Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

reply to post by gambon

or even on the doorframe of a police car?

Are you seriously saying that you think GZ intentionally injured himself in the police car?
Then he travelled back in time so that the neighbor could take pics of his bloody head before police arrived?

reply to post by butcherguy


No , but there is a gap in time before photos were taken is there not?
plenty for any possible shenanigens, so for any viewpoint for so much to be placed on them is pointless



How do we know when the photos where taken ?


as you can see just 2 of many questions that any lawyer could use to negate the use of the photos in a trial.....

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by seabag

 

or unless you pursue the fight after the fact of being able to safely retreat , or after being told to by a real police officer , I also find it amazing that a shot to the chest doesnt count as a wound or being wounded , unlike a couple of scratches on a head which for all we know could of happened after the fat or even on the doorframe of a police car?

There was people running out their houses.
GZ had no time to *wound himself*
Eye witness'es saw treyvon on top of zimmerman.
Treyvon has bruising on his knuckles only from
hitting zimmerman. All the signs of treyvon attacking
him and zimmerman acting in self defense.

reply to post by popsmayhem


we all heard the recording of the 911 call where we heard somebody screaming .....the whole neighborhood heard it....yet people here want to argue that Zim fabricated his injuries,

Tell me TROLLS tell me true:
was the whole neighborhood in on it?
what do you do when you hear loud verbal altercation above the sound of rain beating on your roof top....YEAH YOU, nosey, what do you do??? you go out side to see what the screaming is all about, dontcha?

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

we all heard the recording of the 911 call where we heard somebody screaming .....the whole neighborhood heard it....yet people here want to argue that Zim fabricated his injuries,

Tell me TROLLS tell me true:
was the whole neighborhood in on it?
what do you do when you hear loud verbal altercation above the sound of rain beating on your roof top....YEAH YOU, nosey, what do you do??? you go out side to see what the screaming is all about, dontcha?

And... There are still people holding onto the myth that it is Trayvon doing the screaming.
Trayvon's dad listened to the recording of the screams with the police and says it wasn't his son screaming.
That isn't good enough for some.

reply to post by gambon

or unless you pursue the fight after the fact of being able to safely retreat , or after being told to by a real police officer

I hear you, bud. According to reports, GZ didn’t intentionally confront TM. Apparently TM popped out and confronted GZ about following him, which is when GZ tried to retreat to the safety of his vehicle; unfortunately he didn’t make it. We know how the story ended…

I also find it amazing that a shot to the chest doesnt count as a wound or being wounded , unlike a couple of scratches on a head which for all we know could of happened after the fat or even on the doorframe of a police car?

The gunshot was obviously a fatal ‘wound’. The only point I’ve made about injuries is that, besides the fatal gunshot wound, the only wound TM had was scraped knuckles from beating the stuffing out of GZ.

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by butcherguy

 

No , but there is a gap in time before photos were taken is there not?
plenty for any possible shenanigens, so for any viewpoint for so much to be placed on them is pointless



How do we know when the photos where taken ?


as you can see just 2 of many questions that any lawyer could use to negate the use of the photos in a trial.....

You mentioned a police car door frame, I think.
That would mean that George bashed his own head with the police looking on, making them part of a conspiracy.
The photos were taken before the police arrived, according to the person that took them. I suppose (as has been previously stated) we are to believe that everyone in the neighborhood was involved, covering up a murder?

reply to post by gambon

No , but there is a gap in time before photos were taken is there not? plenty for any possible shenanigens, so for any viewpoint for so much to be placed on them is pointless

Let's also remember that before the photos of GZ's bloody head were released, many said that George had no visible injuries, even using the video from the police station as 'evidence'. It shows how people see what they want to see, as the cuts on his head were plainly visible, in the footage from the police station.

Now that is plain (to most people) that GZ had injuries, some have to go to the point of saying that he caused these injuries to himself, making all of the witnesses coming out of their houses apparent accomplices.

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by butcherguy

 

No , but there is a gap in time before photos were taken is there not?
plenty for any possible shenanigens, so for any viewpoint for so much to be placed on them is pointless



How do we know when the photos where taken ?


as you can see just 2 of many questions that any lawyer could use to negate the use of the photos in a trial.....

why do you insist that there is a conspiracy of Cover Up in this matter that Involves:
Gated Community of Honest Residents Lying to cover up a Murder
Police Officers involved in a Cover Up of Injuries to a, how do the trolls say it, " A Racially Motivated Homicidal Maniac"
Finally here to promote the Conspiracy of Race is the President of the United States in Press Conference to the World says if he had a son he would look like Treyvon..........

you tell me where this all leads?
without bringing up the Birthright of Jacob and Esau, The argument of which came first the chicken or the egg,
The argument of Galactic Alignment,

How do you prove Zimmerman MURDERED Martin?

Originally posted by rebellender
why do you insist that there is a conspiracy of Cover Up in this matter that Involves:
Gated Community of Honest Residents Lying to cover up a Murder

Dude, come back to reality. You do not know the people that lived there. You just assume everyone in the community is honest? The biggest scumbag in my neighborhood was the last NW guy. I need to know how you know everyone that lived there was honest. That includes Trayvon's dad's girlfriend right?

You say so much crazy # and state it as fact that your posts now just look like comedy.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by gambon

 

or unless you pursue the fight after the fact of being able to safely retreat , or after being told to by a real police officer

I hear you, bud. According to reports, GZ didn’t intentionally confront TM. Apparently TM popped out and confronted GZ about following him, which is when GZ tried to retreat to the safety of his vehicle; unfortunately he didn’t make it. We know how the story ended…

I also find it amazing that a shot to the chest doesnt count as a wound or being wounded , unlike a couple of scratches on a head which for all we know could of happened after the fat or even on the doorframe of a police car?

