Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by blupblup

He went against police advice because he is a tool with a gun who thinks he's above the law.... he IS the law in his neighbourhood.

Since when is a 9-11 dispatcher a cop?

They have no legal authority over you
and can only suggest what to do from a script..

I didn't say the dispatcher was police... I said he went against police advice..... which is what happened.
The dispatcher will be working from a script DRAFTED/WRITTEN by the police or law officials.

Nobody had to die that night.

This moron was looking for trouble.

Seriously, defending this guys actions is like saying it's ok to run in front of moving vehicle, then shoot the driver to death because you felt threatened.

Zim engaged the individual, and ended up shooting him.

I don't see how that's self defense.

The OP has been pushing this angle since the very beginning, I wonder what his real motivation behind this thread is...

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by hapablab
I have had my share of phone calls to 911 about strange behavior, I live in Chicago, did I ever walk up to them NO I called the police and let them do what they are suppose to do.

Zimmerman is innocent
your being lied to..

zimmerman is the one screaming
on the 9-11 tapes

Yeah, so on the 911 tapes when Zimmerman calls the boy a "coon", we can just assume that Zimmerman's actions had little to do with the race of that boy, and he was not a racist overzealous lunatic looking for trouble.

OP...you need help. It is not SELF DEFENSE when you pursue and shoot someone down. That is murder.

I hope you don't have any children OP, god forbid they get murdered like this boy who you have dehumanized because of his skin color.

reply to post by Tharsis


OP is probably one of the stormfront dot org rejects that are polluting this website. Only scum like that would even try to push this angle.

These stormfronter loons have been barking about this race war stuff for years, yet they are the ones who are immersed in hatred.

Originally posted by Tharsis
Zim engaged the individual, and ended up shooting him.

I don't see how that's self defense.

Of course not because your not being
told the whole story as usual by the MSM..
If someone paranoid like treyvon
jumps out from behind a corner and starts
attacking you like happened here, you have every right
to stand your ground in florida. Zimmerman is getting
attacked, he did not know if treyvon had a gun.
Nicholas Lindsey Trial: Closing arguments underway in murder trial of Officer David Crawford
www.wtsp.com...
17 year old black teen is on trial for shooting
and killing a police officer, you can't tell me
jst because treyvon was 17 doesnt mean he
did not have a weapon.
Zimmerman was being attacked screaming for
help and was threatened for his life, he had every right
to stand his ground and shoot treyvon seeing how
treyvon was the aggressor as per say the witness accounts,
9-11 tapes, it was all self defense..

Do not believe the lies the MSM is feeding you

There is much more to the story than anyone would like to admit. Now everyone is jumping to conclusions about Zimmerman's alleged guilt or innocence in this whole matter. No one has the whole truth here until that comes out in a court of law (that is, if they allow all the evidence).

Some facts to consider: If Zimmerman had not pursued/stalked the kid as he was directed by 911, if he had stayed in his vehicle as he was told to do, then it would never have come to any physical confrontation between the two. The kid was unarmed and half Zimmerman's weight, and he would have been unable to assault Zimmerman if Zimmerman had stayed in his car. So by disregarding and disobeying the instructions of the 911 dispatcher and the police, Zimmerman put the kid's and potentially his own life at grave risk.

Seems to me Zimmerman is guilty of initiating this whole unfortunate turn of events by his blatant disregard for the law. It's one thing to keep an eye on someone while cooperating with and waiting for police to arrive. It's another to actually decide to take the law into one's own hands and confront the "suspicious" person. Zimmerman overstepped his boundaries.

Also, who is to say who actually initiated the assault? No one seems to have seen that part of it. Perhaps Zimmerman attacked the kid first, and the fight ensued as the kid tried to defend himself. The key witness only saw them as they were scuffling together down on the ground. There are always many sides to a story, and all sides must be taken into account to create a fuller picture of what may have actually happened.

Everyone should please stop jumping to conclusions about Zimmerman's intent or not to kill this boy until all the facts are on the table.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

If someone paranoid like treyvon
jumps out from behind a corner and starts
attacking you like happened here, you have every right
to stand your ground in florida.

What??

Where are you getting this crap from... pulling it out of your ass?

Sheesh...

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

I'm sorry but It's crap.


The kid had some sweets and a drink.


If Zimmerman was so threatened then shoot his legs, shoot to maim... not to kill.


The guy was wondering around thinking he was a bad--ass, neighbourhood watch tool, with a gun.

He's sees a black kid (must be up to no good right?) and goes to tackle him... even AFTER police told him not to.

Now kid is dead.

And this dick head is wandering around a free man.


What a load of BS

He may well have tried to "shoot to maim" tho?, hes not a trained solider is he? whats his record with fire arms does he go to clubs?

Thats the thing, he may well have been attacked after following this kid escorting him out the street, or the hood if you like, the kid is certainly capable of it with his record, he may well have lost his temper and fancied his chances against 5ft 8in zimmerman, i know i would and i was abit of a tear away at that age full of aggression & attitude,

So in the same light, He could go to prison for acting in self defense, until its proven otherwise i don't think any of you should be judging him or already passing sentence, personally i would be surprised if that where the case here, i think zimmerman was just acting brave and had a suspicions about this kid after "probably" stereotyping him to be so, which lead to a confrontation, just my opinion tho, i'm proper street wise me i'd put money on it

Originally posted by jesiaha
Imagine if this whole thing happened to your kid and some random facebook picture of him posing like a thug ended up on the news?

I don't have to imagine much - I have 4 sons and a couple of them have gotten in to trouble before, nothing major but still made themselves look pretty bad online. None of them ever wanted to look gangster but we did have to deal with the punk phase (there's glue still stuck on the bathroom floor to prove it).

