Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Eye witness saw zimmerman screaming
for help. That will hold a lot of weight in court.
Now if treyvon went running and was so scared of zimmerman
why did treyvon not run home which was pretty close
to where this all went down.. Zimmerman could of never caught
up with treyvon unless treyvon wanted him too and ambushed him.
Treyvon went running, which is why
zimmerman got out of his SUV to
see what street he went down..

That does not make one lick of sense.
You are saying that Trayvon saw Zimmerman in his truck so he ran and hid, knowing Zimmerman would get out of his truck and come looking for where he went?

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Hardstepah

 

hiring a PI? Zimmerman was not a PI he was neighborhood watch and neighborhood watch is not supposed to follow, chase or confront, they are just supposed to observe and report. the 911 operator told zimmerman "we dont need you to follow" some people might think its ok not to listen to a 911 operator, especially zimmerman because obviously he was above taking the advice of a 911 dispatcher.

i feel that some of you zimmerman supporters just want to be able to go around playing cops and robbers and that its your right to go around profiling and killing people when they beat you up for following them. if thats the case why dont you tough guys go take the police test and become police if your so worried about your neighborhoods? why the need for a citizen running around confronting "bad guys" let the professionals handle it.

this is what i'm talking about angry mob. you take my example and try to spin it as if i was actually saying zimmerman was a PI when i even mentioned he was KEEPING AN EYE ON HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. then you try to spin it to seem like we are the same as zimmerman and are just "wanabe cops". you can't make a logical argument against the evidence so you attack the person putting your theories to shame. great high school debate team tactics, you just might make the team this year.

i am not a zimmerman supporter, i am an evidence supporter, and despite your (obvious) personal feelings about the case, the evidence supports zim no matter how bad you need him to be the bad guy. so once again member of angry mob. you lose the logic debate

reply to post by Autumnal


Nothing makes a lick of sense. Can you explain why tray didn't go to his father's house, instead of doubling back and attacking george? Maybe he was high and paranoid, who knows. But he paid for the mistake with his life. Had he not attacked another man, he would still be alive.

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

good maybe we could go back to having a civil debate now, all you do is resort to name calling when someone does not agree with you. bon voyage, ce la vie, adios, auf wiedersehen, sayonara, arrivadercci!!

you mean name calling like trying to compare somebody who has an opposite opinion than you to people who want to kill and murder just because?

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.............Zimmerman will walk.

This would have NEVER got the media attention if Trayvon's parents didn't start publishing 13 year old pictures of him and calling Zimmerman a racist.

I must say this case is interesting I need it something to fill the Casey Anthony case.

i was conceding that a PI or a cop or a security gaurd, private detective could follow someone around and it would be acceptable. my point is zimmerman was none of those, he was neighborhood watch and they are not supposed to run around trying to chase people. trayvon was not committing a crime.

reply to post by conspiracy nut


He was not committing a crime, until he assaulted another man. You don't need to be working a certain job to protect your neighborhood. You don't need to be on a payroll to try and take care of where you live.

People like to talk crap about how george was a coward. He was doing what he could to make his neighborhood safe, don't sound like a coward to me. Cowards call 911 and hope someone else will save them. Newsflash, it doesn't work that way. If there happens to be a cruiser close enough to get there in time, you might be OK. That is leaving a whole lot up to chance.

Again, you are ignoring the fact that you don't need a badge, or a piece of paper to authorize you to make sure someone suspicious does not commit a crime. I have made citizen arrests before, you are aware that citizen arrests are an option right? You don't need to be a cop.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

He was not committing a crime, until he assaulted another man. You don't need to be working a certain job to protect your neighborhood. You don't need to be on a payroll to try and take care of where you live.

i'm all for protecting your neighborhood if you witness a crime happen to be packin heat and have the cojones to go out and apprehend the criminal. fact is trayvon was not committing a crime, no evidence to show he intended of committing a crime. if you want to follow a guy around til he commits a crime go become a cop.

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
i was conceding that a PI or a cop or a security gaurd, private detective could follow someone around and it would be acceptable. my point is zimmerman was none of those, he was neighborhood watch and they are not supposed to run around trying to chase people. trayvon was not committing a crime.

and zimmerman was not comitting a crime by following somebody he thought was a threat to his neighbors. why do i even bother at this point?

reply to post by conspiracy nut


You do not have to be a cop! You have this huge hangup in your brain, that seems to think you need a badge to prevent crime..... You do not have to have a badge, or piece of paper that tells you it is OK. Do what you can for your community, and your community will improve. Criminals are generally lazy, and will move to where people are cowards, and will not challenge their "superiority".

reply to post by Hardstepah


i just think thats crossing the line, he is armed following someone that he is worried might be a threat to his neighbors? the cops are already on their way, zimmerman did his neighborhood watch duties right there, there was no need to follow trayvon, just like the 911 operator said.

reply to post by conspiracy nut


And if you were in the same situation, then the suspicious person goes and rapes and murders one of the neighbors, you are going to be able to sleep at night? "Oh I did all I could, I called the authority and they didn't come in time. Oh well, # happens"

I would hate to be your neighbor.

