Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by gambon


Or it could mean the police bashed him

Now we are really grasping at straws!

The police bashes him over the head//??????

Witness saw zimmerman beat up right after it
happened right before police got there..
To many people and 911 calls, they came running
out to see what happen..

reply to post by popsmayhem


how do you know , have you talked to the witnesses , reviewed any cctv , searched the area personally , or have you just read what the media said?

awww poor little zimmy wimmy goes back to jail

excuse me i have to clear my throat, ehmmmmmhmmmmm

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by TKDRL

 

This has nothing to do with anyones credability. Its revolves around a legal oversight on the status of donated funds.

You and the others seem to take drama to a whole new level. If you actually understood the law and process you would know this occurs a lot and has nothing to do with credability of anyone.

By all means though you guys keep making it up... Apparently its all you can do to support your land of make believe.

Still waiting on you to supply your sources / links to police procedure, law, evidence, rules of evidence, courtroom procedure and for the love of God learn the difference between what a person who was involved says and the ststaus of that info when repeated by others.

edit on 1-6-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

credibility

reply to post by conspiracy nut

Empty your mind be formless. Shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend. - BRUCE LEE

this is the quote on your profile, I just noticed it.

Bruce had many quotes, in his Book Jeet Kune Do, he said these words: If a man breaks your skin,Break his bones. If a man Break your bones, Take his Life.
these are the words of Bruce Lee whom you seem to freely quote.How do you perceive this relating to Zimmerman defending his own life where Martin was trying to perform a Craniotomy?

Originally posted by rebellender
Tell me TROLLS tell me true:
was the whole neighborhood in on it?

The whole neighborhood does not back your fantasy. John does and only John does.

what do you do when you hear loud verbal altercation above the sound of rain beating on your roof top....YEAH YOU, nosey, what do you do??? you go out side to see what the screaming is all about, dontcha?

You live in a tin shed? It is torrential outside right now but I cannot hear it hitting my roof because my house was built out of wood in the last century.

Where are people living in homes that would sound like you think in the rain?

Originally posted by seabag
I hear you, bud. According to reports, GZ didn’t intentionally confront TM. Apparently TM popped out and confronted GZ about following him, which is when GZ tried to retreat to the safety of his vehicle; unfortunately he didn’t make it. We know how the story ended…

According to what reports?
Who reported this?
Who did they report it to?

reply to post by Autumnal


Not to mention if GZ was 'retreating to the safety of his car' he ran the wrong way!!!

But its not surprising considering GZ told his dad he was looking for street sign/address, in a neighborhood that he was NW captain of that only had 3 streets in it AND the street he was 'looking for' was the street HE LIVED on. He walked from TTL to Retreatview CIRCLE which is the street he lived on!!!!

So he is NW captain with 3 street names to remember, which he can't do AND he ran the wrong way to his car!!!!

Yeah, all of that sounds plausible....it does to the GZ fans though.

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Not to mention if GZ was 'retreating to the safety of his car' he ran the wrong way!!!

But its not surprising considering GZ told his dad he was looking for street sign/address, in a neighborhood that he was NW captain of that only had 3 streets in it AND the street he was 'looking for' was the street HE LIVED on. He walked from TTL to Retreatview CIRCLE which is the street he lived on!!!!

So he is NW captain with 3 street names to remember, which he can't do AND he ran the wrong way to his car!!!!

Yeah, all of that sounds plausible....it does to the GZ fans though.

I dont think your aware of this but retreatview circle goes around the entire complex.So when he goes to look at an address that makes sense actually.He lived off retreatview also but on the other side of the complex they call it a circle for a reason.In fact over half the buildings are off retreat view circle i suggest you might want to google the complex before you make assumptions.

As for arguing about hypothetical stuff i hope you guys can come up with a lot because this wont go to trial until 2013 so arguing over what you believe is kinda silly.Just simply say you think hes a murderer and will see at the trial.Making up facts to fit your fictitious story you created isnt helping anybody.

Originally posted by seabag

I hear you, bud. According to reports, GZ didn’t intentionally confront TM. Apparently TM popped out and confronted GZ about following him, which is when GZ tried to retreat to the safety of his vehicle; unfortunately he didn’t make it. We know how the story ended…

I am not sure what reports this information was obtained from but on April 20 at Zimmerman's bond hearing the following is quoted by the Orlando Sentinel as having been stated in court.

Most revealing in the hearing, though, was testimony by prosecution Investigator Dale Gilbreath, a surprise witness for the defense. He admitted under oath that authorities do not know who started the fight between Zimmerman, a Neighborhood Watch volunteer, and Martin, the black 17-year-old whose death has spurred protests across the country.

