by the school which said it acted because of safety issues for Zimmerman and other students. For at least eight years, Zimmerman seems to have been part of a neighborhood watch group, based in his Retreat at Twin Lakes community. During that time he called the police department at least 46 times with reports of various sightings such as open garages and suspicious people, often African American, it was reported. It was such a call that police released last week. Zimmerman told the 911 operator that he saw a suspicious teenager. “Something's wrong with him. Yep. He's coming to check me out,” Zimmerman told a police dispatcher in a 911 call released Monday. “He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. Send officers over here.” The teen started to run, Zimmerman reported. When Zimmerman said he was following, the dispatcher told him, “We don't need you to do that.” Shortly afterward, neighbors began calling 911 to report a fight, then a gunshot. By the time police arrived, Trayvon Martin was dead.

www.latimes.com...

True or false.........

reply to post by Golf66


I do agree.
I was once a hardcore liberal, and I still hold many many liberal beliefs, but man now that I have taken a step back and I see my friends buying into all this it freaks me out.

Calling to stop the call to make all the states share similar concealed carry laws, and calling to get rid of stand your ground (even though I don't think it applies here) is just nuts.

If anything crazy ever happens to me I hope liberals don't exploit it to take rights away from others.

reply to post by kdog1982


Sounds like the kid tried to get away, Zimmerman tried to detain him, the kid reasonably fought the illegal detention, and Zimmerman killed him.
Sound about right to you?

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


This sounds plausible, and not out of place to assert, given the stories.

reply to post by popsmayhem



Oh,forgot to ask, a 28 year old guy called the police about suspicion of a 17 year old kid.
The advice given was not to pursue.
He disregarded this.
But the 28 year old guy ,with only speculation confronted the 17 year old which resulted in a scuffle and gunfire.
And what exactly was the cause of all this?
Merely walking through a neighborhood?

If this was a cop who did this,what do you think would happen?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by kdog1982

 

Sounds like the kid tried to get away, Zimmerman tried to detain him, the kid reasonably fought the illegal detention, and Zimmerman killed him.
Sound about right to you?

You nailed it on the head.

reply to post by popsmayhem

He was not chasing anyone down! That is a lie! Zimmerman got out of his truck to see the street sign to tell the 911 dispatch what road treyvon went down

Ha! this clown was supposed to be neighborhood watch, and the idiot does not know the streets in his "hood" as you call it?

reply to post by Naptown317


AHAH This is something I easily overlooked the whole time, thank you for pointing this out, the story gets crazier all the time I guess.

reply to post by kdog1982


Also sounds like Zimmerman had some anger issues. Didn't a witness mention in a testamony that he was always too aggressive?

A volunteer community watch captain who shot an unarmed Florida teenager to death last month had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics, a homeowner said.

Article

Originally posted by Naptown317
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

He was not chasing anyone down! That is a lie! Zimmerman got out of his truck to see the street sign to tell the 911 dispatch what road treyvon went down

Ha! this clown was supposed to be neighborhood watch, and the idiot does not know the streets in his "hood" as you call it?

Well spotted lol...Sounds like some conjured up BS to justify keeping the chase.

Hmm.. not that anyone really cares about what I think, but I'll speak anyway.

I never really cared about this case to be honest. I heard about what supposedly happened and felt like s#it happens. I mean, s#it does happen, we live in a s#itty world. I just ran with the story everybody was hype about.

But then I clicked this thread and was like, "Hm. Really?" So I went to go listen to some of the tapes and did a little checking out on backgrounds. The one with the guy saying, "They always get away..." The woman having a freaking panic attack for 15 damn minutes and the one where you could actually hear the cries for help.

So I have a few questions.

1. The panic lady says it was a good neighborhood. Why does Zimmerman carry a gun?

2. Under what circumstances did Trayvon the kid attack this man? From what I understand, he was a good kid who made good grades. I would assume he make good choices. Yet we know nothing about his personality, he could have anger issues, like Zimmerman. He did play football.

3. If Zimmerman really wanted to kill this kid, he would have done so without a struggle. Why didn't he?

4. Where was this struggle anyways?? Was it on somebody else's property? Did Zimmerman confront the kid for being on someone else's property? Some reports say the kid had Skittles and Arizona claiming he was on his way home and this thread says Zimmerman was on his way to his SUV.

Did Zimmerman spot the kid as he was taking a short cut? Did Zimmerman get aggressive with the kid, and the kid overpowered this larger guy with his football strength in defense, then Zimmerman decided to shoot him because nobody helped?

I'm 20 and don't have a car. I go to the gym after hours and take short cuts all the time, and if someone touches me, I'll destroy them because I don't know what their intentions are.

There was once in my life when I was snatched up by a stranger in my neighborhood because I went into someone else's mail box, pretending to open it up with a key that my friend and I had found lying randomly on the street. I was 7 and didn't know it was illegal. Guess what? The stranger was "neighborhood watch". He wanted to call the cops and I screamed for help cause I was weak and helpless, luckily my parents were riding by and my friend stopped them on their way home. So it is possible this guy laid hands on the kid, because of his "authority" and the kid was strong enough to respond.

But what do I know?

I still don't care much. Take it how you see it.

reply to post by popsmayhem


We don't know all the truth in this matter, I'll give you that. But if someone takes to the streets armed with a gun, I suspect they may be looking for confrontation. There would be no one dead if zimmerman had stayed in his house ???

I wonder how in the hell my husband, who worked security for nearly 15 years of his life in OAKLAND CALIFORNIA managed to carry his gun and tazer, and never once have to use force on anyone. It's amazing really. He came upon some scary situations that would have prompted a reaction to use force. But instead, he kept a cool head and dealt with situations decisively, rather than take another person's life.

The fact is, Zimmerman had no business being a rent a cop. Had no business carrying a gun. Should have called police if he felt Trayvon was a threat BEFORE the altercation. Zimmerman was ignorant and did not use his head.

Thanks to idiots like this one, gun laws will start to become even more strict, and this may even set off a reaction to start taking guns.

We've carried guns all of our lives. I've had strangers come on my property in the middle of the night. I could have easily went nuts and shot some poor teenager just out for a joy ride with friends, or parking with his girlfriend.

You want to carry guns, you use your head. You don't go off getting yourself involved in situations like this. He took this kid's life too soon, and for that he's a freaking idiot.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Sounds like the kid tried to get away, Zimmerman tried to detain him, the kid reasonably fought the illegal detention, and Zimmerman killed him.

But according to eyewitnesses that never happened. So therefore it never happened.

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


Actually the eyewitness reports don't say that.
They say "When I got upstairs" meaning the missed part of it. I have a strong feeling Zimmerman tried to detain him. The bit Zimmerman says about the kid attacking him when he was on his way to his SUV just seems like a total lie. What reason would the kid have? Unless, I guess, he was yelling racial epithets at the kid or something.

I don't know, but this Zimmerman guy reeks of the worst type of person to have a gun. He has a god complex. It's painfully obvious.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Regardless of what happened there is not enough substantial evidence that is visual on what happened. This story has M. Night Shyamalan written all over it.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


The problem is this. Zimmerman is still going to have to PROVE he was acting in self defense.


My personal belief ? Zimmerman played Judge,Jury and Executioner . Those are the ONLY facts we can fathom for now.