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Do you have any comment on the verbiage of Florida's stand your ground statutes posted above that clearly and specifically allows use of force even by the initial aggressor if they either reasonably believes that they are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm or trying to withdraw from physical contact?

Yup, you highlighted the wrong part and failed to put it into the context a court of law puts it in.
Hint: "retreat"

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Nothing makes a lick of sense. Can you explain why tray didn't go to his father's house, instead of doubling back and attacking george?

No, I cannot explain your fantasies and lies to or for you.
You made that up so you explain it.

Maybe he was high and paranoid, who knows.

Actually we know for a fact he was not high. If he was high on pot and paranoid, the last thing he would have done was lie in wait to attack someone. He would have gotten those skittles home safer than a newborn baby.

But he paid for the mistake with his life. Had he not attacked another man, he would still be alive.

Keep telling yourself he attacked another man so you feel good about yourself but until you find ANY evidence that happened, saying it to me is doing you no good at all.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

He was not committing a crime, until he assaulted another man. You don't need to be working a certain job to protect your neighborhood. You don't need to be on a payroll to try and take care of where you live.

So what was George protecting and how was he protecting it? He stalked and grabbed a kid who was on his way home. THEN a crime happened.

People like to talk crap about how george was a coward. He was doing what he could to make his neighborhood safe, don't sound like a coward to me. Cowards call 911 and hope someone else will save them. Newsflash, it doesn't work that way. If there happens to be a cruiser close enough to get there in time, you might be OK. That is leaving a whole lot up to chance.

George called 911.

What did George protect anyone from?

Again, you are ignoring the fact that you don't need a badge, or a piece of paper to authorize you to make sure someone suspicious does not commit a crime. I have made citizen arrests before, you are aware that citizen arrests are an option right? You don't need to be a cop.

edit on Sun, 20 May 2012 20:04:12 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

Sure you have. I bet you do it all the time.

How that makes or breaks your argument is beyond me.

How many times have you followed and then killed a person under the citizens arrest protection?
You do know that Trayvon was neither committing a crime nor arrested. He was killed.

you make some good points and i would have to agree with you on some of what you are saying. but if you dont actually witness them commit a crime i dont think you should follow them around. that's just asking for trouble.

Originally posted by Autumnal

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Nothing makes a lick of sense. Can you explain why tray didn't go to his father's house, instead of doubling back and attacking george?

No, I cannot explain your fantasies and lies to or for you.
You made that up so you explain it.

Maybe he was high and paranoid, who knows.

Actually we know for a fact he was not high. If he was high on pot and paranoid, the last thing he would have done was lie in wait to attack someone. He would have gotten those skittles home safer than a newborn baby.

But he paid for the mistake with his life. Had he not attacked another man, he would still be alive.

Keep telling yourself he attacked another man so you feel good about yourself but until you find ANY evidence that happened, saying it to me is doing you no good at all.

no evidence to suggest trayvon attacked zimmerman? have you been paying attention to the same story as everybody else? you don't get beat up like GZ did without somebody attacking you. so if he was paranoid he would have ran away? invalid argument, that would just prove that zimmerman wasn't a "paranoid racist" like you angry mob types like to hide behind. if zimmerman was paranoid would that mean he would just go shoot somebody? if so, why would that mean trayvon wouldn't do the same thing?

F#&^ this thread i'm out. too many people trying to dodge the blatant evidence to cling on to the "poor innocent 8th grader trayvon martin savagely hunted down and shot by the blood thirsty racist george zimmerman" THEORY (or made up bs speculation to put it bluntly).

have fun supporting the riots that happen when zim walks

reply to post by conspiracy nut

i was conceding that a PI or a cop or a security gaurd, private detective could follow someone around and it would be acceptable.

Acceptable to you.
The thing is, in this case, it doesn't matter what you think is acceptable. There is no law against following someone in a public place. There is no law against approaching someone and asking them questions. You may wish that things were different, you can go lobby for new more restrictive laws if you want them changed.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

You do not have to be a cop! You have this huge hangup in your brain, that seems to think you need a badge to prevent crime..... You do not have to have a badge, or piece of paper that tells you it is OK. Do what you can for your community, and your community will improve. Criminals are generally lazy, and will move to where people are cowards, and will not challenge their "superiority".

You do have to have a badge to arrest people to PREVENT a crime.

reply to post by Hardstepah


they're dropping like flies!! seriously dont freak out guys, its ok to have different opinions, lets have a civilized debate without resorting to name calling. lets try an not get so angry over this thread.