Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by popsmayhem

ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT.

Innocent of what? He killed an unarmed boy. it happened

Originally posted by popsmayhem

I don't know the name of every street
in my community. It is assinine to assume
zimmerman did also..

Also assinine of treyvon attacking zimmerman
first.

How big are the neighborhood watch zones in your neighborhood? Around here you have to memorize maybe 9, 10 whole street names. Is that hard?

Originally posted by DelMarvel
Zimmerman by all accounts is an overzealous wannabe cop

Maybe, but that does no automatically
make him a COLD BLOODED MURDERER
like the lot of people are tryng to make him out to be..

Hell I even thought zimmerman was this big bad bully
until I GOT TO KNOW THE TRUE STORY!!

ZIMMERMAN would of had no right shooting
treyvon if treyvon did not attack him first..

So whether zimmerman was wanting
to just kill himself a black boy
or if people in this thread just want to hang
them a hispanic like zimmerman, is
all just hearsay...

The fact is now that we have a eye witness who saw this happen which is not hearsay,
the fact it is zimmerman on the 9-11 tapes screaming
for help, the fact they use old pictures of treyvon to get a *he is just a little boy outrage response*,
the fact the MSM has been going on about white on
black crime trying to hang zimmerman, the fact
OBAMA opened his big mouth over this, THE FACT
treyvon attacked zimmerman first, the facts the MSM ARE LEAVING OUT,
ALL THOSE facts lead me to believe
ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT.

I STAND BY THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH IS HERE..

reply to post by rebellender

wouldnt the police know better than you and I

is that a serious question?

in case it is - please explain how it is that you trust the police so completely

if we could trust the police to determine guilt or innocence - why would we even need a judicial system?

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Also assinine of treyvon attacking zimmerman
first.

Asinine of you to keep saying that as if it were a fact and then defend Zimmerman by claiming no one knows the truth.

All right let's show the Character of these people

Trayvon: goods grades, good records in school, and no Priors

Zimmerman: Multiple annoyance calls to 9-11 (u don't call 9-11 for trash bags, read the police reports) and a domestic violence with his girlfriend, and then THIS

Zimmerman was arrested for battery on a law enforcement officer when he interfered during the arrest of one of his friends. The charge was later reduced to simple battery and Zimmerman entered a plea, which later allowed him to qualify for a concealed carry permit.

So who here on prior history thinks Trayvon was some gang-banger and Zimmerman was George Washington (cuz u know that guy never told a lie)

Edit: the op is why I wish we had downvoting on these boards

reply to post by Bigfoot12714

Innocent of what? He killed an unarmed boy. it happened

Come on, man….try and follow along.

Innocent of murder (crime) but guilty of self-defense (not a crime).

If I was sitting on your chest swelling your eyes closed you would have every right to shoot me in defense of your own life. The moral of the story here is – be careful who you attack…they just might shoot you.

Originally posted by rebellender

Originally posted by hapablab
you know what keeps bugging me, that phone call to the police when zimmerman said he looked suspicious and the operator told him not to follow the kid, to know that if zimmerman would of listened none of this would of happened. should of went the other way and let the police do the job.

we just dont know what would have happened if he had walked away.
Why was Martin there anyway?
This was Zimmerman's hood, he knew police response time.

all we have is what happened

I've been wondering also... Was cutting through that neighborhood on the way to his? was he visiting someone in that hood? what was he doing there? just curious because if he had no business there he might have been up to no good. Either way, I am not sure which side of the story to believe since not all the facts are out, and I am certain more will come to light as this progresses.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by DelMarvel
Zimmerman by all accounts is an overzealous wannabe cop

Maybe, but that does no automatically
make him a COLD BLOODED MURDERER
like the lot of people are tryng to make him out to be..

Hell I even thought zimmerman was this big bad bully
until I GOT TO KNOW THE TRUE STORY!!

ZIMMERMAN would of had no right shooting
treyvon if treyvon did not attack him first..

So whether zimmerman was wanting
to just kill himself a black boy
or if people in this thread just want to hang
them a hispanic like zimmerman, is
all just hearsay...

The fact is now that we have a eye witness who saw this happen which is not hearsay,
the fact it is zimmerman on the 9-11 tapes screaming
for help, the fact they use old pictures of treyvon to get a *he is just a little boy outrage response*,
the fact the MSM has been going on about white on
black crime trying to hang zimmerman, the fact
OBAMA opened his big mouth over this, THE FACT
treyvon attacked zimmerman first, the facts the MSM ARE LEAVING OUT,
ALL THOSE facts lead me to believe
ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT.