Orlando Sentinel

The story goes on to state:

In the courtroom, Gilbreath also testified that although the FBI has analyzed a voice heard screaming for help in the background of a 911 call, it has produced no meaningful results. Trayvon's family says the voice is that of their son. Zimmerman's family says it belongs to the defendant.

So despite what theorists might have reported it appears that in the courtroom, authorities do not know who started the altercation, and they are unable to determine who screams were heard on the 911 call.

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by conspiracy nut

Empty your mind be formless. Shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend. - BRUCE LEE

 

this is the quote on your profile, I just noticed it.

Bruce had many quotes, in his Book Jeet Kune Do, he said these words: If a man breaks your skin,Break his bones. If a man Break your bones, Take his Life.
these are the words of Bruce Lee whom you seem to freely quote.How do you perceive this relating to Zimmerman defending his own life where Martin was trying to perform a Craniotomy?

edit on 2-6-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)

I'll respond to this.

The ACTUAL quote was the following: "Approach Jeet Kune Do with the idea of mastering the will. Forget about winning and losing, forget about pride and pain: let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life! Do not be concerned with your escaping safely-- lay your life before him!"

He's talking about the approach to the martial arts style he founded, specifically the mental approach of absolute courage and freedom from anticipating outcome in (combat) situations. He didn't say IF a man breaks your skin break his bones, he's saying let him, because pain doesn't exist. This fearlessness is one angle of his philosophy that transcends martial arts and becomes a way of life-- his whole thing was honest self expression, and so his art and his approach to life were one and the same.

In my opinion, Zimmerman pulling out his 9mm and smoking Trayvon after he broke his nose has absolutely nothing to do with Jeet Kune Do. I'm sorry, it's one thing to defend Zimmerman's actions as completely within the law, but it's entirely another to insinuate that they were performed with the intuition and the Zen mentality of a master such as Bruce Lee. In fact, I find the comparison rather atrocious. First off, Zimmerman's actions during the entire encounter were all based out of fear-- it is apparent that he didn't assess the situation with a clear head and was consumed by irrational fear. Second, he did everything he could to increase the likelihood of a confrontation times a billion, whereas one fundamental concept in many martial arts is to AVOID CONFRONTATION. Finally, I haven't read his whole book, but I have a slight hunch that there's no point in the text that Bruce ever suggests pulling out a gun in a fist fight. I would think that Bruce would have diffused the situation much more tactfully WITHOUT the loss of life--flowing with it like water rather than trying to dominate it-- whether Zimmerman's actions were lawful, there is no denying that the situation could've been handled better.

Does all of this make Zimmerman a murderer? Perhaps not. But please for the love of God, leave Bruce Lee out of this crap!!!

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
awww poor little zimmy wimmy goes back to jail

And the judge also told the prosecutor to see what kind of charges could be filed against his old lady also.

Attorney: Zimmerman back in Fla. for surrender

— George Zimmerman has returned to Florida and will turn himself in to authorities by Sunday's deadline after a judge revoked his bond in the Trayvon Martin case, an attorney said.
Attorney Mark O'Mara announced Zimmerman's return on his website Sunday, saying Zimmerman arrived late Sunday evening.

Read more: www.seattlepi.com...


See turned himself in, NO flight risk
nothing to worry about.
THIS LAUGHS in the face to the people
who said he wouldn't show up..

reply to post by popsmayhem


are they going to hold him indefinitely?

it seems he is a flight risk, they have him on recorded calls talking in "code" with his wife and also he is shown lying about his passports in those calls. according to this article it will be hard for zim's lawyers to argue that he is not a flight risk.

reply to post by rebellender


i thought i was a troll? why do you keep feeding me?

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
it seems he is a flight risk,

If he was a flight risk he would be gone by now.
He has a VERY good chance of beating the charges.
There is no reason for him to run.

reply to post by FlyersFan


this has to do with the judge making his new bond. if he and his wife lied about his passport that does give the judge reason to believe he is a flight risk. if its such an open and closed case why did he and his wife lie about the passports? honestly if you were in georges shoes, why would you lie about your passport?

My question is, why the hell did Zimmerman do this??

I think he had a pretty good shot at going free if he had just played it cool. But considering a huge chunk of this is going to depend entirely on whether jurors believe Zimmerman's testimony, shenanigans like this are only going to raise doubts about everything he says.

It's looking more and more like Zimmerman is, in the words of Charlie Murphy, a "habitual line-stepper."

reply to post by dragonridr


I know the map of the neighborhood. What i would suggest is that GZ father quit going on tv and lying. Id also suggest you take the same approach, even though I don't think you've been invited on tv.

I don't make up facts. Sorry, the evidence is fact enough for me. The problem is is it is not good enough to clear GZ so his camp and his fans have to lie. Thanks for playing.

GZ is back in custody (with a brand new pot belly) as of 145pm/EST time today.

Now, lets hope he sits there until that trial that he didn't want to be so speedy.