I have to agree with Golf66: don't they have more recent school pictures of Trayvon? To me that is a misrepresentation of the persons involved and smacks of a deliberate effort to portray Mr. Martin as younger and more vulnerable.

I can't take anything the media says at face value anymore. There is an anti-gun lobby that is very powerful and sees this tragedy as an opportunity to push their agenda.

Since this whole case is being tried by the media there should at least be propaganda on both sides to keep some balance. Not that I agree with propaganda at all but since the cat's out of the bag so to speak both sides should have equal representation.

Did the police do a thorough job investigating this? We really don't know and it's very sad that justice in this country seems to depend on how much money or public influence one has.

reply to post by popsmayhem


I'm wondering if the OP realizes while he keeps touting "The police report this and the police witness said that" , if he is aware that the DOJ and the State of Florida are not just investigating this case. They are investigating the POLICE themselves. They are suspect THEMSELVES due to a HISTORY of cover ups , lies and corruption namely TELLING witnesses what they saw and heard as opposed to actually TAKING their statements.

So, maybe the OP should change his creepy profile pic to reflect his support of a corrupt police department.

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by jesiaha
I feel this thread kinda backpedaled with people bringing back the race issue....Zimmerman being half hispanic and having black family members and friends rules out the hate crime. People making it a race discussion are just fueling unecessary fire.

Well the POTUS is the one pouring gas on this fire my friend... agitator-in-chief you can take the boy out of Chicago but you cannot take Chicago out of the boy. Way to stir-up racial tensions to push an agenda - Thanks Barry.

Originally posted by jesiaha

I've given the picture issue a thought, there's no agenda behind the younger picture of Martin. Simply put, it was probably the most recent ''physical'' picture his parents could provide. Everything is digital now...any other recent pictures are probably Face book pictures. Now we all know how young people tend to pose and how those pictures are for the most part goofy.

Wow are you really going to go there -

1. if the Parents don't have a recent school photo for their kid they are not doing it right. I get one (actually two i think) a year. Nice posed shots from a professional. You know the ones that go in the yearbooks and on parental desks at work and on the walls home. Then again - this may say something... Perhaps the parents needed to be more engaged in his life?

2. If your kid's FB page looks and sounds like a thug nation recruiting poster - again you are doing it wrong. Sorry, you walk, talk, act and portray all outward appearances of a "gangster" in dress and manner - people will take you for one. Can't dress and act like a thug then cry foul when people perceive you as one. Again, where are the parents?

Originally posted by jesiaha

Imagine if this whole thing happened to your kid and some random face book picture of him posing like a thug ended up on the news?

It’s called parenting - I have a daughter, she doesn't pose like a thug, in skimpy clothing, a bathing suit, or PJ's for FB posts. She doesn't purse her lips and pretend to be slutty etc.... She knows better - it sends the wrong message.

She has some FB friends who have questionable posts sometimes - won't be at all surprised when they end up 16 and pregnant to be honest. You reap what you sow as far as your image in concerned.

Act a fool, people will treat you like one, act a slut same goes - act a thug...not a hard leap to make either.

Again - this culture that kids have nowadays in which they speak, dress and act like thugs then cry foul when people perceive them as such astonishes me.

You have good points, I didn't think about it from a parenting perspective as I don't have kids. I simply wanted to state my opinion about the picture issue

aside from that... How much self-defense IS ''self-defense'' when you look for trouble?

Right Pops?

If Zimmerman gets away with nothing with the whole debacle, what message do you send to society?
That people can go around looking for trouble playing vigilante with guns instead of letting cops do their job and get away with it when things turn sour?

You seem to have omitted the statesments where numerous people complained about Zimmerman's aggressive tactic while performing his....ahem...rent a cop job.

And how do you know Martin intended to kill him?....Because he said so?
Well of course he's going to say that

reply to post by popsmayhem


TIME STAMPS blow your defense right out of the water.

reply to post by WarriorOfTheLight


What record?

who is the one that is dead? for no reason other than in Zimmermans eyes looking suspicious... also, I don't believe Trayvon was the attacker. I think Trayvon was trying to defend himself.

reply to post by blupblup


BREAKING NEWS POP

ABC News is reporting that Trayvon HIMSELF made a 911 call which has been RECORDED and you can here your buddys voice in the background. So, I look forward to your THOUGHTS on that when it comes out since you are sooooooooo vocal.

So one "witness" comes forward and says he was attacked? The lady who's backyard Martin was killed in says otherwise. Your telling me I couldn't roll on the ground and punch myself in the face and say it was self defense?

Come on...

FACTS:

Zimmerman was armed
Zimmerman was pursuing Martin
Zimmerman went against dispatches advice to stop pursuing Martin
Zimmerman was the aggressor in this situation
Martin was unarmed
Martins father lived in the neighborhood

Everything else is hearsay. Martin sold drugs? Prove it. Did he have drugs on him the night he was murdered? No. Martin was a "big scary tall black kid with a hoodie"!! So what, it was Zimmerman calling him a "coon" on 911. Obviously Zimmerman wanted to play cop here. And now a 17 year old kid is dead.

And whats the worst part? People DEFENDING this shooting because Martin was a black kid with a troubled past. Ok.. I guess that makes murder ok. How about this. What if Martin managed to grab away the gun and Zimmerman was the one dead right now. Martin would be locked up right? Yup.

reply to post by DerekJR321


And lets not forget that BOTH of Zimmermans parents have a history of employment in the COURT system. Dad is a lawyer and Mom worked or works in COURT RECORDS.

Originally posted by vengelme
who is the one that is dead?

Treyvon is only dead because he attacked
the wrong guy this time..

He attacked an armed man, and that
will be the last man he ever tries to ruff up.

dbl