I STAND BY THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH IS HERE..

edit on 24-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

Forum should be closed after this statement.... You know the truth, and i do as well.... but unfortunately, These blood hungry humans want justice, but in my eyes and Gods eyes as well, justice has already been served... i hope that community can sleep better at night, knowing there is one less gang member looking in their windows at night!!! AMEN

from 1979 to 1983 I lived in Homestead Florida. We often would drive to Cutler Ridge to the Mall for movies and entertainment often stopping at red lights thugs would walk up to your car ( trapped in stopped traffic) if you didnt have a pistol showing you got robbed.

Gun Laws changed and concealed carry was legalized in early 80's this action slowed crime. Murder rates dropped. yopu have to think about the mind set of George Zimmerman before you pass judgement that he is guilty of Murder in the first degree

Originally posted by rebellender

there's nothing wrong with sympathy - it doesn't prove or disprove anything

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

 

so what are you trying to prove here?

I have stated my position loud and clear over and over again

what do you mean what am I trying to prove? :-)

nothing wrong with sympathy - and both sides are playing it for all it's worth

doesn't prove or disprove anything - like I said - this needs to go to trial. The facts of this case are all that matters - not your position - or mine

you keep making very bold, pandering statements - but you haven't actually said much of anything

you also aren't answering direct questions - so, stating your position loud in clear is about all you're doing

:-)

just sayin'

Originally posted by cdesigns
Here is your "Good Kid" Trayvon, he was in Sanford with his father because he was expelled from school for 10days, his family says is because he was skipping school but that's BS, 10 days is the maximum days you can be expelled and has to be for something worse than skipping school.

Actually that is BS because you are expelled for good, you are suspended for 10 days. You do not even have the basic facts right so how can you call BS? Hell you did not even get the simple English word right.

What about Zimmerman's injuries and signs of struggle? did he stage all that? cmon.....

What were the extent of those and where is the documentation on that?

Zimmerman is innocent

Then Martin was guilty? What of?

Why the news dont show this picture of him and others like it on his facebook? they keep showing his "14-15 year old pictures"

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Not sure. Probably the same reason that popsmayhem is using the picture of Zimmerman that makes him look like a thug as well as really showing off his fetal alcohol syndrome characteristics. Nice eyes! If they were any smaller and closer together he'd be a cyclops but yeah, he looks like a nice guy.

Originally posted by LErickson

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Also assinine of treyvon attacking zimmerman
first.

Asinine of you to keep saying that as if it were a fact and then defend Zimmerman

Well, witness testimony is the only
FACTS we have. What trayvons g/f says,
trayvons mother says, what the lawyers say,
all of what AL SHARPTON SAYS it is all hearsay..

The only fact we have now is witness testimony
that WAS THERE and DID see what happen...
The witness can attest that it is zimmerman being
attacked and screaming for help.. The hearsay
trayvons mom is saying is *it sounds like my son*
well sounded and it being are two TOTALLY
different things. One is hearsay, one is witness testimony..

If they had something on zimmerman they would of arrested
him. Zimmerman, the police, the witnesses, there not ALL lying..
NOT OPINION FACTS ^^^^^^


NOW
*My opinion here, the only ones in this for something now are, OBAMA, the big civil
rights black groups, the lawyers for treyvon and his family to make
them some money... They are the ones in on this trying to turn
this crisis into their own little political ploy A BIG kangaroo court circus,
a way to race divide and gun grab.

My biggest problem with this whole situation
is how the MSM HAS BEEN LYING and supressing
information since the beginning!!

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Bigfoot12714

 

Innocent of what? He killed an unarmed boy. it happened

Come on, man….try and follow along.

Innocent of murder (crime) but guilty of self-defense (not a crime).

If I was sitting on your chest swelling your eyes closed you would have every right to shoot me in defense of your own life. The moral of the story here is – be careful who you attack…they just my shoot you.

edit on 24-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

but isn't self defense defined by the weapons used? i.e. if a person has a lethal weapon you can use lethal force. Martin had no lethal weapons and was (according to Zimmermann) intoxicated. The question of self defense shouldn't even be raised

when a white guy gets shot by a black why, why are there not threads like this?
or is that ok nowadays?

These are the facts for the blind, this "proves" to the contrary like the OP was trying that it is more likely that Zimmerman "instigated" the altercation.

Here are the facts, Trayvon Martin lived in close proximity to where he was walking before his confrontation with Zimmerman. Also the neighborhood where Trayvon was confronted by Zimmmerman was almost identical to his own neighborhood, which was only a few blocks away. On top of that Trayvon Martin had only a pack of Skittles in his pocket and was unarmed….

In contrast to Zimmerman’s accounts of the incident, 911 calls made to Florida police just moments before the shooting, reveal several peculiar remarks made by Zimmerman only moments before the shooting. These remarks, caught on tape, hint Zimmerman actually shot Trayvon Martin for personal reasons other than self defense. This tape illustrates that Zimmerman himself was actually in pursuit of Trayvon Martin, as opposed to Trayvon Martin initiating the two’s deadly confrontation.