The gunshot was obviously a fatal ‘wound’. The only point I’ve made about injuries is that, besides the fatal gunshot wound, the only wound TM had was scraped knuckles from beating the stuffing out of GZ.

He had one scrape on one knuckle.

Seriously!!! When the hell is it going to sink in that when you need to change the story for it to be good, the story is probably bad.

reply to post by Autumnal

He had one scrape on one knuckle.

Yeah, that didn't come from him punching Zimmerman. He probably did that peeling Skittles for his last Dexy cocktail.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal

 

What is your point? Tray's past is not squeeky clean either. Uses drugs, pot and codiene, abused OTC cough syrup. Possibly punched a bus driver, vandalized school property. Neither are saints here.

This is pretty [snipped] simple.

George is accused of a violent crime, thus the relevance of his history of criminal violence.
What was Trayvon accused of and how does cough syrup, or tagging fit in?

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal

 

There is zero evidence that george assaulted him

THERE IS THE EXACT SAME EVIDENCE THAT GEORGE ASSAULTED TRAYVON FIRST AS THERE IS THAT TRAYVON ASSAULTED GEORGE FIRST.

So....what is your point?

You are using logical falicy here, asking me to provide a negative.

Nope, I am using logic and you are not being asked to prove jack #.

How about you prove your claim? Nah, too much to ask right?

I asked you to prove your claim quite some time back and am still left wanting. What is that? Too much to ask?

Because there is zero evidence to back up your claim, we both know that.

DITTO

Or at least I hope you do. There is evidence that tray assaulted george, none to suggest that george assaulted tray. George's knuckles had zero bruising, no cuts. His face and head did though. Tray's head and face, no injuries.

edit on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:04:48 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

A scrape on a knuckle tells you what order things happened in does it?
Oh please explain that to stupid ol' me.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Autumnal

So what do we know about George?
He has a history of criminal violence.
He is a liar.
He has little regard for the law.

Oh yeah, he is the good guy, right? That black kid was gonna robotrip!

Happened in the concrete and was raining
which is why treyvon had the *hoodie* on.
Atleast thats what they say he had the hoodie on
i mean there is vid

no robotrip
colors does not matter.
this money is not FOR PERSONAL
USE.IT is going all to DEFENSE funds.
think george is getting rich no way this case
for attorneys can cost in the millions..
THE taxes from the florida people will
foot the biil. Any amount that can help is great.
Everyone is hysterical over a clerical error.
Everyone deserves a fair bond..

edit on 2-6-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

Could you or one of the 5 people that starred your post please explain to me what this gibberish has to do with what I wrote?

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by butcherguy

 

No , but there is a gap in time before photos were taken is there not?
plenty for any possible shenanigens, so for any viewpoint for so much to be placed on them is pointless

This did occur to me also. Maybe not probable - - - but anything is possible.

How do we know when the photos where taken ?

There was a time and date stamp (or something like that from the phone photo) - - or so I read somewhere

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Well then you are lieing to yourself, and everyone else then. Everytime you claim that you know what happened between zimmerman hanging up, and the cops getting there, you are lieing. Everytime you claim that george started the fight, that george detained tray, you are lieing. You are a liar, and you don't even know it? If you are not a liar, than back up the crap you talk. Oh, that's right, you can't, you are making it up. At least I was man enough to admit that I didn't know, and that I was theorizing and involved in conjecture. Go on, keep trolling.

I apologize, I took the troll bait. SMH

edit on Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:22:32 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

The word is "lying."
I am sorry, when you claim you know what happened in that time, you are not lying?
When pops and his alter ego rebel claim to know what happened in that time, they are not lying?
Explain this to me.

He had 48 hours been a day now.
Zimmerman will have to report to the sheriffs
office within the next 24 hours.

Anytime we could get a report
so stand by.

As far as we know he has not
went in yet..

I know I would drag it out as long
as possible right up to 45-46 hours.

reply to post by butcherguy


One phrase " beyond all reasonable doubt" do these photos stack up beyond all reasonable doubt , mebbe , mebbe not , i was pointing out any attorney can argue them out of the courtroom or so try.

I am suprised that with the case going to court that this thread is still open , i bet many have looked at this , How will they find a jury , that has not been influenced by all media etc ...I truly cannot see how the truth either way or justice , can now be served

I am not for one side or another , I AM glad it is going to trial , I have Never been on a witchunt against z or m contrary to the opinions of some.There are far to many , ifs buts, maybes , and could be's hence the need for this to go to trial from the off
If Z had been arrested gone to trial and found innocent tht would be ok , It would be the preffered option in retrospect by zim , of that I am pretty certain, he would now have proved his innocence in a court of law ..rather than trial by media , of which we have all been drawn in

I predicting several mistrials due to jury "knowledge" of the case

I

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by gambon
reply to post by butcherguy

 

No , but there is a gap in time before photos were taken is there not?
plenty for any possible shenanigens, so for any viewpoint for so much to be placed on them is pointless



How do we know when the photos where taken ?


as you can see just 2 of many questions that any lawyer could use to negate the use of the photos in a trial.....

You mentioned a police car door frame, I think.
That would mean that George bashed his own head with the police looking on, making them part of a conspiracy.
The photos were taken before the police arrived, according to the person that took them. I suppose (as has been previously stated) we are to believe that everyone in the neighborhood was involved, covering up a murder?

Or it could mean the police bashed him ( for beating up on one of there own previously) then the whole case blew up in the media , , now no one can say ...............but there are a lot if ifs buts and maybes in how this turned out