Can you not read OP?

Originally posted by popsmayhem
The fact is zimmerman is innocent
That is why zimmerman was not arrested because it was
known that zimmerman was attacked.. A DEAD MAN CAN
NOT ATTACK YOU, SO obviously trayvon as per say
of the g/f's hearsay phone call went to confront zimmerman
zimmerman was afraid for him life after being punched multiple
times as treyvon tried to take his gun, gun went off treyvon dead..
proof
The cops would of arrested zimmerman
if zimmerman did not have the bruises
and beats on his face. They have it documented
people came running out of there house cops
showed up within min. after the shooting
zimmerman had no time to wound himself
and the cut marks on treyvons hands prove
he punched zimmerman. putting zimmerman
in a position where he assumed his life was at risk..
Was zimmerman and treyvon acting not to smart
yes. If treyvon would of never hit zimmerman zimmerman
would not of shot him.

If Zimmerman would of left the kid alone and backed off, as police told him to do, the kid would be back home down in Miami and I'd be on another post...

Dude ran his mouth to a teenager and provoked the situation... got his butt beat by said teenager... had his pride shattered... shot the kid dead... period...

I don't care if the kid did beat him down. He was told to back off and didn't, confronted the teen, got his butt whooped...

What was the kid going to do kill him with Skittles and Iced Tea? He should of took the beating and called it a day. No reason to kill a human for your own stupid decisions...

Originally posted by SmArTbEaTz
If Zimmerman would of left the kid alone and backed off, as police told him to do, the kid would be back home down in Miami and I'd be on another post...

Police did not tell him to do anything..

A 9-11 armchair air conditioned room sitting
dispatcher is NOT A COP..

they have no authority to tell you what
to do or not anymore then another civilian..

All they have is a script to read off of..
If you always listen to the 9-11 dispatcher
you might find yourself dead because they will
tell you to not do nothing even if you have a gun
and some crazy man is pillaging through your house
while you cower in a closet on the phone with them
telling you to do nothing..

Treyvon had no right attacking zimmerman
zimmerman had every right to check out
the odd behavior coming from treyvon.
Since when did looking at someone
or saying hey what are you doing
warrant an ass whooping?
It never has been, and treyvon whooped up
on the wrong guy this time.
Treyvon is the agressor as say eye witness accounts
people who were there saw treyvon start the fight
putting zimmerman in a situation he thought his own
life was threatened

I love the community on ATS, but ...

I'm sorry, do you honestly expect me to believe that a skinny kid, on his phone no less, with no weapons on him, posed any threat to a man of such stature armed with a 9mm? You can hear him running after the kid, even after he was more or less told to stop.

If you have a car with you and you begin to feel threatened by someone, get in your f'ing car and drive AWAY. So threatened he was, that he got out of his car and chased the threat down?

He wasn't an official neighborhood watchman, he didn't belong to any known organization, the people in the neighborhood didn't even know him. He was self appointed, and is obviously paranoid. He blatantly used multiple stereotypes, not just racial in nature.

It's called neighborhood WATCH for a reason.

I listened to thirty-four minutes of 911 tapes, no one with a 9mm in hand during a fight would produce such a shrill scream, they'd produced a loud BANG, which is exactly what I heard then a second later the screaming ceases. So the shooter was screaming bloody murder as he fired the gun? That was a scream of fear, desperation and confusion, not of the man who had been recorded calmly plotting just a minute prior.

Plain and simple, chasing a person down and causing a confrontation that otherwise would not have happened will never be self defense, no matter how you try to stretch it. Even if the kid beat the crap out of him it still wouldn't justify the fact that he created the confrontation by approaching, following, chasing, and finally, shooting.

Now if it were you walking home and a very large man who had been following you starts to chase you, and catches up to you, and has a gun on his hip or in his hands, what exactly would you do?

Denying ignorance is key, but shame on anyone who agrees with the OP.

I'd sooner believe (no offense meant to any theorists) that an alien, disguised as Kim Kardashian, summoned by irresponsible HAARP usage, from the world in the center of the Earth, that came out of a stargate in Area 51, who is having an underground rave at the Reptilian lair with the starseed named Rick Santorum, while drawing NWO plans for world domination on an Etch-a-Sketch and being entertained by stage acts from Elvis and Michael Jackson, all while in cahoots with Kony, who is actually the illegitimate son of Obama and Osama, produced that scream, rather than it being George Zimmerman.

reply to post by SmArTbEaTz


zimmerman and the community is tired of getting robbed!!! This kid could have killed zimmerman! Does not matter if he only had skittles, these gangsters are capable of killing with their bare hands!! zimmerman hopefully has secured his community! One less thug on the streets!! millions more to go though